Hoops: Texas at South Carolina Game Thread

[harveycmd]

Just now, Oldest Horn said:

Went you equate a reaction to a domestic violence arrest to a political agenda that’s an analogy.. Do you think?

I didn't "went you equate" anything. Do you have evidence a crime was committed? 

[Oldest Horn]

1 minute ago, harveycmd said:

I didn't "went you equate" anything. Do you have evidence a crime was committed? 

You were trying to associate intolerance for domestic violence with a political agenda. Keep up the good work. 

[harveycmd]

5 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

Went you equate a reaction to a domestic violence arrest to a political agenda that’s an analogy.. Do you think?

Austin DA didn't have evidence a crime was committed. If they did, they would have charged him.

[Oldest Horn]

5 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

Austin DA didn't have evidence a crime was committed. If they did, they would have charged him.

And your point?
 

Employers are not held to the same legal standards as criminal courts. But you know that, right?

[harveycmd]

1 minute ago, Oldest Horn said:

And your point?
 

Employers are not held to the same legal standards as criminal courts. But you know that, right?

I know that I don't now. UT doesn't know. You don't know either. If every person who was thought to have done something wrong was fired, about half the workforce wouldn't be employed. Publicity isn't a reason for firing absent political motivation. That's not me being "political." That's the UT administration being political.

[Oldest Horn]

1 minute ago, harveycmd said:

I know that I don't now. UT doesn't know. You don't know either. If every person who was thought to have done something wrong was fired, about half the workforce wouldn't be employed. Publicity isn't a reason for firing absent political motivation. That's not me being "political." That's the UT administration being political.

Much like a civil jury an employer can look at the evidence and not be bound by “beyond a reasonable doubt”. When a woman leaves a panicked 911 call, has visible marks on her neck and demands an arrest that’s enough for an employer to make a call - despite her decision to retract after her attorneys reached an agreement with Beard. Just like a civil jury will often find a perpetrator guilty while a criminal jury may not. 

[pinkman_90]

13 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

I know that I don't now. UT doesn't know. You don't know either. If every person who was thought to have done something wrong was fired, about half the workforce wouldn't be employed. Publicity isn't a reason for firing absent political motivation. That's not me being "political." That's the UT administration being political.

[harveycmd]

1 minute ago, Oldest Horn said:

Much like a civil jury an employer can look at the evidence and not be bound by “beyond a reasonable doubt”. When a woman leaves a panicked 911 call, has visible marks on her neck and demands an arrest that’s enough for an employer to make a call - despite her decision to retract after her attorneys reached an agreement with Beard. Just like a civil jury will often find a perpetrator guilty while a criminal jury may not. 

It's true an employer can do what they want in the state of Texas. I wouldn't have any other way. There ain't no "despite" in terms of determining the truth. Texas fired Beard. It was a mistake. Not only because they hired a hack to replace him, but because they don't know what really happened and responded to pressure that wasn't based in epistemic reality. If your standard is accused means a man should be fired, then you got your wish. We suck now. We suck because we fired a man without waiting for due process. Congratulations.

[Oldest Horn]

2 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

It's true an employer can do what they want in the state of Texas. I wouldn't have any other way. There ain't no "despite" in terms of determining the truth. Texas fired Beard. It was a mistake. Not only because they hired a hack to replace him, but because they don't know what really happened and responded to pressure that wasn't based in epistemic reality. If your standard is accused means a man should be fired, then you got your wish. We suck now. We suck because we fired a man without waiting for due process. Congratulations.

And yet you chose to politicize the issue. Brilliant!

And you, of all people, don’t know that the AD and administration learned in their investigation. So don’t pretend you do. 

[pinkman_90]

2 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

And yet you chose to politicize the issue. Brilliant!

And you, of all people, don’t know that the AD and administration learned in their investigation. So don’t pretend you do. 

You just don’t get it.  He’s an alpha dog that’s saving the world from us pansies that don’t like domestic violence.  

[harveycmd]

1 minute ago, Oldest Horn said:

And yet you chose to politicize the issue. Brilliant!

And you, of all people, don’t know that the AD and administration learned in their investigation. So don’t pretend you do. 

How many times are you going to say "brilliant?" Can you provide an argument for why firing Beard wasn't political? The man wasn't charged. Accuser recanted accusation. Is that "brilliant?"

[Oldest Horn]

5 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

How many times are you going to say "brilliant?" Can you provide an argument for why firing Beard wasn't political? The man wasn't charged. Accuser recanted accusation. Is that "brilliant?"

As many times as you provide a “brilliant” response, ace. 
 

And look who’s now asking to prove a negative. Oh, the irony!
 

I don’t think it’s political as I’ve seen similar things happen in the private sector. A guy in our community shoved his wife and she hit her head. She called the cops and charged him. He got fired by his hedge fund when it showed up in the local police blotter - even when she chose not to follow through with charges. Turns out she got a really favorable divorce settlement. Coincidence?

Point  is, there a lot of similarities here, regardless of politics. 
 

And you don’t “know” if there were politics at work any more than you don’t “know” what the university’s investigation unconverted. 

[Assistant Regional Manager]

This thread can and probably should be locked as it is past the point of productive conversations. 

