I gotta nitpick you Bobby and Gerry

[Orngblud05]

I love you guys, and hopefully you take this as a couple of guys sitting at a bar having a sports debate, but…

you guys knew lagway wasn’t going to play. You knew they were banged up on defense. Yet you still said 24-13 and 34-17 (or some such).  Then you get on this morning say “eh, they did what they were supposed to do.”  “Too many back foot throws”. Etc. 

Without 2 on the money drops by Moore, Quinn’s stat line is 400+ yards and 7TD’s in just over a half.  I saw one back foot throw that wasn’t a swing pass which you could argue was a perfect back shoulder throw to Golden.  (You could also argue that was an inaccurate deep throw that Golden made good on) Texas could have scored 100 yesterday had they wanted to.  
 

so 2 things, I think Bobby specifically, you are dismissing the injury to Quinn having a material impact on the first couple games back., and Gerry, I’m not sure what else to say.  what is the standard for Quinn when he puts up a stat line like that and we are still meh, it was fine…  Not asking for sunshine pumping and you have your reasons but the slant on this 8-1 team who will be #3 is overly negative IMO. No team has played perfectly to this point.

My 2 cents.  Hook em

[Gerry Hamilton]

All good. It’s what makes this fun and interesting 

Quinn is what he is at this point for me. 

He’s a very good QB without pressure on him, which was yesterday. Elite in the intermediate game.

The game Saturday wasn’t going to bring out his issue. He’s not a high-level QB playing in the pocket under duress. Will A&M being the lone team remaining to be able to apply that level of pressure? We shall see 

[Orngblud05]

That’s fair but thought yesterday was more than meh.  I don’t necessarily disagree with you but would have liked to see a healthy Quinn vs Georgia.  Hopefully he has the chance to prove you wrong down the road, and does.  It’s a fair critique. 

[David Latiolais]

I will also argue about how Texas runs the ball. I watched Florida and Mississippi run the ball against Georgia between the Tackles and have success. George has to much speed to think you can run outside against them. You can run at LB #11, but if he is on the edge no way. Texas OL can wear down a DL, and have a lot of running yardage in the 4th qt. Even with Blue and Tray. TX gives up to soon on the run, or just refused to even try. My opinion. Thanks

[David Latiolais]

Trey? 

[Gerry Hamilton]

I don’t want this to turn into a poop on Quinn thread …

But he simply has to play at higher level against pressure the remainder of the season for Texas to have a shot to maximize 

I’ve thought about the Georgia game a lot on the road driving around the last couple of weeks… I can’t recall a coach having to pull a third year starting QB projected to be a first round pick prior to the season for that poor level of play before, let alone in the second biggest game of his career

I I hope Quinn plays at a higher level in College Station, because the Aggies will put him under duress

I also hope his camp is looking at his reality right now. Forget all the overhyped QB instructor BS (that a generational QB works with as a PRO), and get on a jump rope, mini trampoline every day, boxing workouts and play tennis … Quinn’s sink or swim in the NFL will be his maximizing his reactive ability in the pocket

Every week in the NFL is the Georgia game 

[Orngblud05]

3 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

I don’t want this to turn into a poop on Quinn thread …

But he simply has to play at higher level against pressure the remainder of the season for Texas to have a shot to maximize 

I’ve thought about the Georgia game a lot on the road driving around the last couple of weeks… I can’t recall a coach having to pull a third year starting QB projected to be a first round pick prior to the season for that poor level of play before, let alone in the second biggest game of his career

I I hope Quinn plays at a higher level in College Station, because the Aggies will put him under duress

I also hope his camp is looking at his reality right now. Forget all the overhyped QB instructor BS (that a generational QB works with as a PRO), and get on a jump rope, mini trampoline every day, boxing workouts and play tennis … Quinn’s sink or swim in the NFL will be his maximizing his reactive ability in the pocket

Every week in the NFL is the Georgia game 

You are right, and it’s fair to think that.  I’m just a little different in that we saw an exceptionally high level from him for 2.5 games. Then he came back and regressed. Was that the injury or has he really not made the progress we thought?  I’m just saying credit should be given where it’s deserved.  He was pretty damn phenomenal yesterday, not perfect.  Let’s celebrate that instead of comparing against 1/1 in the draft. 
 

IF (underline and in bold) we get that Quinn the rest of the way we’ll be alright. 

[Gerry Hamilton]

For sure! Good convo 

He's not taken the third year starting step expected to this point, for me. I thought he might be on that track after Michigan game, but he hasn't since the injury for sure. 

