CHorn427 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 My definition of “unmitigated success”: improvement from one season to the next. - Won 13 games this year, 12 last year - Beat all three of our rivals - Lost to 0 teams we “should have beat” this year (We lost to an inferior OU team last year; UGA or the teams left in the CFP are not inferior) - Even though we didn’t win our conference, we have beaten two P4 conference champions in the playoffs (including the champion of the conference we just left). Even if we lose the next game, it’s possible (and even likely) that we will be the only team to do that this season. Ohio State is the only other team with a shot to match- if they meet and beat UGA. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bourbasted Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I don't think there's any way to say a 13-win season isn't a success. It's been a great year so far, BUT, I'd bet if you ask anyone on the team if they're happy with where they sit they wouldn't be. The biggest goal is still there for us. 2 more wins, baby! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHorn427 Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 5 minutes ago, bourbasted said: I don't think there's any way to say a 13-win season isn't a success. It's been a great year so far, BUT, I'd bet if you ask anyone on the team if they're happy with where they sit they wouldn't be. The biggest goal is still there for us. 2 more wins, baby! Of course, we definitely wouldn’t want the team to be content. I’m just saying, win/lose/draw from here on out- this season is without question a success in my eyes. It was close! IMO, the whole season would have been an embarrassing failure if we lost to ASU. It would have been the most embarrassing way to end a season that I’ve witnessed in my lifetime. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunk Moreland Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 In the expanded playoff era, making the semifinals becomes the minimum bar for a successful season. It’s the equivalent IMO of making a sweet sixteen (or maybe elite eight?) in CBB. It’s not the ultimate goal, but I think coaches and programs will begin to be measured by whether or not they make the final four. So, yes, this season is an unmitigated success. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bourbasted Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, CHorn427 said: Of course, we definitely wouldn’t want the team to be content. I’m just saying, win/lose/draw from here on out- this season is without question a success in my eyes. It was close! IMO, the whole season would have been an embarrassing failure if we lost to ASU. It would have been the most embarrassing way to end a season that I’ve witnessed in my lifetime. Well, maybe. You could have not made the playoffs and lost to Navy, USC or Michigan... 😉 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted January 2 Moderators Share Posted January 2 7 hours ago, CHorn427 said: My definition of “unmitigated success”: improvement from one season to the next. - Won 13 games this year, 12 last year - Beat all three of our rivals - Lost to 0 teams we “should have beat” this year (We lost to an inferior OU team last year; UGA or the teams left in the CFP are not inferior) - Even though we didn’t win our conference, we have beaten two P4 conference champions in the playoffs (including the champion of the conference we just left). Even if we lose the next game, it’s possible (and even likely) that we will be the only team to do that this season. Ohio State is the only other team with a shot to match- if they meet and beat UGA. I agree 100%. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watty7796 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 How do you define success. Yes one more game in the W column but more games played as well. The top 4 is where Texas finished last year, and if they do not win the next game they finish at the same spot. Don't get me wrong I am glad to see Texas in the top 4 again and it's huge for recruiting, and it illustrates Texas consistency in development...Success is a good debate tho vs expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinncent McManning, Jr. Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, watty7796 said: How do you define success. Yes one more game in the W column but more games played as well. The top 4 is where Texas finished last year, and if they do not win the next game they finish at the same spot. Don't get me wrong I am glad to see Texas in the top 4 again and it's huge for recruiting, and it illustrates Texas consistency in development...Success is a good debate tho vs expectations. I think you just have to be in the conversation for being elite every year. Georgia took years to finally conquer Bama and take the mantle. We may not win it all this year, but we are set up for long term success and kids want to come visit us. I see that per 247, the #1 safety out of Bishop Gorman wants to visit Texas now. We are getting kids from all over the country wanting to see what we are about, and that is how you build an elite program. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnt Orange Horn Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 1/1/2025 at 11:52 PM, CHorn427 said: My definition of “unmitigated success”: improvement from one season to the next. - Won 13 games this year, 12 last year - Beat all three of our rivals - Lost to 0 teams we “should have beat” this year (We lost to an inferior OU team last year; UGA or the teams left in the CFP are not inferior) - Even though we didn’t win our conference, we have beaten two P4 conference champions in the playoffs (including the champion of the conference we just left). Even if we lose the next game, it’s possible (and even likely) that we will be the only team to do that this season. Ohio State is the only other team with a shot to match- if they meet and beat UGA. .... should have beaten ..... It is a strong verb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHorn427 Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 On 1/2/2025 at 7:12 PM, watty7796 said: How do you define success. Yes one more game in the W column but more games played as well. The top 4 is where Texas finished last year, and if they do not win the next game they finish at the same spot. Don't get me wrong I am glad to see Texas in the top 4 again and it's