Ohio St. names Sayin as starter

[Dread-headed Texan]

27 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

I feel like these are all rational takes. I think Ohio State's OT's are going to be very good, even better than last season but Texas' DE's are advantage Texas against anybody.

In my personal opinion, I think Ohio State is going to have more success running against Texas than they did in the Cotton Bowl. Ohio State returns their entire IOL, plus Texas is replacing their top 4 DT's (from my understanding at least). I know that Texas brought in a bunch of bodies in the portal, so we will see. 

Two of the four tackles we lost last year were from the portal. Texas as of late has been spot on in their evaluations. Previously at Texas as to why we were mired in mediocrity is one, we didn't pay enough attention to the trenches on either side, two we would get top ten classes, but it'd be lean heavily on skill positions. One thing everyone would tell you is when we lost Couburn and Ojomo to the draft we worried. Then we lost Murphy and Sweat and were about to crap ourselves. Now we lost Norton, Lole, Broughton, and Collins we're like who's next. Kenny Baker has been a wonderful addition to Sark's staff. 

[NoDakHornsFan]

2 hours ago, TBux said:

I agree 100%, That's why I expect a solid dose of QB run early to try and stay ahead of the chains. 3rd and long is gonna be a helluva challenge having to go silent count for a newbie QB in that environment. I can't see Sark trying to push the ball downfield much on 3rd down. Much easier for task for Sayin not having to deal with the crowd noise. Sayin is not the same run threat as Arch but the kid has a quick release, a good pocket presence and is mobile enough to extend plays. Wouldn't be surprised to see short yardage/goal line packages for our backup QB Kienholz, not unlike Arch was used last year. 

We did lose alot of experence on the back end but we've got a 3 year starter on the field corner and our #3 corner last year taking the boundary. At safety we did lose Ransom who had played alot of football, but we still have Caleb Downs, who many believe is the the best defensive player in college football our coach on the field. Replacing Ransom its gonna be one of two less experienced but very talented kids prob with more upside than Ransom. New DC in Matt Patricia, tons of experience with 16 years in the NFL earning 3 rings. We'll be more multiple than last season with a ton of plug and play kids that will allow him to get as creative as he wants with coverage and disguise. Gonna be a big challenge for Sark, Arch and the offensive staff as they're gonna have to prepare for something different and go back to NFL games for tape. 

Idk why Texas even bothers to make the trip tbh.

[TBux]

3 hours ago, LovingBuckeye said:

In fairness to my prediction, Vegas has Ohio State’s o/u at 24.5. I don’t think it is unreasonable to think Ohio State gets a couple field goals or a short field touchdown off a turnover to get to 30-31 points.

Fair enough....I see two young, inexperienced QB's playing against two of the best defenses in the country. We know that typically defenses are ahead of offenses early in the season and Sark and his offensive brain trust don't really have any relevant tape to study re: our new DC Patricia and it's gonna be a tough environment for them. I see a defensive battle and barring a rash of turnovers, I see a one score game with a multitude of lead changes for 60 minutes.  

[NoDakHornsFan]

1 minute ago, TBux said:

Fair enough....I see two young, inexperienced QB's playing against two of the best defenses in the country. We know that typically defenses are ahead of offenses early in the season and Sark and his offensive brain trust don't really have any relevant tape to study re: our new DC Patricia and it's gonna be a tough environment for them. I see a defensive battle and barring a rash of turnovers, I see a one score game with a multitude of lead changes for 60 minutes.  

Have you followed Patricia before? He’s not the GOAT DC you’re making him out to be. Remember when Nick Foles absolutely schooled him on the biggest stage? Remember when he was the laughing joke of the NFL 2 years ago?

[Ironmanz35]

14 minutes ago, NoDakHornsFan said:

Idk why Texas even bothers to make the trip tbh.

Going to be a great game.  I could see them meeting again in January.

[Ironmanz35]

11 minutes ago, NoDakHornsFan said:

Have you followed Patricia before? He’s not the GOAT DC you’re making him out to be. Remember when Nick Foles absolutely schooled him on the biggest stage? Remember when he was the laughing joke of the NFL 2 years ago?

100% correct.  Patricia has had his struggles, interested to see what he does scheme wise  with the talent he has at OSU.  Good year or two and maybe he he goes back to the NFL as a DC again.  I think  HC ship has sailed for now.

[NoDakHornsFan]

1 minute ago, Ironmanz35 said:

100% correct.  Patricia has had his struggles, interested to see what he does scheme wise  with the talent he has at OSU.  Good year or two and maybe he he goes back to the NFL as a DC again.  I think  HC ship has sailed for now.

Look up Quandre Diggs’ thoughts on Patricia after he played for him in Detroit and Darius Slay nearly quit on the eagles when they hired him as an analyst. But yes many are now referring to him as the Bill Walsh of defenses

[TBux]

20 minutes ago, NoDakHornsFan said:

Have you followed Patricia before? He’s not the GOAT DC you’re making him out to be. Remember when Nick Foles absolutely schooled him on the biggest stage? Remember when he was the laughing joke of the NFL 2 years ago?