For his NFL draft status, I believe he needs to turn in a quality performance at Texas A&M, and hopefully in the playoffs. It would be great for Quinn and Texas if he went in the first round (and the NFL draft does push up QB's). 

 

[Austalgia]

I think the thing is expectations rose when he played so well at Michigan.  Then he stopped doing some of those things. The regression made people nervous. Not necessarily for the present, but for what it takes to win championships.  Just like Carson Becks interceptions didn’t bite him right away, but they were going to at some point (Ole Miss); Ewers lack of pocket presence and giving short fields and stalled drives with sacks will come back to bite the team when we are playing a better team later (and bit us with Georgia, that was a winnable game). This team can win with Quinn distributing to talent, but if he could win games himself as well, we would be in a tier above the parody we now see in CF. No one is mad at his average depth of target, but the argument is that that is not a testament to Quinn’s talent, rather him being a distributor.  When that doesn’t work, like what happened against Georgia, can he step up and go off script and get you a game.  

Edited November 10 by Austalgia

[Gerry Hamilton]

6 minutes ago, Austalgia said:

I think the thing is expectations rose when he played so well at Michigan.  Then he stopped doing some of those things. The regression made people nervous. Not necessarily for the present, but for what it takes to win championships.  Just like Carson Becks interceptions didn’t bite him right away, but they were going to at some point (Ole Miss); Ewers lack of pocket presence and giving short fields and stalled drives with sacks will come back to bite the team when we are playing a better team later (and bit us with Georgia, that was a winnable game). This team can win with Quinn distributing to talent, but if he could win games himself as well, we would be in a tier above the parody we now see in CF. No one is mad at his average depth of target, but the argument is that that is not a testament to Quinn’s talent, rather him being a distributor.  When that doesn’t work, like what happened against Georgia, can he step up and go off script and get you a game.  

Strong post. Agree 100%

[Austalgia]

35 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

I don’t want this to turn into a poop on Quinn thread …

But he simply has to play at higher level against pressure the remainder of the season for Texas to have a shot to maximize 

I’ve thought about the Georgia game a lot on the road driving around the last couple of weeks… I can’t recall a coach having to pull a third year starting QB projected to be a first round pick prior to the season for that poor level of play before, let alone in the second biggest game of his career

I I hope Quinn plays at a higher level in College Station, because the Aggies will put him under duress

I also hope his camp is looking at his reality right now. Forget all the overhyped QB instructor BS (that a generational QB works with as a PRO), and get on a jump rope, mini trampoline every day, boxing workouts and play tennis … Quinn’s sink or swim in the NFL will be his maximizing his reactive ability in the pocket

Every week in the NFL is the Georgia game 

So right. That’s what I was arguing weeks ago about the NFL.  Everyone then was popping on the Oline (and they should play better), but if you watched closely the play where Kelvin Banks battles at the goaline with that crazy good Defensive end ( forgot his name, and please no one  remind me, don’t want to remember) That was a positive play for Banks. He was sliding and punching with that guy at a speedy athletic level. Guarantee that will be a positive play in his film.  But everyone was saying how even Kelvin Banks gave up a sack. If you watch an NFL game that is what the rush looks like everytime.  It’s a coming ! And you have to step up or get rid of the ball every time.  Not hating on Quinn, quite the opposite, wish him all success, but he has to produce that before going to the NFL.   

 

Edited November 10 by Austalgia

[rgvhorn80]

Quinn hasn’t proven to be an elite QB period.

[HornsUpThumbsDown]

Think CJ being hurt this season had a big impact on the overall health of the offense. From blitz pick-up, to running the ball with consistency etc. fact is that no one will load the box on Texas because they aren’t scared of the run. Will play two safeties sometimes three which makes life difficult for ANY qb in the country. 
 

[Orngblud05]

1 hour ago, Austalgia said:

I think the thing is expectations rose when he played so well at Michigan.  Then he stopped doing some of those things. The regression made people nervous. Not necessarily for the present, but for what it takes to win championships.  Just like Carson Becks interceptions didn’t bite him right away, but they were going to at some point (Ole Miss); Ewers lack of pocket presence and giving short fields and stalled drives with sacks will come back to bite the team when we are playing a better team later (and bit us with Georgia, that was a winnable game). This team can win with Quinn distributing to talent, but if he could win games himself as well, we would be in a tier above the parody we now see in CF. No one is mad at his average depth of target, but the argument is that that is not a testament to Quinn’s talent, rather him being a distributor.  When that doesn’t work, like what happened against Georgia, can he step up and go off script and get you a game.  

