harveycmd Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 19 hours ago, pinkman_90 said: So those are your requirements for a great player? 3+ nba titles, multiple first teams, and multiple defensive teams? What does the word great mean? If you throw out terms like "great player" and "generational leader," then high criteria must be met. Three all NBA first teams and a couple of any level all defensive teams aren't exactly rarified air. I mean, there are scores of players who have done that in NBA history. Quote
pinkman_90 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 3 hours ago, harveycmd said: What does the word great mean? If you throw out terms like "great player" and "generational leader," then high criteria must be met. Three all NBA first teams and a couple of any level all defensive teams aren't exactly rarified air. I mean, there are scores of players who have done that in NBA history. Now add to that leading your team to 3+ nba titles? What’s that list of players look like? Also with your criteria guess we have to leave off KD, Steph, Nash, Barkley, Dirk, etc. from the “great” players list. Edited 3 hours ago by pinkman_90 Quote
harveycmd Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) The list is limited, but great is by definition exclusive: Bill Russell Kareem Jordan Magic Kobe Shaq Pippen Duncan LeBron Havlicek Edited 3 hours ago by harveycmd Quote
harveycmd Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago There's a difference between great and all-time great. Nash, Nowitzki aren't either one. Without the 2001 rule changes, Steph isn't either. I'm indifferent on Barkley. Quote
Dread-headed Texan Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, harveycmd said: There's a difference between great and all-time great. Nash, Nowitzki aren't either one. Without the 2001 rule changes, Steph isn't either. I'm indifferent on Barkley. Great and generational gets thrown out far too much. Caitlin Clark was termed great and generational before she ever touched a WNBA floor and the more she plays the more we see the holes in her game. She doesn't have a left hand, a dribble package, can't get downhill without a screen... But she's polarizing and popular, however sports is about hardware and she has nothing. Give me Chelsea Gray and Olivia Miles as top point guards in the league. 1 Quote
harveycmd Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, Dread-headed Texan said: Great and generational gets thrown out far too much. Caitlin Clark was termed great and generational before she ever touched a WNBA floor and the more she plays the more we see the holes in her game. She doesn't have a left hand, a dribble package, can't get downhill without a screen... But she's polarizing and popular, however sports is about hardware and she has nothing. Give me Chelsea Gray and Olivia Miles as top point guards in the league. That's exactly the problem; it's media driven more often than not these days. First Knicks title in 53 years and New York media goes nuts, to say nothing of their fans. Brunson is a good player and a good leader, but that doesn't make him great in either category. I've never understood the Clark the stuff. I know I can't stand seeing her on every other commercial that pops up. Quote
harveycmd Posted 8 minutes ago Posted 8 minutes ago (edited) I've posted this before, but it's worth posting again for those that don't really know much about basketball history. Most combined all NBA First Team and all NBA Defense First team combined. Player All NBA First team All NBA First Team Defense Total Kobe 11 9 20 Jordan 10 9 19 LeBron 13 5 18 Duncan 10 8 18 Kareem 10 5 15 Jerry West 10 4 14 Garnett 4 9 13 Malone 11 1 12 Pippen 3 8 11 Payton 2 9 11 Shaq 8 3 11 Edited 3 minutes ago by harveycmd Quote
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