huge for recruiting, and it illustrates Texas consistency in development...Success is a good debate tho vs expectations. Even if we lose to Ohio State, the only teams we will have lost to this season are teams that just have a higher talent composite than us. Per 247 talent composite, Alabama (1), UGA (2) and tOSU (3) are currently the only teams with a higher composite than us. This could be the first season since 2009 that we don’t lose to a team that has a lower talent composite than us (i.e. “teams we should beat”) and I consider that a success. However, there is still the possibility that we beat Ohio State and lose to the winner on the other side, in which case we will have lost to a team with a lower composite. I would still consider that a success from showing improvement in making it to the finals. The outlook from here is win-win in my eyes. Before we can be the team that can beat everyone, we need to be a team that can at least not succumb to less talented teams. And we will likely achieve that this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watty7796 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, CHorn427 said: Even if we lose to Ohio State, the only teams we will have lost to this season are teams that just have a higher talent composite than us. Per 247 talent composite, Alabama (1), UGA (2) and tOSU (3) are currently the only teams with a higher composite than us. This could be the first season since 2009 that we don’t lose to a team that has a lower talent composite than us (i.e. “teams we should beat”) and I consider that a success. However, there is still the possibility that we beat Ohio State and lose to the winner on the other side, in which case we will have lost to a team with a lower composite. I would still consider that a success from showing improvement in making it to the finals. The outlook from here is win-win in my eyes. Before we can be the team that can beat everyone, we need to be a team that can at least not succumb to less talented teams. And we will likely achieve that this year. While I agree with most of what you said, I would have liked to see a more consistent offense with an identity. IMHO Texas has the most experienced and top to bottom best offensive line. There have been quite a few games that I was scratching my head at the issues there specifically picking up blitzes. I've also been perplexed at some of the play calling. There have been way to many 3 and outs and turnovers in our own end of the field. That has added extra pressure on the defense that should not have been there. It was glaring in the ASU game. Further it's been frustrating with the procedure penalties that have put us behind the chains. We have not played a complete 4 quarter all phases game thos year. While we won those games minus UGA, it was because of the talent gap mostly with some luck sprinkled in. I'll give credit that Texas has played when they had to. All I'm saying is it sure would be nice if they played to potential. I am critical but I'm also a fan. I'm proud of this team but I don't think they have been their best yet this year. Hopefully the next 2 games will shut me up. Hook Em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horns96 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 1/2/2025 at 12:06 AM, CHorn427 said: IMO, the whole season would have been an embarrassing failure if we lost to ASU. It would have been the most embarrassing way to end a season that I’ve witnessed in my lifetime. Let me take you a trip to 2014.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bierce Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Unmitigated mean absolute, unqualified, or not softened or lessened. We lost twice to the only team we played that is likely to finish in the top ten. So, yeah, it's a success, but it's mitigated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevo92 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, watty7796 said: While I agree with most of what you said, I would have liked to see a more consistent offense with an identity. IMHO Texas has the most experienced and top to bottom best offensive line. There have been quite a few games that I was scratching my head at the issues there specifically picking up blitzes. I've also been perplexed at some of the play calling. There have been way to many 3 and outs and turnovers in our own end of the field. That has added extra pressure on the defense that should not have been there. It was glaring in the ASU game. Further it's been frustrating with the procedure penalties that have put us behind the chains. We have not played a complete 4 quarter all phases game thos year. While we won those games minus UGA, it was because of the talent gap mostly with some luck sprinkled in. I'll give credit that Texas has played when they had to. All I'm saying is it sure would be nice if they played to potential. I am critical but I'm also a fan. I'm proud of this team but I don't think they have been their best yet this year. Hopefully the next 2 games will shut me up. Hook Em Well said. Think about what this team would have looked like against Georgia with a healthy CJ Baxter. Losing CJ for the season was a massive blow yet incredibly impressive what TW and JB have accomplished in the backfield. Sark has had to modify ‘the script’ many times without having a strong downhill running attack. That’s had some impact on the team reaching potential with consistent offense IMHO Edited January 5 by Bevo92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uthorn1374 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Would you all trade places with Georgia for the SEC championship? Or Would Georgia trade places with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHorn427 Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, horns96 said: Let me take you a trip to 2014.... I’m not forgetting about 2014. Finishing this season with a choking loss to ASU would have been a much more embarrassing end to the season than 2014 because of expectation and context. We were not expected to amount to anything in 2014 and amount to anything we did not. Winning an exhibition vs Arkansas to move to 7-6 rather than 6-7 is incredibly low stakes. This year we were expected to compete for a national title while ASU was expected to finish last in the Big12 (a conference we just left while THINKING we got the last laugh). If we would have lost that game it would have been