I'm very familiar with him. You're making things up. Where did I say he was the GOAT DC? I said he has 16+ years of experience in the league and 3 rings, at least one as a DC. I said Sark and his staff aren't going to have any relevant tape because he wasn't here last year with this personnel and hasn't coached at the college level in 20 years. About his term with the Lions, it was terrible, so what? Spurrier, Saban, Meyer, Holtz et al sucked in the NFL as head coaches but they have a whole helluva lot of college rings.

Suit yourself, he may not be the GOAT but if he's good enough to be Belicheck's DC for several years and Super Bowl victories and Ryan Day thinks he good enough to hire him, he's plenty good enough for me. If he sucks as badly as you believe, you should have no problem moving the football and lighting up the scoreboard. I'm thinking that ain't gonna happen.....  

Edited 1 hour ago by TBux

[Philip Barber]

3 hours ago, LovingBuckeye said:

Perfect, that is exactly what I was looking for! I just followed the show on Apple Podcasts. If interested in an Ohio State podcast, easy 15-30 minute listen, it would be “Austin & Birm”.  This is a daily podcast as well.

I meant to say Gerry is great on evaluating recruits even kids who don’t commit to Texas.  

[Ironmanz35]

7 minutes ago, NoDakHornsFan said:

Look up Quandre Diggs’ thoughts on Patricia after he played for him in Detroit and Darius Slay nearly quit on the eagles when they hired him as an analyst. But yes many are now referring to him as the Bill Walsh of defenses

Numerous players have had issues with Patricia in the NFL, rumor to have a very callous/controlling personality.  If those same habits are exhibited at OSU his tenure will be short.  Day will promote James Lauranitis or bring a new guy in next year. 

[NoDakHornsFan]

9 minutes ago, TBux said:

I'm very familiar with him. You're making things up. Where did I say he was the GOAT DC? I said he has 16+ years of experience in the league and 3 rings, at least one as a DC. I said Sark and his staff aren't going to have any relevant tape because he wasn't here last year with this personnel and hasn't coached at the college level in 20 years. About his term with the Lions, it was terrible, so what? Spurrier, Saban, Meyer, Holtz et al sucked in the NFL as head coaches but they have a whole helluva lot of college rings.

Suit yourself, he may not be the GOAT but if he's good enough to be Belicheck's DC for several years and Super Bowl victories and Ryan Day thinks he good enough to hire him, he's plenty good enough for me. If he sucks as badly as you believe, you should have no problem moving the football and lighting up the scoreboard. I'm thinking that ain't gonna happen.....  

He was one of the worst DC Bill had in the dynasty era. Regardless I’m glad he’s the OSU dc. I never said I was worried about moving the ball? There’s a reason I’m about to put a large wager on Texas to win outright.

[NoDakHornsFan]

15 minutes ago, TBux said:

I'm very familiar with him. You're making things up. Where did I say he was the GOAT DC? I said he has 16+ years of experience in the league and 3 rings, at least one as a DC. I said Sark and his staff aren't going to have any relevant tape because he wasn't here last year with this personnel and hasn't coached at the college level in 20 years. About his term with the Lions, it was terrible, so what? Spurrier, Saban, Meyer, Holtz et al sucked in the NFL as head coaches but they have a whole helluva lot of college rings.

Suit yourself, he may not be the GOAT but if he's good enough to be Belicheck's DC for several years and Super Bowl victories and Ryan Day thinks he good enough to hire him, he's plenty good enough for me. If he sucks as badly as you believe, you should have no problem moving the football and lighting up the scoreboard. I'm thinking that ain't gonna happen.....  

Didn’t the entire Ohio State want Day fired after the Michigan game?? Now all of sudden he’s a better program CEO/HC than Urban?

[Dread-headed Texan]

Some of you guys are overstating Patricia or seem to not understand how good of a play caller Sark is. While I'm not comparing Michigan to Ohio State or Patricia to Martindale, saying or thinking that Sark will be caught of guard because of a new DC is crazy. Michigan for all of their woes and they had many, defense wasn't one of them, and Sark sliced through them like butter. 

[NoDakHornsFan]

2 minutes ago, Dread-headed Texan said:

Some of you guys are overstating Patricia or seem to not understand how good of a play caller Sark is. While I'm not comparing Michigan to Ohio State or Patricia to Martindale, saying or thinking that Sark will be caught of guard because of a new DC is crazy. Michigan for all of their woes and they had many, defense wasn't one of them, and Sark sliced through them like butter. 

Hey now, some of us here like teams that didn’t score in the 2H against Michigan without Will Johnson.

[LovingBuckeye]

54 minutes ago, NoDakHornsFan said:

Have you followed Patricia before? He’s not the GOAT DC you’re making him out to be. Remember when Nick Foles absolutely schooled him on the biggest stage? Remember when he was the laughing joke of the NFL 2 years ago?

I do agree with you that it is a misconception that his Patriots’ defenses were stifling. They were more of a bend but don’t break defense that buckled down in the red zone.

Having said that, college football is a step down from professional football and if you’re good enough for Bill Belichick then you’re good enough for me.

[LovingBuckeye]

1 minute ago, NoDakHornsFan said:

Hey now, some of us here like teams that didn’t score in the 2H against Michigan without Will Johnson.