[harveycmd]

1 minute ago, Oldest Horn said:

As many times as you provide a “brilliant” response, ace. 
 

And look who’s now asking to prove a negative. Oh, the irony!
 

I don’t think it’s political as I’ve seen similar things happen in the private sector. A guy in our community shoved his wife and she hit her head. She called the cops and charged him. He got fired by his hedge fund when it showed up in the local police blotter - even when she chose not to follow through with charges. Turns out she got a really favorable divorce settlement. Coincidence?

Point  is, there a lot of similarities here, regardless of politics. 
 

And you don’t “know” if there were politics at work any more than you don’t “know” what the university’s investigation unconverted. 

Do you know that Beard shoved or hit a woman? You don't know what the university uncovered anymore than I do. If they had clear evidence, the DA would have had the same clear evidence. Stop trying to play god and admit you don't know.

Texas fired Beard. It's too late to do anything about it now. Again, they can fire whomever they want. But when we're talking about wins and losses because of it I can opine as much as anybody. I hope someone takes CDC to the woodshed over it in the their silly meeting this week. 

[Oldest Horn]

1 minute ago, harveycmd said:

Do you know that Beard shoved or hit a woman? You don't know what the university uncovered anymore than I do. If they had clear evidence, the DA would have had the same clear evidence. Stop trying to play god and admit you don't know.

Texas fired Beard. It's too late to do anything about it now. Again, they can fire whomever they want. But when we're talking about wins and losses because of it I can opine as much as anybody. I hope someone takes CDC to the woodshed over it in the their silly meeting this week. 

I don’t “know” but the evidence published suggests he did. I probably would have fired him even though I liked him as a coach. I guess I’m “political” in your echo chamber. 
 

But the university did far more work and I trust their judgment on the matter. 
 

I get it, you don’t trust them, you choose to believe Beard. But if he was truly innocent I can’t imagine why there’s not an active wrongful termination suit going. Seems like slam dunk since the girlfriend recanted and all. (That was sarcasm, ace.)

[harveycmd]

Just now, Oldest Horn said:

I don’t “know” but the evidence published suggests he did. I probably would have fired him even though I liked him as a coach. I guess I’m “political” in your echo chamber. 
 

But the university did far more work and I trust their judgment on the matter. 
 

I get it, you don’t trust them, you choose to believe Beard. But if he was truly innocent I can’t imagine why there’s not an active wrongful termination suit going. Seems like slam dunk since the girlfriend recanted and all. (That was sarcasm, ace.)

Why can't you understand that trust has nothing to do with this? Only idiots trust anyone. In the absence of positive proof, there's nothing to "believe." 

[Oldest Horn]

1 minute ago, harveycmd said:

Why can't you understand that trust has nothing to do with this? Only idiots trust anyone. In the absence of positive proof, there's nothing to "believe." 

Why shouldn’t I trust CDC to do the right thing? Do you follow and diligence every criminal and civil case before making a call on who to believe? Did you you a thorough investigation in this caseP Please share your findings. 

[harveycmd]

This is what I learned at the University of Texas while studying science, literature, history and mathematics.

[harveycmd]

Just now, Oldest Horn said:

Why shouldn’t I trust CDC to do the right thing? Do you follow and diligence every criminal and civil case before making a call on who to believe? Did you you a thorough investigation in this caseP Please share your findings. 

You can't trust anyone absent proof. That's the reality.

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, harveycmd said:

You can't trust anyone absent proof. That's the reality.

Yes I can. I trust lots of peoples’ word on many matters without “proof”. In my business it would be impossible to transact if one had to re-diligence every element of a transaction.

What do you do for a living? You might consider finding new co-workers. 

[harveycmd]

1 minute ago, Oldest Horn said:

Yes I can. I trust lots of peoples’ word on many matters without “proof”. In my business it would be impossible to transact if one had to re-diligence every element of a transaction.

What do you do for a living? You might consider finding new co-workers. 

I trade stocks for a living. Market up or down doesn't matter to me. I make money either way. I "trust" the technical movements of the market. I don't know what Beard did or didn't do.

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, harveycmd said:

I trade stocks for a living. Market up or down doesn't matter to me. I make money either way. I "trust" the technical movements of the market. I don't know what Beard did or didn't do.

So you trade your own account and don’t manage others’ money. 

[harveycmd]

Just now, Oldest Horn said:

So you trade your own account and don’t manage others’ money. 

Yes. I don't work with anyone's money but my own. I consider it unethical to play with other people's money,

[Oldest Horn]

13 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

Yes. I don't work with anyone's money but my own. I consider it unethical to play with other people's money,

Funny, I work for a firm which manages billions on behalf of public and private pensions, endowments and family offices. Often in collaboration with other asset managers. Neither I, my colleagues or clients find anything unethical about it. It also requires a lot of mutual trust and respect. 
 

But you do you. 

[harveycmd]

1 minute ago, Oldest Horn said:

Funny, I work for a firm which manages billions on behalf of public and private pensions, endowments and family offices. Often in collaboration with other asset managers. Neither I, my colleagues or clients find anything unethical about it. It also requires a lot of mutual trust and respect. 
 

But you do you. 

You might be better than me at it. I make a comfortable living, but I'm not willing to risk others' money. Plus I don't want to get a broker's license.