Something to get off my chest

[ThatHornsGuy87]

I'll be the first to say I've been critical of Quinn at times. My brother can attest to that lol. Is Quinn perfect? Not by a long shot, but he's still a damn good qb. Quinn isn't Mahommes or Lamar. Never has been and never will be. Quinn needs structure, he needs the rest of the offense to do their jobs. The oline crapping the bed last night, Bond having a ball hit him in the hands and chest and just stand there while the corner tracked the ball.

We can win it all with him. It just requires everyone else doing their part. The dumb penalties. Wasted downs on bad play calls. The refs were astonishingly bad last night. Just do your jobs and take them out of the game.  

Everywhere I look it's Arch is the guy, Quinn hampers the team. Arch is still going to need everyone else to do their jobs. People have to quit thinking Arch fixes everything. 

[Hank Kingsley]

Arch fixes a lot though. His ability to move out of the pocket and run means you can still move the chains on plays where everyone isn't doing their job. 

 

[ThatHornsGuy87]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Arch fixes a lot though. His ability to move out of the pocket and run means you can still move the chains on plays where everyone isn't doing their job. 

 

Archs mobility doesn't fix that. Can it help? Sure but doesn't erase drops, or an oline that can't get push in the run game even with double teams. Quinn climbed the pocket to escape quit a few times last night, and the line was called for holding. Same thing would have happened with Arch.

[HornsUpThumbsDown]

3 hours ago, ThatHornsGuy87 said:

I'll be the first to say I've been critical of Quinn at times. My brother can attest to that lol. Is Quinn perfect? Not by a long shot, but he's still a damn good qb. Quinn isn't Mahommes or Lamar. Never has been and never will be. Quinn needs structure, he needs the rest of the offense to do their jobs. The oline crapping the bed last night, Bond having a ball hit him in the hands and chest and just stand there while the corner tracked the ball.

We can win it all with him. It just requires everyone else doing their part. The dumb penalties. Wasted downs on bad play calls. The refs were astonishingly bad last night. Just do your jobs and take them out of the game.  

Everywhere I look it's Arch is the guy, Quinn hampers the team. Arch is still going to need everyone else to do their jobs. People have to quit thinking Arch fixes everything. 

The reality is IF Quinn would have stayed healthy he probably has 3400+ yards, 30+ TDs and 9 interceptions heading into the CFP. For a team that does not have a legit run game with the loss of CJ Baxter, Blue being ineffective and Wisner thankfully doing more than expected. Also your #1 RB recruit as a freshman has the dropsies and can’t blitz pickup. There is no threat of us breaking of an explosive running the ball. Bond hasn’t been anywhere near a #1 receiver, Golden and Helm therefore are the go-to’s. Quinn can scramble he did last night and the week before on a crappy ankle… rush bearing down on ya and 3 and 12 is a problem for ANY QB when you need 3.5 seconds for a route to develop and you get 2 seconds in the pocket. Fans need to recognize, sure we will have the play KJ or Trey instead of Arch next year…he has no intermediate pass game. Trust me running and throwing bombs won’t win a chip either.

Rally up and beat Clemson 

Edited December 8 by HornsUpThumbsDown

[ThatHornsGuy87]

12 minutes ago, HornsUpThumbsDown said:

The reality is IF Quinn would have stayed healthy he probably has 3400+ yards, 30+ TDs and 9 interceptions heading into the CFP. For a team that does not have a legit run game with the loss of CJ Baxter, Blue being ineffective and Wisner thankfully doing more than expected. Also your #1 RB recruit as a freshman has the dropsies and can’t blitz pickup. There is no threat of us breaking of an explosive running the ball. Bond hasn’t been anywhere near a #1 receiver, Golden and Helm therefore are the go-to’s. Quinn can scramble he did last night and the week before on a crappy ankle… rush bearing down on ya and 3 and 12 is a problem for ANY QB when you need 3.5 seconds for a route to develop and you get 2 seconds in the pocket. Fans need to recognize, sure we will have the play KJ or Trey instead of Arch next year…he has no intermediate pass game. Trust me running and throwing bombs won’t win a chip either.

Rally up and beat Clemson 

I'm gonna need Bolden to get Bonds snaps. The way Bond just stood there with the ball in the air after he tipped it up set me off. Idk if it's the injury and or his heads not in it since he's not being force fed the ball. Agree on everything you said

[Orngblud05]

3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Arch fixes a lot though. His ability to move out of the pocket and run means you can still move the chains on plays where everyone isn't doing their job. 

