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Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted July 5 Author Moderators Share Posted July 5 28 minutes ago, Blake Munroe said: Im betting its a cat 2+ or 3- at landfall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bierce Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Here are July 5 12z models for HMON, HWRF, and GFS. HAFS-A and HAFS-B differ so wildly from each other that I think they are still experimenting with parameters, so I didn't include them. HMON and HWRF are projections for 4 am July 8, GFS for 7 am July 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bierce Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 What is particularly striking about the 12z models is that HMON was predicting 24 hours earlier for max winds of only 40mph upon landfall. Now it predicts Beryl spending 12 more hours in the gulf and making landfall with 85+ max winds. That is a huge change in one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators CJ Vogel Posted July 5 Moderators Share Posted July 5 The worst of the storm is past Jamaica which is great news for me with my parents out on vacation there this week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bierce Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 42 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said: Im betting its a cat 2+ or 3- at landfall An overachiever to its end, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bierce Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Ok, I tried to get a grasp on the difference between HAFS-A and HAFS-B and found this explanation. It's like reading Wittgenstein. You're baffled at the start. You read a little more and start to understand. Then you read a little more and come to the realization you don't. HAFS-A - The operational Hurricane Analysis and Forecast System (HAFS) configuration “A” modeling system (Version 1.0) of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Centers for Environmental Prediction. The atmospheric component is based on the Finite-Volume Cubed-Sphere (FV3) dynamical core. HAFS is configured with two storm-centric domains with nominal horizontal resolutions of 6 km and 2 km, respectively. The outermost domain is ~80° x ~80° and is approximately centered on the system of interest. The moving nest is ~12° x ~12° and follows the system of interest throughout the model integration. The atmospheric model is coupled to the HYbrid Coordinate Ocean Model (HYCOM). HAFS-A obtains its atmospheric initial/lateral boundary conditions from operational GFS and oceanic initial/lateral boundary conditions from operational Real-Time Ocean Forecast System (RTOFS). In contrast to HAFS-B, HAFS-A initializes the vortex based on the maximum wind error of the first guess at analysis time and uses a GFS-based physics suite with TC specific modifications in PBL and surface surface schemes. This physics suite includes the GFDL microphysics parameterization and a modified eddy-diffusivity mass-flux (EDMF)-turbulent kinetic energy (TKE) planetary boundary layer parameterization. Modifications are made in the EDMF-TKE PBL scheme which makes the mixing length scale near the surface in PBL consistent with that used in the surface-layer module. Surface roughness lengths for momentum and scalar are specified as a function of wind speed to match observed drag coefficients in the surface parameterization scheme. Independent HAFS-A forecasts are created for up to five active tropical cyclones and invests worldwide. HAFS-A model forecasts are currently available 4x daily at 3-h intervals out to 126 h. Documentation: https://github.com/hafs-community/HAFS Alt. Web Site: https://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/hurricane/HFSA/ HAFS-B - The operational Hurricane Analysis and Forecast System (HAFS) configuration “B” modeling system (Version 1.0) of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Centers for Environmental Prediction. The atmospheric component is based on the Finite-Volume Cubed-Sphere (FV3) dynamical core. HAFS is configured with two storm-centric domains with nominal horizontal resolutions of 6 km and 2 km, respectively. The outermost domain is ~80° x ~80° and is approximately centered on the system of interest. The moving nest is ~12° x ~12° and follows the system of interest throughout the model integration. The atmospheric model is coupled to the HYbrid Coordinate Ocean Model (HYCOM). HAFS-B obtains its atmospheric initial/lateral boundary conditions from operational GFS and oceanic initial/lateral boundary conditions from operational Real-Time Ocean Forecast System (RTOFS). In contrast to HAFS-A, HAFS-B initializes the vortex slightly differently (although still based on the initial maximum wind error) and uses a unique physics suite. This physics suite includes the Thompson microphysics parameterization and a modified eddy-diffusivity mass-flux (EDMF)-turbulent kinetic energy (TKE) planetary boundary layer parameterization with modifications for hurricane environments based on advanced research. Independent HAFS-A forecasts are created for up to two active tropical cyclones and invests in NHC basins (NATL/EPAC). HAFS-B model forecasts are currently available 4x daily at 3-h intervals out to 126 h. Documentation: https://github.com/hafs-community/HAFS Alt. Web Site: https://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/hurricane/HFSB/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bierce Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 NHC 4pm CDT advisory. I bolded the coordinates predicted for landfall. That's in the middle of Corpus Christi Bay, btw. 732 WTNT42 KNHC 052045 TCDAT2 Tropical Storm