Sark/Herman

[Assistant Regional Manager]

25 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

it’s about observing what actually happens on the field. Results matter more than anecdotes unfortunately 

The irony of you saying “Results matter more than anecdotes” as you somehow try to spin Tom Herman’s tenure as anything but a failure.

Also, why weren’t you around here as much after the Oklahoma game? 

Edited 2 hours ago by Assistant Regional Manager

[Oldest Horn]

3 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Yes, Sark made two CFPs and that’s worth acknowledging. But context also matters. Under the old four team playoff system, Sark would have only made it once in five seasons. The other seasons, including this year, Texas wouldn’t have qualified. That’s the reality when you strip away expanded playoff slots, NIL advantages, and the transfer portal. Making two CFPs in an era stacked with modern advantages doesn’t erase the fact that the offense remains inconsistent, QBs underdeveloped, and the team lacking a clear identity offensively. 

So, infinitely more playoff appearances and conference championships, even under the four team playoff. 2x as many CCG appearances. Am I missing something?

[Oldest Horn]

3 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

The irony of you saying “Results matter more than anecdotes” as you somehow try to spin Tom Herman’s tenure as anything but a failure.

Imagine a “poor Tom Herman” thread back in 2019-20. I can’t!

 

[TexasLonghorns]

3 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

The irony of you saying “Results matter more than anecdotes” as you somehow try to spin Tom Herman’s tenure as anything but a failure.

Also, why weren’t you around here as much after the Oklahoma game? 

The point about results still stands, it’s about what actually happens on the field, not opinions or anecdotes. Herman’s failures are well documented, but context matters. Observables > opinions, always. Facts don’t require agreement.

 

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, TexasLonghorns said:

The point about results still stands, it’s about what actually happens on the field, not opinions or anecdotes. Herman’s failures are well documented, but context matters. Observables > opinions, always. Facts don’t require agreement.

 

Recruiting got worse every year and the 2021 class was barren. Those results?

[LILP]

19 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Yes, Sark made two CFPs and that’s worth acknowledging. But context also matters. Under the old four team playoff system, Sark would have only made it once in five seasons. The other seasons, including this year, Texas wouldn’t have qualified. That’s the reality when you strip away expanded playoff slots, NIL advantages, and the transfer portal. Making two CFPs in an era stacked with modern advantages doesn’t erase the fact that the offense remains inconsistent, QBs underdeveloped, and the team lacking a clear identity offensively. 

The Texas Longhorns have made back to black college football playoff appearances. This season they are certainly underwhelming with a horrific offensive line and mediocre quarterback and wide receiver play. They have a spectacular defense and an above average special teams. That’s where we are. Come on man this program is light years ahead of where it was under Herman if you’re upset Sark so be it what to even compare. The two is not the route to take.

[Assistant Regional Manager]

34 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

The point about results still stands, it’s about what actually happens on the field, not opinions or anecdotes. Herman’s failures are well documented, but context matters. Observables > opinions, always. Facts don’t require agreement.

 

I have no idea what any of that means, but it is certainly your opinion that Herman was “limited” here.

Edited 2 hours ago by Assistant Regional Manager

[TexasLonghorns]

15 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

I have no idea what any of that means, but it is certainly your opinion that Herman was “limited” here.

Calling it “my opinion” doesn’t make it less true and you don’t have to get it for it to still be a fact. Herman coached under a four team playoff, no NIL, no transfer portal, and no way to instantly fix roster holes. Those are verifiable realities, not feelings. Sark’s had all those advantages for five years yet the on field product hasn’t evolved. That’s not debate, that’s data.

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[LILP]

16 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Calling it “my opinion” doesn’t make it less true and you don’t have to get it for it to still be a fact. Herman coached under a four team playoff, no NIL, no transfer portal, and no way to instantly fix roster holes. Those are verifiable realities, not feelings. Sark’s had all those advantages for five years yet the on field product hasn’t evolved. That’s not debate, that’s data.

The product on the field hasn’t evolved?? They went 5-7, then 8-5 followed by back-to-back college football playoff appearances. Please explain to me how having a bad season two what is a new standard is not evolving could it simply just be a bad season? You’re clearly letting a bad start to a season cloud your judgment about the progress of this program or for whatever reason your not being very fond of its head coach.

[Assistant Regional Manager]

16 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Calling it “my opinion” doesn’t make it less true and you don’t have to get it for it to still be a fact. Herman coached under a four team playoff, no NIL, no transfer portal, and no way to instantly fix roster holes. Those are verifiable realities, not feelings. Sark’s had all those advantages for five years yet the on field product hasn’t evolved. That’s not debate, that’s data.

The on-field product, or “the results” or “facts” as you like to call them, have evolved just fine and took us from 5-7 to back to back top 4 finishes, big wins over our rivals, conference titles, etc. Something Herman could only dream about at this point in his career. 

You keep doing you. I know you will always have a response to everything and nothing will ever change your mind about this program. You constantly bagged on Herman, you constantly bag on Sark and you will drag whoever the next guy is too. Same in basketball. Same in baseball. That’s your DNA. Negativity and being contrarian. You are most active on here after any type of negative outcome, whether it be recruiting or on the field. It’s like clockwork.

[ribtips]

I kind of understand “winning is hard” in the sense that you can do a lot of things right within a game and still lose. Just look at what happened to Kentucky last night. They smothered the Texas offense and dominated time of possession, but they still lost.