 

There is literally no data to support that argument.

[Hank Kingsley]

22 minutes ago, Orngblud05 said:

There is literally no data to support that argument.

There's no data to support mobile QBs being able to convert at a higher rate on off schedule plays? Ok. Do you watch football? 

[Orngblud05]

11 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

There's no data to support mobile QBs being able to convert at a higher rate on off schedule plays? Ok. Do you watch football? 

No. There is no data to support arch fixing anything. It is simply speculative to suggest that he would have performed better than Quinn.

[Orngblud05]

12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

There's no data to support mobile QBs being able to convert at a higher rate on off schedule plays? Ok. Do you watch football? 

If you had have said mobile quarterbacks convert more off schedule plays, I would have no argument. But that is not what you said.

[Hank Kingsley]

Just now, Orngblud05 said:

No. There is no data to support arch fixing anything. It is simply speculative to suggest that he would have performed better than Quinn.

LOL. What's the point of discussing anything in sports without speculation? 

[4thandFive]

When is the last time Quinn ran it up the middle on 1st down and gained 5 yards when the whole world knew it was coming…….

[Q]

10 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

There's no data to support mobile QBs being able to convert at a higher rate on off schedule plays? Ok. Do you watch football? 

There's no data to support Arch was ready to face Georgia in Atlanta. It seems people have anointed him after winning against trash teams, I for one dont think he is ready for that kind of stage. What your saying sounds good, but there is a huge difference between ULM trying to chase you down than Georgia. And he had 2 pics in ULM game.

[Hank Kingsley]

1 minute ago, Q said:

There's no data to support Arch was ready to face Georgia in Atlanta. It seems people have anointed him after winning against trash teams, I for one dont think he is ready for that kind of stage. What your saying sounds good, but there is a huge difference between ULM trying to chase you down than Georgia. And he had 2 pics in ULM game.

There is no data to support Arch not being ready to face Georgia. See how easy that was? 

 

[Q]

12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

There is no data to support Arch not being ready to face Georgia. See how easy that was? 

 

Small sample size but he did get in against Georgia the first game. Didn't really look all that game changing. So no I don't see how easy that was.

[Hank Kingsley]

Just now, Q said:

Small sample size but he did get in against Georgia the first game. Didn't really look all that game changing. So no I don't see how easy that was.

Large sample size, Quinn got benched in the first half of the 1st UGA game because of poor play. 

I have no desire to sh*t talk QE though. Is it not ok to be excited about Arch, his style of play, and what he's shown on the field this year? Do I have to wait until Quinn leaves to do so? 

 

[Q]

12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Large sample size, Quinn got benched in the first half of the 1st UGA game because of poor play. 

I have no desire to sh*t talk QE though. Is it not ok to be excited about Arch, his style of play, and what he's shown on the field this year? Do I have to wait until Quinn leaves to do so? 

 

It's not bad to be excited. But people on this board and others keep asking for him to start like he's not a redshirt freshman. They see him as some kind of night in shining armor and sh*t on Quinn. I would definitely like to see the Arch package more and expand on it. Just going off tape ULM confused him rather easily early on, would hate to see a full game of Kirby playing with his head.

[Hank Kingsley]

3 minutes ago, Q said:

It's not bad to be excited. But people on this board and others keep asking for him to start like he's not a redshirt freshman. They see him as some kind of night in shining armor and sh*t on Quinn. I would definitely like to see the Arch package more and expand on it. Just going off tape ULM confused him rather easily early on, would hate to see a full game of Kirby playing with his head.

Yes, after 5 touchdowns in about 20 minutes of relief for Quinn vs. UTSA, Arch came out in his first start ever and showed some youthful mistakes. Had a really bad forced INT early. While he hit a few nice deep balls, he was overly aggressive. Then the next week vs. Miss State, he came out MUCH sharper and in control. 26/31 with 300+ yards passing. Instead of going off ULM tape, go rewatch his next start vs. Miss State.

He also comes in and scores one of our 2 TDs vs. A&M on his first play in the game. 

He has showed clear improvement between starts, which is a great sign. His footwork and mechanics are very solid, he's tough in the pocket, throws a beautiful deep ball, is a mobile and physical runner. Even with a mostly new OL next year, get ready for the fireworks. Our offense will be much more explosive. 

