If you’re Ohio State….

[harveycmd]

One thing we're not hearing is that JJ's three drops were just as bad or worse than Arch's seven bad throws. That's two bad games in a row against Texas. Doesn't seem like the best player in CFB stuff. Certainly not the same level of scrutiny.

[CHorn427]

1 hour ago, Ironmanz35 said:

Great points.  1. First time for all four  D-line as starters, so hopefully we improve our run D before that game.  As for abandoning the run, I did not see Texas do that until they were down 14.  I think we were happy to play everything in front and not give up a big play.  Penn State will be a problem, I also see a lot of growth for us on the offensive side of the ball leading into that game.  Yes, in my opinion Texas run D is that good!!!  

We had two drives with red zone snaps. One drive saw one RB run on 6 red zone plays (gain of 2 yards with 3 yards to gain). The other drive saw one RB run on 5 red zone plays (gain of 3 yards with 6 yards to gain). 
 

Those are successful runs. Also, every time we ran a RB on 3rd and short (non goal line), we gained a first down. There’s been a lot of talk about Ohio State keeping things in front of them, but there is no way Ohio State wasn’t trying to stop the run on 3rd and short or was content to allow successful runs inside of the redzone. If that was part of the gameplan, that’s problematic.

We had a lot of failed conversions on 3rd and short due to inaccurate passes, and a lot of drives stall from getting into 3rd and long because of inaccurate passes (thus not having the opportunity to run on 3rd and short). The lack of attempts for our RBs in the RZ and opting to pass on 3rd and short rather than run it until they prove they can stop it on 3rd and short is what I would call abandonment. 

But other than one failed, poorly conceived, half assed 4th down conversion attempt on the first drive, we pretty much ran the ball at will with our RBs. 

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27 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

One thing we're not hearing is that JJ's three drops were just as bad or worse than Arch's seven bad throws. That's two bad games in a row against Texas. Doesn't seem like the best player in CFB stuff. Certainly not the same level of scrutiny.

It’s not worse than Arch’s Uncle Rico throws, skipping balls off the turf. We did a good job defending Smith. Many of Arch’s misses were pretty unforced. 

[harveycmd]

1 minute ago, CHorn427 said:

It’s not worse than Arch’s Uncle Rico throws, skipping balls off the turf. We did a good job defending Smith. Many of Arch’s misses were pretty unforced. 

Bad throws are bad throws, but the drops were unforced errors too. For JJ, that was three out of ten. For Arch is was seven out of thirty. 

[CHorn427]

6 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

Bad throws are bad throws, but the drops were unforced errors too. For JJ, that was three out of ten. For Arch is was seven out of thirty. 

I think you’re gonna have a pretty hard time convincing anyone that Smith’s drops were as ugly or detrimental as Arch’s off passes in the early part of the game. 
 

If Smith would have dropped a long bomb for sure TD, a la Johntay Cook vs MState, that would have made waves. The drops he did have I’m sure annoyed Ohio State fans and I’m sure they think they would have blown us out if he would have just caught those, but they were fairly ho hum. Arch looked like a real amateur out there on his worst plays. There’s a difference 

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[harveycmd]

Just now, CHorn427 said:

I don’t think you’re gonna have a pretty hard time convincing anyone that Smith’s drops were as ugly or detrimental as Arch’s off passes in the early part of the game. 
 

If Smith would have dropped a long bomb for sure TD, a la Johntay Cook vs MState, that would have made waves. The drops he did have I’m sure annoyed Ohio State fans and I’m sure they think they would have blown us out if he would have just caught those, but they were fairly ho hum. Arch looked like a real amateur out there on his worst plays. There’s a difference 

To be clear, Arch is an amateur working his way to the pros. Did Arch miss wide open TDs? What about JJ's inability to create separation and consistently provide a good target? I mean, he couldn't beat a true freshman playing his first game. Convincing the demos doesn't count for much. This is empirical evidence. 

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12 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

To be clear, Arch is an amateur working his way to the pros. Did Arch miss wide open TDs? What about JJ's inability to create separation and consistently provide a good target? I mean, he couldn't beat a true freshman playing his first game. Convincing the demos doesn't count for much. This is empirical evidence. 

Arch’s worst plays were very bad (Uncle Rico esque). Smith’s worst plays were just bad. Smith is a true sophomore and Littleton is (maybe) the best freshman DB in the country. Not that crazy. Littleton very clearly made a great play. The pass was also put in a spot that made it difficult to catch. 

[harveycmd]

Just now, CHorn427 said:

Arch’s worst plays were very bad (Uncle Rico esque). Smith’s worst plays were just bad. Smith is a true sophomore and Littleton is (maybe) the best freshman DB in the country. Not that crazy. Littleton very clearly made a great play. The pass was also put in a spot that made it difficult to catch. 

Arch was playing in his first big road start matching wits with an NFL DC that he had no good way to gameplan for. OSU has some of the best defensive personnel in the country.

Arch flat out missed throws. JJ flat out dropped passes. There's not really a qualitative difference.