The difference is that Herman seemed to use this as an excuse for consistently losing to Oklahoma State and Maryland. At least we actually won last night.

[LILP]

27 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

The on-field product, or “the results” or “facts” as you like to call them, have evolved just fine and took us from 5-7 to back to back top 4 finishes, big wins over our rivals, conference titles, etc. Something Herman could only dream about at this point in his career. 

You keep doing you. I know you will always have a response to everything and nothing will ever change your mind about this program. You constantly bagged on Herman, you constantly bag on Sark and you will drag whoever the next guy is too. Same in basketball. Same in baseball. That’s your DNA. Negativity and being contrarian. You are most active on here after any type of negative outcome, whether it be recruiting or on the field. It’s like clockwork.

Most negative people consume doom and gloom information throughout the day in some capacity therefore that is the lens with they view things. 

Edited 1 hour ago by LILP

[Bobby Burton]

Is this a serious conversation about Herman v Sark?

If so, surely you’re just trying to pull peoples chain.

[TexasLonghorns]

30 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

The on-field product, or “the results” or “facts” as you like to call them, have evolved just fine and took us from 5-7 to back to back top 4 finishes, big wins over our rivals, conference titles, etc. Something Herman could only dream about at this point in his career. 

You keep doing you. I know you will always have a response to everything and nothing will ever change your mind about this program. You constantly bagged on Herman, you constantly bag on Sark and you will drag whoever the next guy is too. Same in basketball. Same in baseball. That’s your DNA. Negativity and being contrarian. You are most active on here after any type of negative outcome, whether it be recruiting or on the field. It’s like clockwork.

When someone starts making it personal, it usually means they’ve run out of real arguments. I’m not “negative,” I’m focused on results and those results still don’t match the resources Sark’s had. Going from 5–7 to the playoff with NIL, the portal, and a top 5 roster every year isn’t the same as building from scratch without those tools. The same issues stagnant offense, QB regression, and no clear identity are still there.

And to be clear, the claim about multiple conference “titles” is misleading. Sark won the Big 12 once and made the SEC Championship game once. Claiming “titles” implies dominance that hasn’t actually happened. That’s reality, and it stands regardless of the personal insults you throw.

Unless I’m misremembering, weren’t conference titles and semi final playoff appearances only supposed to “count” if you actually won them? That’s the line we used to tell OU fans back in the Herman days. Seems like the standards have conveniently changed.

[TexasLonghorns]

10 minutes ago, Bobby Burton said:

Is this a serious conversation about Herman v Sark?

If so, surely you’re just trying to pull peoples chain.

This conversation started with comparing Herman never sniffing the playoffs to Sark in terms of results and context. I’m here to discuss observable outcomes, not to pull anyone’s chain. NIL, the transfer portal, and top tier recruiting have changed what’s expected from Texas coaches. I appreciate everyone keeping the discussion respectful and focused on the facts, with the exception of those who resort to personal jabs. 

Edited 47 minutes ago by TexasLonghorns

[Bobby Burton]

9 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

This conversation started with comparing Herman never sniffing the playoffs to Sark in terms of results and context. I’m here to discuss observable outcomes, not to pull anyone’s chain. NIL, the transfer portal, and top tier recruiting have changed what’s expected from Texas coaches. I appreciate everyone keeping the discussion respectful and focused on the facts, with the exception of those who resort to personal jabs. 

Well, pulling people’s chains is exactly what you’re doing by having this “discussion”.

It’s flawed, entirely.

Of course the two coaches operated under different times, etc.

But debating the level of success, regardless of the context, is what actually matters. And in that, there is no reasonable comparison. 

[TexasLonghorns]

7 minutes ago, Bobby Burton said:

Well, pulling people’s chains is exactly what you’re doing by having this “discussion”.

It’s flawed, entirely.

Of course the two coaches operated under different times, etc.

But debating the level of success, regardless of the context, is what actually matters. And in that, there is no reasonable comparison. 

Just to be clear,  I’m not arguing Herman was better than Sark. My point is about context: Herman never had NIL, the transfer portal, or the ability to cherry pick experienced elite players to fill gaps in the roster. Those tools drastically change roster construction and depth, which makes comparing “never sniffed the playoffs” without acknowledging them misleading. Sark has had all those advantages for five years, yet many issues on offense and lack of QB development remain

Adding context to a discussion board isn’t flawed logic, even if it’s not popular. I’ll leave it here. My points are fact based, focused on observable results, and stand regardless of personal opinions or attacks. For anyone genuinely interested in a data driven discussion, the evidence is clear.

[TexasHorn2801]

3 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Just to be clear,  I’m not arguing Herman was better than Sark. My point is about context: Herman never had NIL, the transfer portal, or the ability to cherry pick experienced elite players to fill gaps in the roster. Those tools drastically change roster construction and depth, which makes comparing “never sniffed the playoffs” without acknowledging them misleading. Sark has had all those advantages for five years, yet many issues on offense and lack of QB development remain

Adding context to a discussion board isn’t flawed logic, even if it’s not popular. I’ll leave it here. My points are fact based, focused on observable results, and stand regardless of personal opinions or attacks. For anyone genuinely interested in a data driven discussion, the evidence is clear.

I agree Herman was not a good coach but it’s inexcusable for Sark to have an Herman-esque season with the resources available today. But I think the truth is that Texas needs to stop hiring coaches with skeletons in the closet, and get high class proven commodities.