 

[HornsUpThumbsDown]

2 hours ago, ThatHornsGuy87 said:

I'm gonna need Bolden to get Bonds snaps. The way Bond just stood there with the ball in the air after he tipped it up set me off. Idk if it's the injury and or his heads not in it since he's not being force fed the ball. Agree on everything you said

Totally…. Didn’t even work for the ball 

[Q]

25 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Yes, after 5 touchdowns in about 20 minutes of relief for Quinn vs. UTSA, Arch came out in his first start ever and showed some youthful mistakes. Had a really bad forced INT early. While he hit a few nice deep balls, he was overly aggressive. Then the next week vs. Miss State, he came out MUCH sharper and in control. 26/31 with 300+ yards passing. Instead of going off ULM tape, go rewatch his next start vs. Miss State.

He also comes in and scores one of our 2 TDs vs. A&M on his first play in the game. 

He has showed clear improvement between starts, which is a great sign. His footwork and mechanics are very solid, he's tough in the pocket, throws a beautiful deep ball, is a mobile and physical runner. Even with a mostly new OL next year, get ready for the fireworks. Our offense will be much more explosive. 

 

Again that sounds really good, and I agree with the next year take. But lets be real here lol, Miss St. is a 2-10 team 0-8 in the conference. Did he ball out yes, but I honestly believe ULM was the better coached team. The A&M run play is a perfect example of what I said I would like to see more of. Again its hard for me to believe he gives us a better chance to win over Quinn this year. Without a reliable running game and protection issues he can't out run, which he tried to do in the first Georgia game.

[TXStampede]

Do any of you honestly and objectively think that if Arch was a better option it would be crystal clear in practice and he would have been given the keys to Sark’s Lambo system?  C’mon. Knockitoff already with the Arch over Quinn nonsense. It’s getting exhausting. 

[Austalgia]

If Arch was better in practice he would not be given the start.  Quinn came back, Sark is not just going to bench him at the end of the season, even if Arch is better.  Maybe if he was “Way”. better, but there is no way that you supplant a 3 year QB with the backup at the end of the season without a reason (injury).  Quinn gets us through this year as long as he is healthy. He is a high risk high reward QB.  He can throw it on a dime at times.  He has an inconsistent long ball.  He has some of the worst perception of the pocket and pressure I’ve seen in a while.  Those are specifics.  Generalizations like he sucks, or he’s amazing are useless.  If he plays well and scores 20+ points we probably win against anyone with what’s around him.  If he takes sacks, fumbles in our territory, or throws costly interception we still can overcome it with a mid tier team, but we lose against good teams. This is the way.  We got what we got. Lets hope we get the good Quinn that scores in stretches of the game for the next four games.  I think we will, these teams aren’t Georgia. And let’s stop the penalties. Side note, but wow! They killed us.  Control what we can control. 

Edited December 8 by Austalgia

[Neil Leininger]

4 hours ago, Q said:

There's no data to support Arch was ready to face Georgia in Atlanta. It seems people have anointed him after winning against trash teams, I for one dont think he is ready for that kind of stage. What your saying sounds good, but there is a huge difference between ULM trying to chase you down than Georgia. And he had 2 pics in ULM game.

There's plenty of data to support that this was the likely outcome with Quinn.

[Neil Leininger]

3 hours ago, Q said:

Again that sounds really good, and I agree with the next year take. But lets be real here lol, Miss St. is a 2-10 team 0-8 in the conference. Did he ball out yes, but I honestly believe ULM was the better coached team. The A&M run play is a perfect example of what I said I would like to see more of. Again its hard for me to believe he gives us a better chance to win over Quinn this year. Without a reliable running game and protection issues he can't out run, which he tried to do in the first Georgia game.

Yet, against similar SEC defenses Quinn struggled. Our WR corp is very good, yet coming into the SEC CG, you want to know how many had 100 yard games? 3. You want to know who the QB was for the majority of those games. It wasn't Ewers.

[Q]

2 minutes ago, Neil Leininger said:

There's plenty of data to support that this was the likely outcome with Quinn.

Nah not really. Combination of false narrative, people wanting to see Arch, and people expecting him to be a day 1 pick that he hasn't lived up to. Could he be better yes, but he's not exactly shitting the bed like everyone on here is making it sound. You don't replace a QB with these stats smh. I would like the INT's to be lower but lets be real.

 

[Neil Leininger]

So, he's performing worse this year as opposed to last year. Good call.