Alabama? 🙂

[LovingBuckeye]

23 minutes ago, NoDakHornsFan said:

Didn’t the entire Ohio State want Day fired after the Michigan game?? Now all of sudden he’s a better program CEO/HC than Urban?

Yes to both.

[LovingBuckeye]

5 minutes ago, Dread-headed Texan said:

Some of you guys are overstating Patricia or seem to not understand how good of a play caller Sark is. While I'm not comparing Michigan to Ohio State or Patricia to Martindale, saying or thinking that Sark will be caught of guard because of a new DC is crazy. Michigan for all of their woes and they had many, defense wasn't one of them, and Sark sliced through them like butter. 

I think Patrcia is going to be very good personally, I have alot of faith in Day’s hiring.

[TBux]

23 minutes ago, NoDakHornsFan said:

He was one of the worst DC Bill had in the dynasty era. Regardless I’m glad he’s the OSU dc. I never said I was worried about moving the ball? There’s a reason I’m about to put a large wager on Texas to win outright.

That's a helluva story your spinning there. You're asking us to believe Belichick hired a young incompetent, kept him on his staff for 16 years, trained him up in a variety defensive coaching positions and then promoted him to DC for a couple world championship runs because he's such a sweetheart of a guy or what? Good luck with that one.....    

[LovingBuckeye]

6 minutes ago, TBux said:

That's a helluva story your spinning there. You're asking us to believe Belichick hired a young incompetent, kept him on his staff for 16 years, trained him up in a variety defensive coaching positions and then promoted him to DC for a couple world championship runs because he's such a sweetheart of a guy or what? Good luck with that one.....    

Yeah, that's a very bad take. Patricia is going to be good, but will he be good enough, quickly enough to win on 8/30? We don't know. I like Ohio State's defense a lot versus Texas offense personally.

[Ironmanz35]

33 minutes ago, NoDakHornsFan said:

Didn’t the entire Ohio State want Day fired after the Michigan game?? Now all of sudden he’s a better program CEO/HC than Urban?

A large portion of the fan base did indeed want him fired due to 4 losses in a row to Michigan.  Frankly the fan base has been spoiled. We were 17-7 against them since 2000.

Frankly I hate losing to Michigan as much as anyone but Day is a helluva coach and not many better options were or are available.  Hope he gets the Michigan monkey off his back this year.  I will take a Natty over a Michigan win though....

[TBux]

15 minutes ago, Dread-headed Texan said:

Some of you guys are overstating Patricia or seem to not understand how good of a play caller Sark is. While I'm not comparing Michigan to Ohio State or Patricia to Martindale, saying or thinking that Sark will be caught of guard because of a new DC is crazy. Michigan for all of their woes and they had many, defense wasn't one of them, and Sark sliced through them like butter. 

Not at all. I think Sark is one of the great offensive minds in the game, right up there with Ryan Day. Both our coaches are on the short list of best play callers in college football. I couldn't have any more respect for Sark. That said, it's alot easier for him to prepare for something he's seen a body of recent work on tape. He's not going to have that in this case, Patricia hasn't coached a college game in over 20 years so he's gonna be guessing what he's gonna see. Obviously he's gonna go back to what structures and schemes Patricia ran in the NFL but there's necessarily more uncertainty as a result because the NFL is a different game and he's going to have to be ready for a greater variety of looks. Tougher to do in the first game with a young QB under center on the road. 

[Dread-headed Texan]

13 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

I think Patrcia is going to be very good personally, I have alot of faith in Day’s hiring.

I was talking that from my standpoint Sark didn't have tape on Martindale before going into Ann Arbor, he watched a lot of Ravens tape and had his team prepared. I'm just saying having a new DC isn't the adavantage it seems to be. The continuity Texas has enjoyed is more of an advantage. They get to do what they've been doing since day 1 of Sark. If Patricia comes in with all these exotic coverages and schemes he's more likely to confuse the defense not Arch.

[Dread-headed Texan]

3 minutes ago, TBux said:

Not at all. I think Sark is one of the great offensive minds in the game, right up there with Ryan Day. Both our coaches are on the short list of best play callers in college football. I couldn't have any more respect for Sark. That said, it's alot easier for him to prepare for something he's seen a body of recent work on tape. He's not going to have that in this case, Patricia hasn't coached a college game in over 20 years so he's gonna be guessing what he's gonna see. Obviously he's gonna go back to what structures and schemes Patricia ran in the NFL but there's necessarily more uncertainty as a result because the NFL is a different game and he's going to have to be ready for a greater variety of looks. Tougher to do in the first game with a young QB under center on the road. 

He hasn't coached in college in 20 years but he has been coaching. A leopard don't change his spots, the same tendencies he had in the NFL will show up in 9 days.

[NoDakHornsFan]

7 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

Yeah, that's a very bad take. Patricia is going to be good, but will he be good enough, quickly enough to win on 8/30? We don't know. I like Ohio State's defense a lot versus Texas offense personally.

Just hope all you OSU fans  come back on 08/31… hopefully don’t look like Kirk Barton afterwards.