That’s kind of what I’m saying thought. We saw it, then he got hurt and we didn’t see it after. I think the injury held him back mentally, physically or both. So I don’t ding him for that. I

yesterday may not have been the best test but it was a damn good sight to see and gives us hope that he’s back to what we saw at the beginning of the year. 

[Austalgia]

14 minutes ago, Orngblud05 said:

That’s kind of what I’m saying thought. We saw it, then he got hurt and we didn’t see it after. I think the injury held him back mentally, physically or both. So I don’t ding him for that. I

yesterday may not have been the best test but it was a damn good sight to see and gives us hope that he’s back to what we saw at the beginning of the year. 

You’re right, something happened since Michigan, maybe the injury lingers or it’s mental,  and can’t fault a kid for that.  However, while yesterday’s raw stats might elude to Quinn being back, most of the plays were distributing the ball to elite athletes. Again, that is fine, but it’s not a sign he’s back.  Throwing over the middle and the seam more accurately, maneuvering the pocket, setting his feet and throwing the deep ball would be a sign that he’s back.  That didn’t happen to a great extent.  Now the Deandre Moore ball was good and dropped, I’ll give him that. It has yet to be seen that when the screen game isn’t working can he pass is to a victory.  Not that he has to impress or prove himself to us, but looking at the stats closer it doesn’t say that Quinn has gotten over whatever he is going through. 

Edited November 10 by Austalgia

[Orngblud05]

9 minutes ago, Austalgia said:

You’re right, something happened since Michigan, maybe the injury lingers or it’s mental,  and can’t fault a kid for that.  However, while yesterday’s raw stats might elude to Quinn being back, most of the plays were distributing the ball to elite athletes. Again, that is fine, but it’s not a sign he’s back.  Throwing over the middle and the seam more accurately, maneuvering the pocket, setting his feet and throwing the deep ball would be a sign that he’s back.  That didn’t happen to a great extent.  Now the Deandre Moore ball was good and dropped, I’ll give him that. It has yet to be seen that when the screen game isn’t working can he pass is to a victory.  Not that he has to impress or prove himself to us, but looking at the stats closer it doesn’t say that Quinn has gotten over whatever he is going through. 

I mean, maybe.  But go back as far as you need to go and show me a better 33 minutes of game action than 75% completion, 400 yards and 7 td’s (this assumes Moore catches both balls he dropped). Just doesn’t happen often.  If someone wants to nitpick mechanics be my guest. 

Edited November 10 by Orngblud05

[4thandFive]

2 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

I don’t want this to turn into a poop on Quinn thread …

But he simply has to play at higher level against pressure the remainder of the season for Texas to have a shot to maximize 

I’ve thought about the Georgia game a lot on the road driving around the last couple of weeks… I can’t recall a coach having to pull a third year starting QB projected to be a first round pick prior to the season for that poor level of play before, let alone in the second biggest game of his career

I I hope Quinn plays at a higher level in College Station, because the Aggies will put him under duress

I also hope his camp is looking at his reality right now. Forget all the overhyped QB instructor BS (that a generational QB works with as a PRO), and get on a jump rope, mini trampoline every day, boxing workouts and play tennis … Quinn’s sink or swim in the NFL will be his maximizing his reactive ability in the pocket

Every week in the NFL is the Georgia game 

Could he conceivably transfer and spend one more year? Or is he gone to NFL no matter what? 

[Austalgia]

1 minute ago, Orngblud05 said:

I mean, maybe.  But go back as far as you need to go and show me a better 33 minutes of game action than 75% completion, 400 yards and 7 td’s (this assumes Moore catches both balls he dropped). Just doesn’t happen often.  If someone wants to nitpick mechanics be my guest. 

I probably should rewatch 1st, but it’s not just the mechanics.  The play calling was elite, and Quinn executed it like he should have.  So, there’s that.  And that is all he can do, but when the pocket was a little sketchy, he can’t handle it. His completions were screens and short scripted passes.  That’s fine, just doesn’t say he’s back to pre injury status. And.. again he didn’t have to be.  We won, I’m happy with that.  

[Gerry Hamilton]

42 minutes ago, HornsUpThumbsDown said:

Think CJ being hurt this season had a big impact on the overall health of the offense. From blitz pick-up, to running the ball with consistency etc. fact is that no one will load the box on Texas because they aren’t scared of the run. Will play two safeties sometimes three which makes life difficult for ANY qb in the country. 
 

Agree with you 100%. Baxter is one hell of an all-around RB ... knew the protection, blitz pickup and entire playbook in very short order - rare for a freshman RB. 

[CHorn427]

I do think this was the best Quinn’s looked since Michigan, personally. He threw some nice over the shoulder balls that I think have been missing. And he looked like he was more willing to step into throws. 

