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OTF Premium Thoughts on Arch Manning
diegozanna20 replied to Gerry Hamilton's topic in On Texas Football Forum
There we go with the overreactions, the fact you're even thinking this lets me know you're being too emotional about this loss. Yeah let's completely deminsh the confidence of a young QB making his first road game start for an unproven senior that played at temple, surely he'll handle better the 110 thousand fans screaming and the nation calling for him to be inducted in the HOF before playing a meaningful snap. What a frustrating fan base we are. How the hell is he supposed to learn to play in an enviroment like this if we pull him? How is supposed to know what failure and disappointement feels like when you've let your team down if you pull him? Don't wanna make generalizations but Peyton wouldn't have become the player he was if they benched him in his first season with the colts. THE KID HAS GOT TO LEARN, LET HIM LEARN. Like @Gerry Hamilton said, he'll get better, we just have to wait and see how much and how long that'll take. The talent is there, he's gotta turn the easy stuff into automatics and get as much reps as possible to make the game slow down. One last thing: if there's something constant within Arch's game is improvement. Whether it's throughout a game or after a game he's always made improvements. Have faith. -
The bigger concern is arch and his throwing motion change. If his issue is that he loses his mechanics when nervous, he’s done. That’s a death knell for any qb. That’s the entire thing for me. It simply can’t be his kryptonite. If it truly is, you’d have to move on. It’s the equivalent of a kicker’s yips. The problem is he had decent time more often than not. It was almost he was trying to win the game with each throw. The real issue will be if arch has a permanent mental thing in games, we’re cooked because there’s zero chance sark benches him. What is super concerning for me is that maybe we now know why arch wasn’t put in last year for a 50% injured quinn. This is what has me thinking it’s not a one game thing. Yesterday wasn’t a qb struggling against this elite defense. OSU will lose games this year if the other team can score. The defense was okay. We were worse than they were good. Hell, aggies using lsu reed would have scored more yesterday. Something bigger feels off to me and I don’t normally leave bad games like this. Maybe it’s as simple as arch did this to arch vs the defense dictating it. Sark trying to mask it with they were elite at disguising coverage still is insufficient. With the exception of 2 drives late, his mechanics and throws were off all game regardless of coverage or pressure. Yeesh!
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Your list has contradictions - for example, Saban doesn’t belong in the first category, he left the NFL because he couldn’t cut it. Also, Charlie Strong in 3? Did you watch the 2010’s? Which underlies the problem of your list, there are “tweeners.” Sark is probably a tweener between your “categories” 2 & 3.
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Arch is a better runner when in space. Give him and option receiver like the Silas Bolden play last year. He also did it with CJ yesterday for an extra 3 yds
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Third group on the list until he proves otherwise
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Where does Sark belong?
Texas fan in Georgia replied to Forrest J.'s topic in On Texas Football Forum
He belongs in the same category as James Franklin. -
OTF Premium Thoughts on Arch Manning
HookemChappy replied to Gerry Hamilton's topic in On Texas Football Forum
Hard to blame Sark for being a bad play caller when he had to play one dimensional offense and Patricia was over there salivating because he knew Arch couldn’t hit a building from 10ths out. Heck Arch even skipped a screen. -
Don’t Over think it? I’ve formulated this opinion over 30 years of observation. Sark has head coached 136 games in college. I think that’s more than enough data to put him in one of the categories. If you disagree, that’s fine, it’s subjective… but over thinking? Nah…
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The Game was ours for the taking…
LonghornFan4Ever replied to Chop's topic in On Texas Football Forum
Need more sacks, forced fumbles, and interceptions I agree with that. Still worried about Gilbeau and Muhammad. We won’t know how much they’ve really improved until early October. -
OTF Premium Thoughts on Arch Manning
HookemChappy replied to Gerry Hamilton's topic in On Texas Football Forum