Beryl Discussion Number 29 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL022024 400 PM CDT Fri Jul 05 2024 Beryl has weakened below hurricane strength while crossing the northern portion of the Yucatan Peninsula. Satellite imagery shows that the cloud tops in the central convection have warmed except for one small area just northeast of the center, and radar data from Cancun shows that the rainbands near the center have become less organized. The initial intensity is reduced to a somewhat uncertain 55 kt, as there is little in the way of wind data from the inner core. The initial motion is now 295/13 kt. There is little change in the philosophy or the meteorology of the track forecast. For the next 12 h or so, Beryl should be steered generally west-northwestward by the western portion of the subtropical ridge over the southeastern United States. After that, a turn toward the northwest is likely as the storm moves towards a break in the ridge caused by a combination of a trough in the mid-latitude westerlies over the central United States and an upper-level trough moving westward over the southwestern Gulf of Mexico. This motion should bring the center near the western Gulf coast in about 72 h. Subsequently, a northward motion through the break appears likely. The track guidance has shifted eastward since the previous advisory, with the most notable change being the ECMWF model, which is now on the eastern side of the guidance envelope. The new forecast track is shifted east of the previous track, but it still lies to the west of the various consensus models. Therefore, additional adjustments of the forecast track could be necessary tonight. Beryl will likely weaken a little more before the center emerges over the Gulf of Mexico this evening. After that, it could take 12-24 h for the cyclone's structure to recover over the Gulf of Mexico before re-intensification begins in earnest, and during this time the large-scale models suggest continued southwesterly shear. Based on this and the overall trend of the intensity guidance, the new forecast calls for gradual strengthening to start around 24 h, and the first part of this forecast could be a bit generous. However, the upper-level winds become more favorable as the cyclone approaches the western Gulf coast after 36 h, with decreasing shear and increasing upper-level divergence. This combination should allow a faster rate of strengthening. The new intensity forecast now calls for an 80-kt intensity at landfall in best agreement with the HWRF, HAFS-B, and HMON models, and this could be conservative if Beryl stays over water longer than currently forecast. Users are reminded that the average NHC track error at day 3 is around 100 miles, and it remains too soon to pinpoint where the greatest impacts will be. Key Messages: 1. There is an increasing risk of damaging hurricane-force winds and life-threatening storm surge in portions of northeastern Mexico and the lower and middle Texas Coast late Sunday and Monday where Hurricane and Storm Surge Watches have been issued. Additional watches may be required tonight or early Saturday. Interests in these areas should follow any advice given by local officials. 2. Flash and urban flooding are possible across portions of the Texas Gulf Coast and eastern Texas from Sunday through the middle of next week. 3. Rip currents will cause life-threatening beach conditions through the weekend across much of the Gulf Coast. Beachgoers should heed warning flags and the advice of lifeguards and local officials before venturing into the water. 4. Strong winds, storm surge, and heavy rainfall will continue over northern portions of the Yucatan Peninsula this evening. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 05/2100Z 21.2N 89.2W 55 KT 65 MPH...INLAND 12H 06/0600Z 22.0N 91.0W 50 KT 60 MPH...OVER WATER 24H 06/1800Z 23.2N 93.0W 55 KT 65 MPH 36H 07/0600Z 24.3N 94.6W 60 KT 70 MPH 48H 07/1800Z 25.3N 95.9W 65 KT 75 MPH 60H 08/0600Z 26.5N 96.8W 70 KT 80 MPH 72H 08/1800Z 27.8N 97.3W 80 KT 90 MPH...AT COAST 96H 09/1800Z 30.5N 97.0W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND 120H 10/1800Z 32.5N 95.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/INLAND $$ Forecaster Beven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bierce Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 HMON and HWRF have moved landfall slightly north in the 18z run. HWRF has Beryl making landfall almost 6 hours later than HMON. HWRF projection is for 7 am CDT Jul 8. HMON is for 1 am CDT Jul 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southpaw Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 9 hours ago, Jerry K said: This is what I was afraid of. We have a RV in Rockport. Looks I’ll be moving it out. I’ll bet it’s gonna be stronger than NWS predicts. My neighbor has property in Rockport they are building a small vacation home on. They left the afternoon of July 4 to drag their camper down there to do some work. I asked them why go with the possibility of the hurricane hitting in that area. They said they'll deal with it if it happens. Makes me wonder if they'll be back tonight or tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry K Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 16 minutes ago, southpaw said: My neighbor has property in Rockport they are building a small vacation home on. They left the afternoon of July 4 to drag their camper down there to do some work. I asked them why go with the possibility of the hurricane hitting in that area. They said they'll deal with it if it happens. Makes me wonder if they'll be back tonight or tomorrow. Im sure there will be a bunch with RV’s that leave and many that don’t. With a hurricane coming up the coastline regardless of where it lands I’m not going to take a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bierce Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 18z run of ECMWF shows landfall near Freeport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bierce Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) 10 CDT update from NHC. It boils down to a slight northly shift from last message. Landfall predicted on Matagorda Island late morning July 8. Strength bumped up a smidgin to borderline cat 1/cat 2 at landfall. Usual caveat of 80-100 mile error range and +/- 1 category in strength. 