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[BobInHouston]

9 hours ago, harveycmd said:

Thinking of how stupid the three point line is. You don't get nine points in football for scoring beyond twenty or thirty yards. You don't get two runs for hitting a homer, etc. 

I am sensitive to your argument, but what would be your solution to the problem of crowding the lane if the three were trashed? One of the points in favor of the three was opening up the floor.  

[harveycmd]

7 minutes ago, BobInHouston said:

I am sensitive to your argument, but what would be your solution to the problem of crowding the lane if the three were trashed? One of the points in favor of the three was opening up the floor.  

Can't crowd the lane if the rule is you have to play man. Watch the Laker v Sixers 1979. Couldn't crowd the lane. No post play now. Had post play then. Great skilled post play. Kareem sky hooking. Daryl Dawkins dunking. Couldn't clog the lane with zone putzes. That's why Kareem could work the post and shoot.

[harveycmd]

Watch the 1985 and 1987 Finals. Celtics couldn't guard Kareem and Worthy one on one. That's why the Lakers won those series. Same thing with the Spurs v Lakers 2001. That's why the pansies voted to change the rules so you didn't have to play man defense. "We can't stop Kobe and Shaq. We gotta change the rules" Now we have European pansy rules than fans won't watch. I won't watch pansies either. 

[harveycmd]

Didn't say you couldn't play man against Mikey, Changed the rule for Shaq and Kobe. Gerry thinks it great because he loves watching Curry shoot threes. That's pansy basketball.

[harveycmd]

Bird would have never lost if you let him shoot unmolested. 

Edited June 5 by harveycmd

[harveycmd]

Watch Bird in three point contests, Shot about 80 percent. SOB didn't miss. That's not man rules defense basketball. You body him off the ball and wear him down. Can't do that now. Every post player bodied off the ball then,. 

[harveycmd]

Bird shot and raised his hand before it went in because he knew it was going in. Man called his shot and he knew it was going down. Knew it because he didn't miss. Made me mad at the time. Didn't change the fact he made shots. No Euro pansy today close to Bird.

[Jordan91]

The game is constantly evolving. Players are more developed. The regular standard (Princeton offense) has gone away. Forwards and centers have developed guard skills. You want to get into who goes harder in a game? Check out some European leagues. All they know is going hard. Did you expect players to never attempt to learn other skills besides low post play? There are European offenses in basketball at the NBA level and College level. I don’t see pansies when I look at Joker, Luka, etc. The game will continue to evolve. 

[jonbailey]

@harveycmdwho voted for the change and why? If ratings are down why do the rules persist?

[thatdude2]

On 6/3/2025 at 12:40 PM, harveycmd said:

No three point line. Real basketball. Jerry West coaching Kareem as the greatest player ever. 

 

USA Basketball would get clobbered in international competition if they went back to old rules. That was the problem they had when the world caught up. The US just depended on size and athleticism, but they had a lack of skill. I would say go back to resetting the shot clock to a full 24, and bring back illegal defense where everyone has to guard a man.

[Sundancekid]

 Called the Pacers. Lol. What a game. Halliburton is so clutch. Props to Myles Turner and his team playing like one.

[harveycmd]

Game 1 of the NBA Finals averaged a 4.7 rating and 8.91 million viewers, making it the lowest rated Game 1 of the Finals since ratings began. A lot of that is the markets involved, but most of it is the way the game is now played. It's boring to watch a jump shooting contest over and over. Go back to man rules and cut the nonsense.

Edited Saturday at 06:14 AM by harveycmd

[harveycmd]

Took a professional sport that was a beautiful blend of athleticism, technical skill and power, removed the requisite power and man defensive skill elements, thereby reducing it to a European Rec league. There's still some skill and athleticism, but without the power element combined with man defense, it's too flat and one dimensional. 

[CQuast]

I was just thinking after watching softball win a natty and also going back to the most recent video where Sean Miller states to some degree, “Every Texas program is either competing for a national title or on the cusp of competing for one”… We seem to have a great overall athletic staff in place but I was wondering if Men’s Basketball is truly the one sport that as of right this moment, we aren’t on the cusp of competing for a national title until we see what this staff has put together on the court?

[qaertyisthatdude]

2 hours ago, CQuast said:

I was just thinking after watching softball win a natty and also going back to the most recent video where Sean Miller states to some degree, “Every Texas program is either competing for a national title or on the cusp of competing for one”… We seem to have a great overall athletic staff in place but I was wondering if Men’s Basketball is truly the one sport that as of right this moment, we aren’t on the cusp of competing for a national title until we see what this staff has put together on the court?

I’d say so, but give Sean Miller 3-4 years to build his team to that level.  They are long overdue there.

[CQuast]

100%. I have the utmost confidence in Coach Miller. It was more of a refelection of how good of a job CDC has done overall in my opinion and that we truly are one sport away from being really competitive in everything which is truly insane.

[harveycmd]

Pencil goobers gonna ride this efficiency nonsense to the collapse of the league. "NBA Finals Game 2 Ratings Lowest Since 2007." Let's see. Fans won't watch, but it's more efficient. Let's continue the geek version of efficient until we go out of business. These people are really stupid.

[harveycmd]

I think I mentioned this before, but I still can't believe it. Most languages ever spoke in a professional sports postgame press conference: four. Kobe spoke English, Italian, Spanish, and Slovenian in a postgame press conference in 2008.

[harveycmd]

I remember being at a conference at the University of Toronto in 1994 when I was a grad student at Chicago. My professor Stanley Rosen was debating an Italian lefty nut job named Gianni Vittamo on Nietzsche and Heidegger. Started in German, which I could understand. Vittamo switched to French. Couldn't understand. Then Ancient Greek, Latin, Italian. Then Rosen switched to English and Hebrew. Next week I asked Mr. Rosen, "What was he trying to do?" Rosen said, "He didn't know what he was doing or who was dealing with."

[harveycmd]

Seen jokes about Arch winning a Nobel Prize. Watched Mr. Rosen debate Nobel Prize Economics winner Amartya Sen on the principles of capitalism. Mr. Rosen was a free market capitalist all the way who loved Reagan. Watched him debate Nobel Prize winner in thermodynamics Ilya Prigogine, The debate was on the epistemology of astrophysics and theoretical mathematics. Writing formulas on the board and arguing about the epistemic precision of numerical symbols. 

[harveycmd]

Both of debates were in German and English, which are the standard high level academic languages.

[harveycmd]

Switch to German for precision because it's a language that has a unique ability to concisely combine the meaning of words.

[harveycmd]

I remember reading Descartes' Discourse on Method with Mr. Rosen in 1993. He was busting my ass on my various essays, which I had to write every day for two weeks. Told me to listen to Steven Miller Band Jet Airliner and Falco Rock Me Amadeus. Gave me week and had me come to his house and read my essay to him. He told me it sucked, but I was getting better and that's all that mattered.