This. Arch refused to hit his check down. Couldn’t hit Moore! Didn’t know he had a great TE. Long ball Arch is going to kill us when defenses sit back. They now have tape that says the can sit back 15yds. Cause Arch is going to go long ball hunting. The good thing is that he can learn from this. -
The Game was ours for the taking…
LonghornFan4Ever replied to Chop's topic in On Texas Football Forum
A play action bootleg would’ve been sweet -
OTF Premium Thoughts on Arch Manning
HookemChappy replied to Gerry Hamilton's topic in On Texas Football Forum
Not really conjecture. He was way off. If it would not have crushed his spirit, I was calling for Caldwell to come in. -
The View from the Cheap Seats-tOSU The Stage was Too Big Same story, different season for Sark and the Horns. When matched against similar talent and coaching staffs, Sark reverted to form and turtled up. The hype and the pressure was clearly too much for Sark, Arch, and the offense. The same things we saw against Georgia twice last year and Ohio State in the playoffs: dumb penalties, turnovers (well, just 1), the same abandoning of creative play calling. On the positive side of the ledger, the D came to play. This team will go as far as the D carries us in 2025, which isn’t a bad thing. Now in his 5th season at TEXAS, Sark has one win over an equally manned, equally coached team, and that was Bama on the road 2 years ago. Don’t worry, the hype machine will crank back up as TEXAS now faces 3 tomato cans in a row, then a bye week before a road trip to play the Gators. Gators are a good team but not in the Buckeye’s league. All 3 games at home where the stats can be padded and for everyone to forget letting victory escape in Ohio. Props to tOSU, they were the better team and outcoached the Horns. Glass half empty Let us open the Cheap Seats with our frustrations. And we’ll start with Sark’s largely inept play calling. Where was the motion? Against a top-flight D, where was the misdirection? Why did we not use scheme and formation to put them off balance? Or down in the Red Zone, where we failed to score a point on 2 drives? Not scoring Red Zone TDs cost us the SEC and National titles last year and clearly still an issue. Our lone TD pass came from outside the Red Zone, FYI. We do NOT fault Sark for going for it on either 4th down. Honestly, did anyone know we were not going to QB sneak the ball from the 1-foot line? We do fault all eight of our play calls, each of which played into the strength of their D. Sark did run the TE screen and it worked great. Worked so well he never used the play again. No way to spin it, Sark continues to come up short on the biggest of stages. We expect he takes a 1-loss team between the hedges with another crack at Georgia. The good news is that this team will be more battle-tested. Sark’s grade for the offensive game plan is a D. Not unlike the last game with tOSU, we had the chance to win, but we failed to execute/play our best. Bombs away on 1st down is back, putting the Horns behind the chains. Our offensive line remains a bit of a work in progress. Not unexpected. The defensive grade is a A-, the minus due to the lack of pass rush we put on their 1st time starting QB. For the first time since 2014, the #1 team in the nation was shut out in the first half, an ignominious distinction the Horns now own. We have always told it like it is in the Cheap Seats; we saw why Arch was not the starter last year. We felt sorry for the kid; he didn't have a good game by any stretch. He will learn from this, he will grow from this. And last on the list were the mistakes. It seemed that every time we did something right, we would get penalized by TOSU. We had two false starts (more problems from last year) and gifted the Bucks their TD drive. We were lining up to take the punt when a personal foul occurred, giving them a 1st down on the 1st TD drive. Kinda hard to miss when you rip the defender's helmet off. Buckeyes countered with a clean game. Glass half full Coach K and the defense. We’d have bet the house had you told us we’d hold them to 14 points. This team goes as deep into the playoffs as Coach K and crew will carry us. How good was the TEXAS D you ask? tOSU only crossed the 50 twice in the game. The two shining stars of the D were the transfer defensive tackles who had a great game and true freshman Graceson Littleton. Where did he come from? No wonder Coach Akina wanted to come back to add to DB-U’s . Smith was the best player in the nation? Coach K and company said “we’ll play him every week”. Shut down again by Coach K. The leading returning rusher in the SEC picked up where he left off from last season. Tre Wisner racked up 80 yards against a tough tOSU front and ran HARD. Speaking of running backs, Cedric Baxter showed us why he has been hyped. Welcome back after losing back-to-back seasons