337 WTNT42 KNHC 060243 TCDAT2 Tropical Storm Beryl Discussion Number 30 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL022024 1000 PM CDT Fri Jul 05 2024 The center of Beryl has emerged over the southern Gulf of Mexico just northwest of Progreso in the Yucatan Peninsula. Surface observations and NOAA aircraft Tail Doppler Radar data indicate that the storm has become significantly titled with the low-level center located to the southwest of the mid-level vortex, with most of the showers and thunderstorms located closer to the mid-level center. The latest flight-level wind data from the Air Force Hurricane Hunter aircraft support lowering the initial intensity to 50 kt. The minimum pressure is now up to 996 mb. Beryl has been moving west-northwestward at about 11 kt as the system remains steered by a mid-level ridge located over the southeastern U.S. This motion should continue through early Saturday, After that time, a gradual turn to the northwest with a decrease in forward speed is predicted as Beryl moves toward a weakness in the ridge caused by a trough over the south-central U.S. The models show a shortwave trough reinforcing the weakness late in the weekend, which could cause a turn more toward the north just before Beryl makes landfall. The latest guidance has again shifted to the right and is a little faster than the previous cycle, and the NHC track forecast has been adjusted in those directions. The new track forecast is very close to the latest GFS model prediction, which has been the best performer for Beryl up to this point. Since Beryl's structure has degraded significantly from its passage over the Yucatan, it likely will take a little time for the storm to recover. However, the overall environmental conditions are conducive for strengthening with increasing water temperatures and decreasing vertical wind shear along the expected track. In addition, the global models are suggesting that the upper-level wind pattern might become more diffluent before the system reaches the coast, which could aid in the intensification process. Although the global models are not particularly skillful in predicting the maximum winds of a tropical cyclone, they do assess the environmental factors well and the ECMWF and GFS models show significant decreases in the system's minimum pressure over the next couple of days. Based on these fundamental factors, the NHC intensity forecast calls for slow strengthening during the next day or so, followed by more steady strengthening until Beryl makes landfall. This forecast is similar to the previous one. Based on the latest forecast, the Hurricane Watch has been extended eastward along the Texas coast. It is important to note that the average NHC track error at 60-72 hours is 80-100 miles and the average intensity error is close to one category. Users are reminded to consider these uncertainties when using the forecast information. Key Messages: 1. There is an increasing risk of damaging hurricane-force winds and life-threatening storm surge in portions of northeastern Mexico and the lower and middle Texas Coast late Sunday and Monday, where Hurricane and Storm Surge Watches are in effect. Additional watches and warnings may be required on Saturday. Interests in these areas should follow any advice given by local officials. 2. Flash and urban flooding are possible across portions of the Texas Gulf Coast and eastern Texas from Sunday through the middle of next week. 3. Rip currents will cause life-threatening beach conditions through the weekend across much of the Gulf Coast. Beachgoers should heed warning flags and the advice of lifeguards and local officials before venturing into the water. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 06/0300Z 21.7N 90.2W 50 KT 60 MPH 12H 06/1200Z 22.7N 91.8W 50 KT 60 MPH 24H 07/0000Z 23.9N 93.6W 55 KT 65 MPH 36H 07/1200Z 25.0N 95.0W 60 KT 70 MPH 48H 08/0000Z 26.2N 96.0W 70 KT 80 MPH 60H 08/1200Z 27.6N 96.6W 80 KT 90 MPH 72H 09/0000Z 29.2N 96.7W 50 KT 60 MPH...INLAND 96H 10/0000Z 31.8N 95.3W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW 120H 11/0000Z 33.9N 92.5W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/INLAND $$ Forecaster Cangialosi Edited July 6 by bierce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TarrantCoHorn Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I’m currently in Galveston for a planned 4th of July trip with the family. Leaving first thing in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bierce Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Working at lake property so unable to post in detail, but most recent projections differ only slightly from last night. If anything a very slight shift back west, but center still expected to make landfall between Corpus and Port Lavaca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 22 hours ago, CJ Vogel said: The worst of the storm is past Jamaica which is great news for me with my parents out on vacation there this week. Glad they’re safe CJ ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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