Nederlandboy42 Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 I think the message boards, comment sections, and even the guys are mistaken about Jaydon Blue’s ceiling as an inside zone runner. It’s not like he was getting arm tackled left and right last year. He has very thick legs, and you didn’t see Jonathan Brooks, the best inside zone runner in college football last year, blowing up linebackers in the hole. Inside zone is about acceleration through the hole and running through arm tackles, and I think he’s elite at one and pretty damn good at the other. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas fan in Georgia Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Ask sark his opinion and if he agrees with you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nederlandboy42 Posted August 7 Author Share Posted August 7 I will say that he might need 2-4 fewer touches on it on average each game because of the weight and possible injuries, but I think he’ll be effective in the inside zone runs he does get, and Gibson can pick up the slack if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nederlandboy42 Posted August 7 Author Share Posted August 7 2 minutes ago, Texas fan in Georgia said: Ask sark his opinion and if he agrees with you Well Sark’s scheme up to this point had CJ Baxter in mind as RB 1 and I do think he’s better at inside zone and if you can have that you can afford to have Jaydon Blue as a crazily effective utility back. I’m just saying people are talking like Jaydon Blue can’t do it and I’m here to tell you he’s gonna be above average at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nederlandboy42 Posted August 7 Author Share Posted August 7 Just now, Nederlandboy42 said: Well Sark’s scheme up to this point had CJ Baxter in mind as RB 1 and I do think he’s better at inside zone and if you can have that you can afford to have Jaydon Blue as a crazily effective utility back. I’m just saying people are talking like Jaydon Blue can’t do it and I’m here to tell you he’s gonna be above average at it. Just 1 step down from CJ Baxter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nederlandboy42 Posted August 7 Author Share Posted August 7 I’m much more worried about the pass protection than I am on inside running. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkates Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 The idea that some have put forth that Baxter was our only inside zone option is silly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snugsie Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 We don't need our best rb running inside zone like we planned to do with Baxter. Then we are going to be on our third string rb and everyone knows we need to throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threepacballer Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 (edited) X Edited August 8 by Threepacballer Wrong thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerky Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Jaydon Blue as a junior in HS.....227 carries for 2,155 yds. 9.5 ypc. That was a good season. Year 3 in the TX program. Blue is bigger, stronger and still very fast. Agree, Blue is capable of inside zone....and more. Must protect the QB and the ball. Then Sark will feed Blue the ball. We still need to be wise and limit his touches in some games if others can step up. Blue is capable of having 1,800+ all purpose yards. Such a weapon in space as a running back and out of the backfield in the passing game. HOOK EM BLUE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinncent McManning, Jr. Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 The problem with inside zone is that blue can run it and he runs it with the intent of a bigger back. Once he gets planted once by a 330 pound lineman in the sec we will be down to wisner and 2 freshmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkates Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Some of you guys seem completely unfamiliar with how inside zone works. Oregon has killed teams with it for years and did plenty of it with small fast backs. The play depends more on the OL than the back. The back needs to press the LOS and look for daylight, including the cutback. I coached RBs the past 2 years and ran inside zone successfully with different types of guys. It isn't a play that only Baxter can run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveycmd Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 1 hour ago, jkates said: Some of you guys seem completely unfamiliar with how inside zone works. Oregon has killed teams with it for years and did plenty of it with small fast backs. The play depends more on the OL than the back. The back needs to press the LOS and look for daylight, including the cutback. I coached RBs the past 2 years and ran inside zone successfully with different types of guys. It isn't a play that only Baxter can run. I don't see any reason why Blue can't be really effective running inside zone. Remember, Baxter had trouble reading the hole in inside zone last season. Further, if Sark's pass protections are so complicated that only one out of five RBs can do it, then he probably needs to change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_Batronic Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 2 hours ago, jkates said: Some of you guys seem completely unfamiliar with how inside zone works. Oregon has killed teams with it for years and did plenty of it with small fast backs. The play depends more on the OL than the back. The back needs to press the LOS and look for daylight, including the cutback. I coached RBs the past 2 years and ran inside zone successfully with different types of guys. It isn't a play that only Baxter can run. It’s a play that Baxter probably runs better than Blue or Wisner. Also, running it from 12 personnel with everyone and their mother on defense close to the LOS is different than running it spread out with smaller bodies defending lighter boxes. Blanket statements that other posters believe