catastrophic. That is the type of loss that would stick with us til the end of time. I bet the vast majority of people that aren’t Texas fans don’t remember how 2014 ended for us off the top of their head. EVERYONE would have remembered that we lost to ASU in 2024 if that happened. Would have probably shot to #1 on the highest profile loss of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHorn427 Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 45 minutes ago, uthorn1374 said: Would you all trade places with Georgia for the SEC championship? Or Would Georgia trade places with us? By trade places with us, do you mean a place in the final 4, mostly healthy team, starting QB with a shot against tOSU? Chances of winning the national title still on the line? If UGA wouldn’t want to trade places with us, they have adopted a loser’s mentality and their time at the top is truly over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHorn427 Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, watty7796 said: While I agree with most of what you said, I would have liked to see a more consistent offense with an identity. IMHO Texas has the most experienced and top to bottom best offensive line. There have been quite a few games that I was scratching my head at the issues there specifically picking up blitzes. I've also been perplexed at some of the play calling. There have been way too many 3 and outs and turnovers in our own end of the field. That has added extra pressure on the defense that should not have been there. It was glaring in the ASU game. Further it's been frustrating with the procedure penalties that have put us behind the chains. We have not played a complete 4 quarter all phases game thos year. While we won those games minus UGA, it was because of the talent gap mostly with some luck sprinkled in. I'll give credit that Texas has played when they had to. All I'm saying is it sure would be nice if they played to potential. I am critical but I'm also a fan. I'm proud of this team but I don't think they have been their best yet this year. Hopefully the next 2 games will shut me up. Hook Em You’re essentially saying that you would have liked it to have been prettier for us this year. Of course I agree with that. However, I’m encouraged that we can actually win ugly. Every CFB dynasty I’ve ever seen starts with winning ugly first before the talent really starts filling out and things start getting pretty. I think we’re at the stage where we’re not losing to teams we shouldn’t lose to, now we just need to get to the level where we’re playing polished enough games where we can beat the really good teams that have equal or somewhat better talent than us. And dominate the teams that we clearly outmatch. With Arch and the #1 2025 class in the nation on deck I don’t think we could be more primed to take that next step next year. Edited January 5 by CHorn427 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHorn427 Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, bierce said: Unmitigated mean absolute, unqualified, or not softened or lessened. We lost twice to the only team we played that is likely to finish in the top ten. So, yeah, it's a success, but it's mitigated. I don’t personally care. The win was there to be had the second time we played them. We definitely progressed in the two game series from being mostly non-competitive in the first game to going toe to toe and outgaining UGA in the second game. I did not expect us to beat UGA or win the SEC this year. That would have been phenomenal and exceeding expectations for me. Us winning the SEC would have been the first time a newcomer won the conference since the first year of the SEC (when everyone was a newcomer). That clearly would have been exceeding expectations. Still an unmitigated success, especially since we made the final 4 and UGA did not. Not to mention we will finish as the only program to beat two P4 champs no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watty7796 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 hours ago, CHorn427 said: You’re essentially saying that you would have liked it to have been prettier for us this year. Of course I agree with that. However, I’m encouraged that we can actually win ugly. Every CFB dynasty I’ve ever seen starts with winning ugly first before the talent really starts filling out and things start getting pretty. I think we’re at the stage where we’re not losing to teams we shouldn’t lose to, now we just need to get to the level where we’re playing polished enough games where we can beat the really good teams that have equal or somewhat better talent than us. And dominate the teams that we clearly outmatch. With Arch and the #1 2025 class in the nation on deck I don’t think we could be more primed to take that next step next year. Actually what I was trying to say is we have not to this point played to potential. Further we have been undisciplined with MEs making what should be easier games difficult. It just about cost us against ASU, and did cost us against UGA. I would say that this season has been a success, but to this juncture an unmitigated success is a stretch. That's not to say unmitigated is unattainable because there is at least 1 more game to be played. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnt Orange Horn Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 1/1/2025 at 11:52 PM, CHorn427 said: My definition of “unmitigated success”: improvement from one season to the next. - Won 13 games this year, 12 last year - Beat all three of our rivals - Lost to 0 teams we 2 minutes ago, watty7796 said: Actually what I was trying to say is we have not to this point played to potential. Further we have been undisciplined with MEs making what should be easier games difficult. It just about cost us against ASU, and did cost us against UGA. I would say that this season has been a success, but to this juncture an unmitigated success is a stretch. That's not to say unmitigated is unattainable because there is at least 1 more game to be played. When Potential = Perfect, it is seldom attained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashtag Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Sark says championships are the standard. I’d say we had a really good season but if we don’t get a championship it’s just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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