Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted December 9 Moderators Share Posted December 9 Will be interesting to see what Georgia does in the portal ... and they will bring in talented players ... With that said, Georgia is going to lose a lot after this season: LB Smael Mondon LB Jalon Walker - 1st round DE Mykel Williams - 1st round DL Warren Brinson DL Nazir Stackhouse S Dan Jackson LB Chaz Chambliss QB Carson Beck OG Tate Ratledge RT Xavier Truss WR Dominic Lovett WR Arian Smith Possible: DL Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins RB Trevor Etienne OT Earnest Greene III OL Dylan Fairchild C Jared Wilson 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted December 9 Author Moderators Share Posted December 9 The Dawgs will be top 10 good by mid-season, but may be quite a bit younger early in the season on defense. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveycmd Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 I want to call out Gerry. He's being too hard on Quinn. I called for Arch during the second bye week. Quinn hasn't been as good as he should, but Gerry is going too far. Quinn was our best offensive player against Georgia. He didn't "fail" in the red zone. Golden dropped a touchdown. Quinn is the only reason we moved the ball. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted December 9 Author Moderators Share Posted December 9 4 minutes ago, harveycmd said: I want to call out Gerry. He's being too hard on Quinn. I called for Arch during the second bye week. Quinn hasn't been as good as he should, but Gerry is going too far. Quinn was our best offensive player against Georgia. He didn't "fail" in the red zone. Golden dropped a touchdown. Quinn is the only reason we moved the ball. No problem. We can disagree. He's not good enough in the red zone. Not the playmaker to pick up the team that he needs to be. Hope het delivers in the playoff! 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveycmd Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 1 minute ago, Gerry Hamilton said: No problem. We can disagree. He's not good enough in the red zone. Not the playmaker to pick up the team that he needs to be. Hope het delivers in the playoff! You're wrong. Quinn was the only reason we had a chance against Georgia. He's not great. I'd rather have Arch. He's better than you are giving credit for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted December 9 Author Moderators Share Posted December 9 Just now, harveycmd said: You're wrong. Quinn was the only reason we had a chance against Georgia. He's not great. I'd rather have Arch. He's better than you are giving credit for. Cool. I think he's a good player that is very accurate when he has a perfect pocket. He's not a high level QB under pressure or duress. Not a playmaker in late games when his teams him to be, especially in the red zone. Hope he delivers once in the red zone in the playoffs to win a game! Would be great to see. The play you referenced wasn't a red zone throw. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveycmd Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 Red zone doesn't matter when the receiver drops a touchdown that Quinn perfectly placed. Quinn stepped up in the pocket. He scrambled and delivered accurate passes under duress. Texas didn't lose because of Quinn. They lost because Auburn choked and they didn't react quickly enough to the QB change. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted December 9 Author Moderators Share Posted December 9 Just now, harveycmd said: Red zone doesn't matter when the receiver drops a touchdown that Quinn perfectly placed. Quinn stepped up in the pocket. He scrambled and delivered accurate passes under duress. Texas didn't lose because of Quinn. They lost because Auburn choked and they didn't react quickly enough to the QB change. 2 of 10 in the red zone for 5 yards with a dropped INT. When he needed to put the team on his back to deliver the winning throw in the red zone ... DID NOT HAPPEN. Same as Washington. It's a team sport, yes. We all agree. QB's are separated by the ones who get it done in the clutch, or when the chips are down and their team needs them the most. Why do you think Texas fans believe they would win every game with Vince? Because he would make the play when you absolutely had to have to win a game. Same question for Pat Mahomes. Same question for Brett Farve. I can go on and on and on. Look, I hope Quinn delivers in that situation in the playoffs ... he didn't against Washington and he didn't Saturday ... when his team needed him to make one red zone throw to win the game. We aren't going to agree on this, and it's all good. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F. Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 Hamilton you probably thought you found a topic that wouldn’t lead to ranting about the Texas QB. Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgvhorn80 Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 28 minutes ago, harveycmd said: I want to call out Gerry. He's being too hard on Quinn. I called for Arch during the second bye week. Quinn hasn't been as good as he should, but Gerry is going too far. Quinn was our best offensive player against Georgia. He didn't "fail" in the red zone. Golden dropped a touchdown. Quinn is the only reason we moved the ball. Quinn is mediocre QB. Quit whining…it’s the truth anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know what they’re watching. He is the weak link. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveycmd Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 I repeat. Quinn threw a perfect pass to Golden that should have been a touchdown. Saying "red zone" over and over doesn't change that. Sark admitted he should have helped Quinn out more in the red zone. Again, Quinn was the only reason we moved the ball. It sure as hell wasn't the run game. He was under pressure the whole game and delivered more often than not. We can admit Quinn isn't the greatest while also recognizing he's pretty damn good. I wish Arch had been inserted as the starter after the second bye. Sark didn't do it. We can win the natty with Quinn if our kicker can make a forty yard field goal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgvhorn80 Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 Quinn’s grandpa out here picking a fight with GH. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted December 9 Author Moderators Share Posted December 9 1 minute ago, harveycmd said: I repeat. Quinn threw a perfect pass to Golden that should have been a touchdown. Saying "red zone" over and over doesn't change that. Sark admitted he should have helped Quinn out more in the red zone. Again, Quinn was the only reason we moved the ball. It sure as hell wasn't the run game. He was under pressure the whole game and delivered more often than not. We can admit Quinn isn't the greatest while also recognizing he's pretty damn good. I wish Arch had been inserted as the starter after the second bye. Sark didn't do it. We can win the natty with Quinn if our kicker can make a forty yard field goal. Quinn threw a terrific pass to Golden. The Georgia DB made a great play to help cause that incompletion too. I agree Texas can win the title. But if a singular game comes down to Texas in the red zone and Quinn having to make the play/throw to win it ... he has to deliver to get it done. Because he hasn't in that situation in the most meaningful games of his career to this point. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Butler Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 2 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said: 2 of 10 in the red zone for 5 yards with a dropped INT. When he needed to put the team on his back to deliver the winning throw in the red zone ... DID NOT HAPPEN. Same as Washington. It's a team sport, yes. We all agree. QB's are separated by the ones who get it done in the clutch, or when the chips are down and their team needs them the most. Why do you think Texas fans believe they would win every game with Vince? Because he would make the play when you absolutely had to have to win a game. Same question for Pat Mahomes. Same question for Brett Farve. I can go on and on and on. Look, I hope Quinn delivers in that situation in the playoffs ... he didn't against Washington and he didn't Saturday ... when his team needed him to make one red zone throw to win the game. We aren't going to agree on this, and it's all good. Quinn is a great QB but he’s not elite when he needs to be as @Gerry Hamilton noted about VY and other “clutch” QBs. Chris Simms was the same way as Quinn IMO. Great QB, but when we needed him most he failed to ride to the occasion more often than not. There were some dropped passes yes. But look at the back to back throws to wingo the last drive in regulation. The first was a PI but wingo was OPEN and if the ball was thrown on time and accurately it was a touchdown. Instead it was badly under thrown. Still resulted in PI and good field position. The next play Wingo beats 6 again and Quinn throws high and doesn’t even give Wingo a chance to make a play on the ball. The fade to Moore was a horribly located ball, heck even the stalk block and go wheel route in the first quarter where they called offensive PI was a bad over throw to a wide open Gunnar Helm. There were some fantastic throws in there too, but over all in the red zone we’ve needed more from Quinn in the games we’ve lost that matter most. But, he has done it at times against good opponents and hopefully he will rise to the occasion in the playoffs. If he can tighten up those really tight window throws he’ll take the next step. Right now it’s not there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky P Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 54 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said: The Dawgs will be top 10 good by mid-season, but may be quite a bit younger early in the season on defense. can you do a similar post for texas roster I was looking and didn't see one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveycmd Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 1 minute ago, Gerry Hamilton said: Quinn threw a terrific pass to Golden. The Georgia DB made a great play to help cause that incompletion too. I agree Texas can win the title. But if a singular game comes down to Texas in the red zone and Quinn having to make the play/throw to win it ... he has to deliver to get it done. Because he hasn't in that situation in the most meaningful games of his career to this point. We've lost two regular season games over the last two years with Quinn as our QB. Harping on the red zone against Georgia doesn't change that. Quinn was our best player against Georgia. He did everything that anyone could reasonably ask. Look at the all 22 in the red zone and explain where he screwed up. He didn't. Georgia's good. He made plays repeatedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveycmd Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 (edited) Good news is that if we can beat Oregon or Ohio State in the semi-finals, we should win the national title. Beck's out. I can't imagine Stockton beating Texas if we game plan for him. Edited December 9 by harveycmd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos72 Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 24 minutes ago, harveycmd said: We've lost two regular season games over the last two years with Quinn as our QB. Harping on the red zone against Georgia doesn't change that. Quinn was our best player against Georgia. He did everything that anyone could reasonably ask. Look at the all 22 in the red zone and explain where he screwed up. He didn't. Georgia's good. He made plays repeatedly. Is this a bit? lift your arms up, look up, and say outloud the sky is blue… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longhorn4life Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 Looking back at the film, was there any reads that Quinn could have thrown to score a td? Was there any way to evade the pressure and extend the plays? Watching on tv, didn’t seem like there was much. Only talking about in the redzone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveycmd Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 (edited) 36 minutes ago, rgvhorn80 said: Quinn’s grandpa out here picking a fight with GH. Fight? Ain't no fight. Reminds me of dealing with pansies from Canada on the Cormac McCarthy board in 2007. Edited December 9 by harveycmd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveycmd Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 I'll add that in the past you could call out pansies. I'm not talking about Gerry. He ain't no pansy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Butler Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 1 hour ago, harveycmd said: Good news is that if we can beat Oregon or Ohio State in the semi-finals, we should win the national title. Beck's out. I can't imagine Stockton beating Texas if we game plan for him. True that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Kingsley Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 2 hours ago, harveycmd said: We've lost two regular season games over the last two years with Quinn as our QB. Harping on the red zone against Georgia doesn't change that. Quinn was our best player against Georgia. He did everything that anyone could reasonably ask. Look at the all 22 in the red zone and explain where he screwed up. He didn't. Georgia's good. He made plays repeatedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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goattalk100 Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 2 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said: Quinn threw a terrific pass to Golden. The Georgia DB made a great play to help cause that incompletion too. I agree Texas can win the title. But if a singular game comes down to Texas in the red zone and Quinn having to make the play/throw to win it ... he has to deliver to get it done. Because he hasn't in that situation in the most meaningful games of his career to this point. I really feel like the constant injuries have really stunted his development & even comfortability on the field in general. He plays like he doesn’t want to get hit if he can help it, so he doesn’t step into many throws under pressure anymore. I really think he needs to bulk up to be able to absorb some of those hits, especially at the next level. That said, I do think he has displayed a level of toughness in spite of all that. I think if he played with more fearlessness but not reckless abandon (thinking about the time last year when he injured his shoulder trying to truck a guy) then I think he can find it & lead us to the natty. But I also wouldn’t be mad if the OL stepped up & gave him a nice clean pocket in the process lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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