to brutal knee injuries. And we should mention, a key block on a blitzing LB that appeared to have a straight shot to Arch until Ced stonewalled him. The block led to one of the best completions of the day for Arch-to-Livingstone, a combo we think we hear often the next two seasons. TE Jack Endries, our transfer from Cal, with 50 yards to lead all pass catchers, and True Sophomore WR Paker Livingstone flashed with a great TD grab. Not surprising given the reports on the two of them coming out of Fall drills. Hello punting game. We love Aussie punters. Arch was intercepted. Why is that good? Get it out of the way. Arch’s early Heisman hype is done. Why is that good? It’s about winning, not awards. Team #1 ranking is gone. Why is that good? From #1, no place to go but down. Now they can focus on climbing back up. Make no mistake, this team was always going to be better in November than September. Not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, all the makings of a great season are ahead of the Horns. Net Net Largely, a speed bump on the way to the playoffs. TEXAS will lose its #1 ranking, so what? Not a conference game, so it does not impact a shot at automatically qualifying for the playoffs. It does cut the margin of error pretty dramatically as the Horns now have a “game to give” if the playoffs are the goal. Short of winning the conference, 3-loss teams don’t make the playoffs. Miss the playoffs, and it would be hard not to describe the season as anything but a failure given the hype. Offensive Player of the Game: Tre Wisner had an excellent game against a tough defense. TEXAS now knows it can run the ball. 80 yards on 16 carries with a 5 ypc average. Against a good D, we’ll take it. Defensive Player of the Game Graceson Littleton announced his presence with authority. Special teams player of the Game Punter Jack Bouwmeester pinned the Buckeyes inside their 10 twice and made sure TEXAS won the field position battle. Stats that Matter 5-14 on 3rd down-not our standard on offense 1-5 on 4th down-with these stats, not shocked we lost 3-12 on 3rd down-OUTSTANDING by the D stuffing tOSU drives, Championship football 6-50 Penalties, the worst part, many of them bailed tOSU out and kept their drives alive On Deck Texas has a home date against the San Jose State Spartans to release some of their frustrations. We hope we do not see Arch on a called rush in the game; that we work on the run game, and we work on getting Arch in a rhythm early. With 2 more tomato cans on deck after the Spartans, we’d love to see Arch give way in the middle of the 3rd, but hope he doesn't take a 4th-quarter snap in the month of September. These next three games should be games we get a great deal of reps for 2nd and 3rd level players, we will need as the season continues. If you look at the season in thirds, we face Florida on the road after the bye, then the RRW before road trips to Kentucky and Mississippi State, before facing Vanderbilt at DKR, the middle of the season. It will be a tough road stretch against teams we should beat, but none of them are tomato cans. Then a bye week before Georgia on the road, and the close of the season. Game Highlights (low lights) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcGN5jyC2yM
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If I’m not mistaken, 2020 was the year Herman hired Mike Yurcich to call plays on offense. Two things: it was a COVID season, so not sure how many teams were able to properly install their defensive schemes. 69 of their points came from the K-State game the week after Texas missed the Big 12 title game due to losing to ISU. It is alarming the ppg output is on a downtrend no doubt. The ypg looks pretty, but if you can’t score points, it doesn’t mean much.
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To some degree those are Sarks fault. We continue to have OL penalties that kill us. Wingos penalty killed us. Overall we played better than OSU in many categories but lost in penalties and turnovers. We lost the games. No play calling solves this. RZ issues. I wouldn’t have trusted Arch to throw anything. Patricia knew that Sark had to run the ball. Really made being a DC easy when the offense was one dimensional.
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OTF Premium Thoughts on Arch Manning
mcwast replied to Gerry Hamilton's topic in On Texas Football Forum
i’ve been splitting hairs on play calls and arch throwing weird fastballs since the final whistle, but despite all of that, the game came down to the fact that their one sustained drive ended in the paint and ours didn’t. we made a bunch of mistakes and left a ton on the field, and lost by a score on the road against #3. pisses me off, but it could have been worse.