[GDI]

1 hour ago, 4thandFive said:

Could he conceivably transfer and spend one more year? Or is he gone to NFL no matter what? 

Interesting.  

I never thought of that but could be a possibility depending on what his draft grade is.  Arch has to be the guy next year and if Quen's draft grade is low he could have a decision to make. I don't think he is ready for the NFL because of his pocket awareness and lack of strength under duress in the pocket,  he'll get killed in the NFL.  He has a good enough arm,  but not a lot of instinct of how to extend plays.  

[horns96]

5 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

I don’t want this to turn into a poop on Quinn thread …

But he simply has to play at higher level against pressure the remainder of the season for Texas to have a shot to maximize 

I’ve thought about the Georgia game a lot on the road driving around the last couple of weeks… I can’t recall a coach having to pull a third year starting QB projected to be a first round pick prior to the season for that poor level of play before, let alone in the second biggest game of his career

I I hope Quinn plays at a higher level in College Station, because the Aggies will put him under duress

I also hope his camp is looking at his reality right now. Forget all the overhyped QB instructor BS (that a generational QB works with as a PRO), and get on a jump rope, mini trampoline every day, boxing workouts and play tennis … Quinn’s sink or swim in the NFL will be his maximizing his reactive ability in the pocket

Every week in the NFL is the Georgia game 

Again, you’re completely ignoring the injury.  

[HornsUpThumbsDown]

5 hours ago, GDI said:

Interesting.  

I never thought of that but could be a possibility depending on what his draft grade is.  Arch has to be the guy next year and if Quen's draft grade is low he could have a decision to make. I don't think he is ready for the NFL because of his pocket awareness and lack of strength under duress in the pocket,  he'll get killed in the NFL.  He has a good enough arm,  but not a lot of instinct of how to extend plays.  

 No way he’s going to the league 

[pack.swear]

10 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

All good. It’s what makes this fun and interesting 

Quinn is what he is at this point for me. 

He’s a very good QB without pressure on him, which was yesterday. Elite in the intermediate game.

The game Saturday wasn’t going to bring out his issue. He’s not a high-level QB playing in the pocket under duress. Will A&M being the lone team remaining to be able to apply that level of pressure? We shall see 

This is a totally fair criticism of Quinn, but I want to point out that for a really long time, this was a criticism of CJ Stroud. Now, I'm not trying to compare the two because CJ is a monster, but for most of his college career, the question was what he could do out of the structure when teams could pressure him. It wasn't until the Georgia game that he took over and made huge plays with his legs. I think it's not unreasonable to say that Quinn could do the same. We've seen him have big plays with his legs (Baylor last year, Kansas last year, he made some plays with his legs against Michigan). For me, it's just, coming down the stretch, can he elevate his play to include all of the different skills he may possess? 

[Alex Butler]

7 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Agree with you 100%. Baxter is one hell of an all-around RB ... knew the protection, blitz pickup and entire playbook in very short order - rare for a freshman RB. 

Big loss with CJ for sure. The running game issues seem more and more to be on the backs than the o line. Watching Gibson run yesterday he was able to run inside and follow blocking like we’ve seen the past few years here.  Blue and Wisner are really athletic guys but both seem to lack the rb vision to attack the holes seriously or the depth of knowledge to read and react to where the defense is flowing during a play. Wisner is getting better but Blue just doesn’t seem to get it. I don’t think we couldn’t run the ball against Georgia because we don’t have a good O line. I think it’s the backs are too inexperienced and are a liability in big games with quality defenses. The games where UGA struggles are when teams establish and continue to develop the run game. I think sometimes we’re too worried about getting our QB going early and not concerned enough about getting our O line going. Tony Hills spoke to that this week on coffee and football. When you run block and play physical early it provides more umph to pass protection. Quinn didn’t play well against UGA, but us not being able to run the ball forced us to be one dimensional and allowed for Feorgia to tee off and exploit our tendencies in pass protection. Heck the Jets didn’t same thing to CJ Stroud a couple of weeks ago. No one is saying he’s trash or that their I line is a joke. It’s time for the offense to buckle up look at the man across the line and blow them off the ball. Impose our will, and we will break theirs. We have the talent and we have the strength. Gotta get it done. Pass protection doesn’t matter when you run the ball. If we had leaned on that early against Georgia and played field position a little bit we would’ve been able to weather the storm, allow Quinn to adjust, and figure out a counter to their defense. Instead it seems like we’ve been coming out trying to land books and upper cuts for the knockout in the first round instead of working the body and jabbing their defense. Work the body and you don’t let them breathe then those haymakers are easier to throw and land.