Oldest Horn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 hour ago, harveycmd said: Then why did CDC hire him? Pretty overwhelming evidence he assaulted his girlfriend. Quote
Oldest Horn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 13 minutes ago, harveycmd said: We have guilty until proven innocent with you guys. Employment is not subject to criminal law standards. Quote
harveycmd Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 minute ago, pinkman_90 said: Objection your honor. Irrelevant. Overruled. Socrates died to prove his point that common opinion about contemporary hot pints didn't supersede truth in 399 BC. Hasn't changed in 2025. Quote
pinkman_90 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, harveycmd said: Overruled. Socrates died to prove his point that common opinion about contemporary hot pints didn't supersede truth in 399 BC. Hasn't changed in 2025. 😩 1 Quote
harveycmd Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 4 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said: 😩 My favorite character in Quentin Tarantino's "Reservoir Dogs" is Buscemi as Mr. Pink. Edited February 23 by harveycmd Quote
Oldest Horn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 55 minutes ago, harveycmd said: Our football coach showed up drunk for work at USC. He deserved another chance. He's proven himself. My point is that Beard wasn't worse. He deserved another chance after entering rehab, performing well with two different employers and staying sober. Quote
harveycmd Posted February 23 Posted February 23 18 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said: He deserved another chance after entering rehab, performing well with two different employers and staying sober. Beard didn't have to enter rehab. Lefty nutjobs on the Cormac McCarthy board in 2003 were more logical than this. Quote
Oldest Horn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 minute ago, harveycmd said: Beard didn't have to enter rehab. Lefty nutjobs on the Cormac McCarthy board in 2003 were more logical than this. You asked why Sark deserved a second chance. I answered. This isn’t hard. Don’t make it so. Quote
harveycmd Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Just now, Oldest Horn said: You asked why Sark deserved a second chance. I answered. This isn’t hard. Don’t make it so. I didn't ask. I said Sark deserved a second chance. Beard didn't deserve to be fired for contemporary prejudice about domestic matters. A few here think he did. I chalk that up to Austin left nonsense. 1 Quote
Oldest Horn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 minute ago, harveycmd said: I didn't ask. I said Sark deserved a second chance. Beard didn't deserve to be fired for contemporary prejudice about domestic matters. A few here think he did. I chalk that up to Austin left nonsense. Sark’s path to becoming a head coach again took 6 years. Does that clarify things for you? Quote
harveycmd Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said: Sark’s path to becoming a head coach again took 6 years. Does that clarify things for you? I don't need clarification. History doesn't change in six years. Will Rodney Terry be better suited to be head coach of the Texas Longhorns men's basketball team in six years? I doubt it. Sark was calling a national championship game for Alabama the next year. Does that clarify things? Edited February 23 by harveycmd Quote
Oldest Horn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, harveycmd said: I don't need clarification. History doesn't change in six years. Will Rodney Terry be better suited to be head coach of the Texas Longhorns men's basketball team in six years? I doubt it. Sark was calling a national championship game for Alabama the next year. Does that clarify things? Rodney’s rehab for off the court transgressions isn’t what I was discussing. Sadly, it appears you’re in deep need of clarification. Quote
GoHorns1 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 11 minutes ago, harveycmd said: I don't need clarification. History doesn't change in six years. Will Rodney Terry be better suited to be head coach of the Texas Longhorns men's basketball team in six years? I doubt it. Sark was calling a national championship game for Alabama the next year. Does that clarify things? Being drunk at work and domestic violence are two completely different scenarios. Bread had to fired. 1 Quote
harveycmd Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said: Rodney’s rehab for off the court transgressions isn’t what I was discussing. Sadly, it appears you’re in deep need of clarification. The confusion is about contemporary politically correct standards and competence coaching college sports. I'm not confused about the two. I'm not confused about the disposition of eternal souls. Like Sark, Beard didn't commit an unforgivable eternal sin. Media crap doesn't cloud my judgment on such matters. Do you need rehab? Edited February 23 by harveycmd Quote
Oldest Horn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 minute ago, harveycmd said: The confusion is about contemporary politically correct standards and competence coaching college sports. I'm not confused about the two. I'm not confused about the disposition of eternal souls. Like Sark, Beard didn't commit an unforgivable eternal sin. Media crap doesn't cloud my judgment on such matters. Do you need rehab? Did Beard admit his transgression, then seek help and forgiveness? Last I checked one admitted their sins to order to seek forgiveness. Quote
harveycmd Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Just now, Oldest Horn said: Did Beard admit his transgression, then seek help and forgiveness? Last I checked one admitted their sins to order to seek forgiveness. That's up to him. Charges were dropped. I don't know about his transgressions. You don't either. CDC doesn't know for sure. Again, he's not guilty until proven innocent. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't maim anyone. Quote
Oldest Horn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 1 minute ago, harveycmd said: That's up to him. Charges were dropped. I don't know about his transgressions. You don't either. CDC doesn't know for sure. Again, he's not guilty until proven innocent. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't maim anyone. So how do you know if they’re forgivable or not? Or what the appropriate penance is? Edited February 23 by Oldest Horn Quote
pinkman_90 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 I made the effort to stop arguing with the DV sympathizer. It was tough but think it should be left alone. It was two years ago. Quote
harveycmd Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Just now, Oldest Horn said: So how do you know if they’re forgivable or not? I can't prove a negative. You can't either. We don't know for sure what happened. Quote
Oldest Horn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Just now, harveycmd said: I can't prove a negative. You can't either. We don't know for sure what happened. Point is if you have no idea what he did you shouldn’t be in a position to determine forgiveness or punishment. Quote
GoHorns1 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 6 minutes ago, harveycmd said: That's up to him. Charges were dropped. I don't know about his transgressions. You don't either. CDC doesn't know for sure. Again, he's not guilty until proven innocent. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't maim anyone. Breads behavior was a fireable offense with cause per his contract. Bread never challenge the firing says enough. Edited February 23 by GoHorns1 1 Quote
harveycmd Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Just now, Oldest Horn said: Point is if you have no idea what he did you shouldn’t be in a position to determine forgiveness or punishment. That's true, but he was punished by the Texas administration because they were worried about political backlash. And again, since when is the standard that we just assume we must punish without definitive evidence? Common sense plays a role, but we have nothing there to determine Beard's culpability in this case. Quote
bierce Posted February 23 Posted February 23 I don't think it was just the felony arrest that caused Beard to be fired. I can't prove it, but there were rumors about Trew and his relationship with Trew being a problem in Lubbock. I suspect he was hired with the understanding that he needed to keep everything under control in his life, whether by letting her go or otherwise keeping everything under control. Things got out of control. You don't pay a guy $5M a year to bring his problems to the program. 2 2 Quote
Oldest Horn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Just now, harveycmd said: That's true, but he was punished by the Texas administration because they were worried about political backlash. And again, since when is the standard that we just assume we must punish without definitive evidence? Common sense plays a role, but we have nothing there to determine Beard's culpability in this case. Or, they had a situation where a high profile, highly paid employee who, based on their investigation, committed domestic violence, and fired him for cause. I don’t know what politics would have created a different outcome. 1 Quote
TexasFanatic Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, harveycmd said: Then why did CDC hire him? Texas was just coming off the bs Eyes of Texas issue and you can’t replace the black coach who took over for the white coach who choked his Fiancé and took them to the elite 8. If he did a certain mob would have come for CDC. Timing and race 100% factored into the decision. The next coach, CDC can now fully vet. Whether that is Ivy, Miller, Wade, Oats, etc… I just want to win and have the coach represent Texas with success and honor Edited February 23 by TexasFanatic Quote
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