Hoops: Texas at South Carolina Game Thread

[harveycmd]

9 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

Rodney’s rehab for off the court transgressions isn’t what I was discussing. 
Sadly, it appears you’re in deep need of clarification. 

The confusion is about contemporary politically correct standards and competence coaching college sports. I'm not confused about the two. I'm not confused about the disposition of eternal souls. Like Sark, Beard didn't commit an unforgivable eternal sin. Media crap doesn't cloud my judgment on such matters. Do you need rehab?

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[Oldest Horn]

1 minute ago, harveycmd said:

The confusion is about contemporary politically correct standards and competence coaching college sports. I'm not confused about the two. I'm not confused about the disposition of eternal souls. Like Sark, Beard didn't commit an unforgivable eternal sin. Media crap doesn't cloud my judgment on such matters. Do you need rehab?

Did Beard admit his transgression, then seek help and forgiveness? 
 

Last I checked one admitted their sins to order to seek forgiveness. 

[harveycmd]

Just now, Oldest Horn said:

Did Beard admit his transgression, then seek help and forgiveness? 
 

Last I checked one admitted their sins to order to seek forgiveness. 

That's up to him. Charges were dropped. I don't know about his transgressions. You don't either. CDC doesn't know for sure. Again, he's not guilty until proven innocent. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't maim anyone. 

[Oldest Horn]

1 minute ago, harveycmd said:

That's up to him. Charges were dropped. I don't know about his transgressions. You don't either. CDC doesn't know for sure. Again, he's not guilty until proven innocent. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't maim anyone. 

So how do you know if they’re forgivable or not? Or what the appropriate penance is?

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[pinkman_90]

I made the effort to stop arguing with the DV sympathizer.  It was tough but think it should be left alone.  It was two years ago.  

[harveycmd]

Just now, Oldest Horn said:

So how do you know if they’re forgivable or not?

I can't prove a negative. You can't either. We don't know for sure what happened. 

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, harveycmd said:

I can't prove a negative. You can't either. We don't know for sure what happened. 

Point is if you have no idea what he did you shouldn’t be in a position to determine forgiveness or punishment. 

[GoHorns1]

6 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

That's up to him. Charges were dropped. I don't know about his transgressions. You don't either. CDC doesn't know for sure. Again, he's not guilty until proven innocent. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't maim anyone. 

Breads behavior was a fireable offense with cause per his contract. Bread never challenge the firing says enough.

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[harveycmd]

Just now, Oldest Horn said:

Point is if you have no idea what he did you shouldn’t be in a position to determine forgiveness or punishment. 

That's true, but he was punished by the Texas administration because they were worried about political backlash. And again, since when is the standard that we just assume we must punish without definitive evidence? Common sense plays a role, but we have nothing there to determine Beard's culpability in this case. 

[bierce]

I don't think it was just the felony arrest that caused Beard to be fired.  I can't prove it, but there were rumors about Trew and his relationship with Trew being a problem in Lubbock.  I suspect he was hired with the understanding that he needed to keep everything under control in his life, whether by letting her go or otherwise keeping everything under control. 

Things got out of control.  You don't pay a guy $5M a year to bring his problems to the program.   

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, harveycmd said:

That's true, but he was punished by the Texas administration because they were worried about political backlash. And again, since when is the standard that we just assume we must punish without definitive evidence? Common sense plays a role, but we have nothing there to determine Beard's culpability in this case. 

Or, they had a situation where a high profile, highly paid employee who, based on their investigation, committed domestic violence, and fired him for cause.
 

I don’t know what politics would have created a different outcome. 

[TexasFanatic]

2 hours ago, harveycmd said:

Then why did CDC hire him?

Texas was just coming off the bs Eyes of Texas issue and you can’t replace the black coach who took over for the white coach who choked his Fiancé and took them to the elite 8.

If he did a certain mob would have come for CDC. 
 

Timing and race 100% factored into the decision. 
 

The next coach, CDC can now fully vet. Whether that is Ivy, Miller, Wade, Oats, etc… I just want to win and have the coach represent Texas with success and honor 

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[harveycmd]

Just now, Oldest Horn said:

Or, they had a situation where a high profile, highly paid employee who, based on their investigation, committed domestic violence, and fired him for cause.
 

I don’t know what politics would have created a different outcome. 