that X or Y can’t run a play are misleading. We probably don’t want to try to make a living running Tre Wisner at the guard’s backside in 12 personnel in the SEC. Or in Ann Arbor. And that affects our RPO game. This isn’t crazy talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted August 8 Moderators Share Posted August 8 Good topic for sure. It’s not that Blue can’t do it, but it’s not going to be maximizing his ability/touches, and the idea was for Texas to have Baxter and Blue play off of each other to their strengths and stress the defense in multiple ways from the RB position. Texas plan was not to have Blue eating up his touches between the tackles, which is not his strength as a RB if you want to maximize him. We were going to see more two back personnel this season with Baxter as the RB and Blue a speedy playmaker that Sark could move all around and work favorable matchups in the passing game with Blue. Texas will have to make adjustments with some of the plan with the Baxter injury. Sark is just going to have to make changes to the plans for maximizing this team/offense now … plenty of talent to work with, but the top three RB’s headed into the season (Baxter, Blue and Wisner) weren’t just plug and play - in terms of the plan this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nederlandboy42 Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 10 hours ago, Bobby_Batronic said: It’s a play that Baxter probably runs better than Blue or Wisner. Also, running it from 12 personnel with everyone and their mother on defense close to the LOS is different than running it spread out with smaller bodies defending lighter boxes. Blanket statements that other posters believe that X or Y can’t run a play are misleading. We probably don’t want to try to make a living running Tre Wisner at the guard’s backside in 12 personnel in the SEC. Or in Ann Arbor. And that affects our RPO game. This isn’t crazy talk. Tre Wisner looked really effective in his minimal time and a ton of that came off backside zone though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nederlandboy42 Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 5 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said: Good topic for sure. It’s not that Blue can’t do it, but it’s not going to be maximizing his ability/touches, and the idea was for Texas to have Baxter and Blue play off of each other to their strengths and stress the defense in multiple ways from the RB position. Texas plan was not to have Blue eating up his touches between the tackles, which is not his strength as a RB if you want to maximize him. We were going to see more two back personnel this season with Baxter as the RB and Blue a speedy playmaker that Sark could move all around and work favorable matchups in the passing game with Blue. Texas will have to make adjustments with some of the plan with the Baxter injury. Sark is just going to have to make changes to the plans for maximizing this team/offense now … plenty of talent to work with, but the top three RB’s headed into the season (Baxter, Blue and Wisner) weren’t just plug and play - in terms of the plan this season I completely agree I’m just saying I’m much more worried about lead blocking and pass protection than I am about inside zone work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raistlin Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 18 hours ago, Nederlandboy42 said: I think the message boards, comment sections, and even the guys are mistaken about Jaydon Blue’s ceiling as an inside zone runner. It’s not like he was getting arm tackled left and right last year. He has very thick legs, and you didn’t see Jonathan Brooks, the best inside zone runner in college football last year, blowing up linebackers in the hole. Inside zone is about acceleration through the hole and running through arm tackles, and I think he’s elite at one and pretty damn good at the other. The problem with Blue is that, if he takes most of Baxter’s inside zones carries, he will almost certainly get injured over the course of a long season. Someone like Gibson must handle most of Baxter’s inside zone carries. Let Blue and Wiesner do what they do best on 12-15 touches per game. More than that and you are looking for trouble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raistlin Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 6 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said: Good topic for sure. It’s not that Blue can’t do it, but it’s not going to be maximizing his ability/touches, and the idea was for Texas to have Baxter and Blue play off of each other to their strengths and stress the defense in multiple ways from the RB position. Texas plan was not to have Blue eating up his touches between the tackles, which is not his strength as a RB if you want to maximize him. We were going to see more two back personnel this season with Baxter as the RB and Blue a speedy playmaker that Sark could move all around and work favorable matchups in the passing game with Blue. Texas will have to make adjustments with some of the plan with the Baxter injury. Sark is just going to have to make changes to the plans for maximizing this team/offense now … plenty of talent to work with, but the top three RB’s headed into the season (Baxter, Blue and Wisner) weren’t just plug and play - in terms of the plan this season Sark should not make majors adjustments to his 2024 game plan. Gibson can handle a large portion of Baxter’s inside zone and short yardage carries. Sark just called Gibson a “workhorse.” Play Blue the way you intended to play Blue and get the most out of him. Don’t let Baxter’s injury beat us twice by moving Blue into a position that does not fit his skill set. No need to panic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raistlin Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Gerry, by the way, I just heard your assessment of Gibson on Coffee and Football and I thought that it was spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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