Locking Horns

[bevocbs]

6 hours ago, diegozanna20 said:

That's exactly my point though, he clearly was if you actually look at the film and see how fast he's coming off of reads and how his feet are moving but what I'm saying is that even though he was seeing ghosts (Sark said so) he didn't let that permeate through the team and he didn't let that make him make bad decisions.
I'm saying this as a compliment to Arch actually... if this is what Arch looks like rattled (And he had every right to be rattled after the way we started the game) the rest of the year he can be absolutely scary.

Again pretty far to be rattled... fumble, dropped 60+ yard TD, dropped TD who wouldn't think the nightmare that was last year was about to happen again? It wasn't last year where he was rattled just from the enviroment or the defense this time it was just a lot of unfortunate to begin the game

I think my definition of rattled is different than yours. And I disagree that Arch wasn't seeing the field. I think Arch got overly cautious because of the early turnovers. Especially through the first half, I think he knew that one more turnover would likely effectively end the game, and he was content to live for another play. I think we can all agree that he was TOO cautious and should have made a lot of those throws. But I don't consider that rattled.

In the second half, and particularly the 4th quarter, I think he saw the same things he had been seeing, but had no choice but to let it rip. 

Overall, I would grade him out somewhere between 7 and 8.

Biggest trap game for me is probably Missouri, but most likely L is probably LSU.

Biggest concern is turnovers.

[diegozanna20]

6 minutes ago, bevocbs said:

I think my definition of rattled is different than yours. And I disagree that Arch wasn't seeing the field. I think Arch got overly cautious because of the early turnovers. Especially through the first half, I think he knew that one more turnover would likely effectively end the game, and he was content to live for another play. I think we can all agree that he was TOO cautious and should have made a lot of those throws. But I don't consider that rattled.

There were throws that he left out there that were very open and very safe to throw that he should have thrown...
I think we're kind of saying the same thing but you're probably getting a worse connotation off of me saying he was "rattled" and "not seeing the field well"...
If we're grading off of what average QBs would have done then yeah he was really good given the circumstances (I think an average QB in that situation would've completely crumbled and became erratic by either becoming wildly inaccurate or throwing a bunch of picks) but given that he's regarded (rightly so, because of his tools) as a top pick in the draft I think we can expect more from Arch cause he has all the tools and more to do so and can always get better... so my criticism isn't really about defining him as a player cause we all know what he can do, it's just about critcising his performance in this particular game.

TDLR: There were throws that weren't risky that he should've made and I completely get him getting conservative and that affecting his decision making but we're talking about a guy who I think has the tools, weapons and play caller to not only get drafted #1 but also win the Heisman, so I'm judging and grading off of that. We all know what he can do in general but to unlock the next level he needs to do it every play every game and he can.