You're saying their investigation superseded the statements of the parties involved? Again, charges were recanted and dropped. I didn't know CDC was clairvoyant. 

[GoHorns1]

2 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

Or, they had a situation where a high profile, highly paid employee who, based on their investigation, committed domestic violence, and fired him for cause.
 

I don’t know what politics would have created a different outcome. 

Domestic violence is a fireable offense with cause for any coach at the University of Texas.

[harveycmd]

1 minute ago, GoHorns1 said:

Domestic violence is a fireable offense with cause for any coach at the University of Texas.

We seem to be dealing with CNN here. Was domestic violence proven?

[Oldest Horn]

2 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

You're saying their investigation superseded the statements of the parties involved? Again, charges were recanted and dropped. I didn't know CDC was clairvoyant. 

You mean when the victim changed her tune after her attorneys spoke with the perpetrator’s?

[Oldest Horn]

1 minute ago, harveycmd said:

We seem to be dealing with CNN here. Was domestic violence proven?

Employers are not subject to the same burden of evidence as criminal courts.  Are you that dense or just being obtuse?

[harveycmd]

Just now, Oldest Horn said:

You mean when the victim changed her tune after her attorneys spoke with the perpetrator’s?

You are assuming there was a "perpetrator." That's the question. You don't know. Stop acting like you have perfect knowledge of the situation. I don't. You don't.

[Oldest Horn]

3 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

You are assuming there was a "perpetrator." That's the question. You don't know. Stop acting like you have perfect knowledge of the situation. I don't. You don't.

I trust our AD’s and administration’s judgement on the matter over yours. That’s for sure. You seem to have a “he wins basketball games, let’s look the other way” attitude here. That may work at Ole Miss or other **** schools in third world states, but not here. 

[GoHorns1]

2 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

We seem to be dealing with CNN here. Was domestic violence proven?

 

 

1 minute ago, harveycmd said:

You are assuming there was a "perpetrator." That's the question. You don't know. Stop acting like you have perfect knowledge of the situation. I don't. You don't.

His contract states fireable behavior not criminal behavior. There was a physical confrontation between Beard and partner is a known fact per the Texas administration investigation. 

[qaertyisthatdude]

6 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

I trust our AD’s and administration’s judgement on the matter over yours. That’s for sure. You seem to have a “he wins basketball games, let’s look the other way” attitude here. That may work at Ole Miss or other **** schools in third world states, but not here. 

I think that’s what it’s really about.  If Beard’s teams regressed every season he was the HC and he did what he allegedly did off the court and got fired with cause, Texas fans that think Beard shouldn’t have been fired would’ve said good riddance.  There are Baylor fans that still defend Arthur Briles, Ohio State fans that defend Urban Meyer, etc., all because they won a crapton of games.  Beard had to go.  The real mistake was not finding an adequate replacement.

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[harveycmd]

Just now, Oldest Horn said:

I trust our AD’s and administration’s judgement on the matter over yours. That’s for sure. You seem to have a “he wins basketball games, let’s look the other way” attitude here. That may work at Ole Miss or other **** schools in third world states, but not here. 

I don't trust anyone on faith alone. I certainly don't trust your statements about Beard's culpability. Why would would I? Basic epistemological honesty requires empirical and logical evidence. We don't have empirical evidence. Logical evidence is mixed because stories changed and charges were dropped. Our AD and administration aren't epistemic stalwarts in this case because they haven't given us the information or evidence to prove their credibility in this matter.

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, harveycmd said:

I don't trust anyone on faith alone. I certainly don't trust your statements about Beard's culpability. Why would would I? Basic epistemological honesty requires empirical and logical evidence. We don't have empirical evidence. Logical evidence is mixed because stories changed and charges were dropped. Our AD and administration aren't epistemic stalwarts in this case because they haven't given us the information or evidence to prove their credibility in this matter.

You seem to be trusting Beard. Try harder. 

[harveycmd]

1 minute ago, Oldest Horn said:

You seem to be trusting Beard. Try harder. 

I'm not trusting anyone, but you can't make a definitive judgment in the absence of solid empirical or logical proof. Therefore the most logical conclusion is to avoid judgment. Why is that hard to understand?

[Assistant Regional Manager]

I could do without the political crap in a basketball thread. And it’s really one guy who keeps doing it.