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Really great point. But Arch, and I say this as his biggest supporter, is concerning. When a player loses confidence it's hard to get it back.

Yeall well no 💩 dude what kind of take is it to say that 4th year starting quinn would do a better job than this. Letting Quinn go for Arch was always about the ceiling of Quinn, that not being of a championship team. Of course the way it looks right now we might not even make the playoffs so in retrospective it might make you think that you'd rather see another semifinal appearence rather than not making the playoffs at all. I don't really understand what we're even discussing here. Arch needs to figure it out, mentally. We're not going far without him.

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Um Lockett was a 5 star. Ffrench was right there. Wingo was a 5 star. They are young but the one outperforming was a guy that was less heralded in PL. The difference is we didn’t get more in the portal. A&M changed their whole offense getting Craver and Conception Texas needed more and didn’t do it.

Ohio State’s front 7 this year was nothing close to what Georgia had last year. The question was about Quinn vs Arch’s upside this year. I’m saying fourth year Quinn playing a quick accurate short passing game has us in way better position than the dumpster fire we’re seeing on offense right now.

The defense has been better since the playoff loss to Washington. Since then Texas added Nanson and they haven’t looked back. PK is outperforming Sarkisian and his offense. The difference is Sarkisian won’t get help on that side and PK has constantly adapted and involved other voices.

Do we remember how Quinn looked against Georgia the first time around last year? He'd do a better job than Arch right now, no question, but he does not raise the ceiling. We're not winning a championship without Arch this year, so if we want to he has to figure it out and he has to be helped by Sark, who's making 10 million a year to do so. Again we're talking about someone's confidence here, this is not a bum QB with no talent where there's just no light at the end of the tunnel. He has all the tools and if Texas wants to win it's gonna be with Arch working through it, not giving up and not be given up on.

Not impressed with ND defense. Pretty much let two teams drive their teams to wins. Carr not particularly impressive. But I love this t-shirt: Catholics vs Cultists

Moving on indefinitely isn't gonna do anything good for this team. I've said it already, Arch is by far the most talented in the room and the ceiling drops a lot for the offense if Arch can't figure it out mentally. Sark's job is to find confidence in Arch, go back to the basics, and stack successful performances. He has got to stop making Arch the centerpiece of the offense, full stop. Whether that's heavy running game, lots of RPOs and screens I don't know, but he gets paid 10 million a year to figure out how to go back to 2024 MSU Arch.

I think Sark and team may have not recruited and developed offense as well as we have been led to believe by the media/analysis community OL was planned poorly. Recruiting, portal and development. Kelvin Banks and Majors may have covered up some of Floods mistakes in planning ahead QB coaching - after Ewers poor development and now Arch (in his 3rd year/ not a freshman) must be questioned

It’s all just hypotheticals at this point but given the even nature of the D’s I’m going with Quinn over Sayin even if Patricia dialed up more smoke for Ewers.

I don't know about 4-0. Patricia wouldn't have played Quinn the same way he played Arch, and if he was able to create the perfect game plan for a QB with 2 starts I think he would've fared well against 4th year starting Quinn. But yes, for making the playoffs we'd need just C+ / B- games from Arch every game

As for upside I’d see similar to the other two Quinn years. Playing for conference championships and making the semi finals of the CFP. That seems to have been his ceiling which sure looks a hell of a lot better than this train wreck.

Quinn has us 4-0 going into the swamp. No doubt. His style of quick precision short game passing is exactly what this shitty offensive line needs to take the pressure off of it.

View from the Cheap Seats-Texas @ El Paso Miners come to town What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on in Austin? This game featured the #1 and #2 QBs from the 2023 recruiting class. One might have expected an aerial circus; one would have been disappointed. Sark/TEXAS only threw the ball 25 times against 53 rushes. That stat is somewhat skewed due to Arch pulling the ball down and running. Still, in a game that should have created the opportunity for Arch to get his passing on track and boost his confidence, he had the worst day for a Longhorn QB in some time. We hate to bag on the kid, as by all accounts, he is a great young man. It is what it is, though. Arch is struggling and cannot seem to find a comfortable rhythm, while his play caller is not helping at all. One example of a play that is a staple of Sark’s offense has been the WR screen. A play designed around a quick pass outside with the idea that if a WR can get one block and/or make one defender miss, he’s off for a big gain. We did not see that play called until late in the third or early fourth quarter, despite UTEP playing off coverage. Clearly, the game plan was to force-feed the ball to Ryan Wingo, an uber-talented WR. The problem is that Ryan and Arch cannot seem to get on the same page. Sark’s offense is also predicated on numerous shifts and motions, which serve two purposes. First, it forces a defense to show its coverage, as well as work to create mismatches in the scheme, which can be exploited through play calling. When it’s going well, it is a beauty to behold. This week, Sark seemed content to line up and run base offense with little misdirection. One play that worked exceptionally well in the first two weeks, a staple of the Sark offense, is the TE screen, often called as the QB rolls right and then throws back left. That play and others like it were nonexistent this weekend. A Cheap Seats pet peeve, late in the 3rd quarter, early in the 4th, we saw Arch on a called QB run. WHY????? For the 3rd season in a row, TEXAS is leaning hard on Coach Pete Kwiakowski’s outstanding defense to carry the day. And once again, they delivered. The defense was suffocating, forcing five punts, three turnovers on downs, and recording 2 Interceptions. This, while limiting UTEP to an FG through 57 minutes of the game, only allowing a late TD with backups on the field. This season, the team's success will be determined by its defense, and they are a pleasure to watch. Glass half empty Arch is clearly struggling, misfiring on even easy passes. In 2 of 3 games this season, Arch has not been the best QB on the field. Keep in mind, we are talking about the pre-season Heisman favorite. The offensive line remains a work in progress. Red Zone TD scoring a paltry 3 TDs on 6 attempts, 2 Arch rushing TDs, and a pass to Ryan Wingo with 2 FG & an INT. Texas' offense was handed the ball twice on turnovers, but only managed to create 3 points. The team must capitalize on such opportunities. While the number of penalties has been reduced from last week, they came at the worst possible times, including negating the best punt return of the day. 1st play of the game saw our RB2 (RB1 being held out due to a lingering injury) go down and not return. We would finish the day with RB5, who had a very nice game. Not only was Arch still in the game late in the 3rd, early in the 4th, but Sark called a QB run. What was he thinking? On the subject of highly questionable play calling, you are not going to get Arch on track by handing the ball off. Yes, still early in the season, but in three weeks, we’ll open conference play. There is reason to be concerned as starting in October, the caliber of play is going to be significantly better. Per ESPN, today we do not project as a playoff team, we would agree with that. We miss the Longhorn Network. Glass half full Defense, Defense, Defense. Coach PK and crew are doing the job at championship levels. Our Aussie punter and Ryan Niblett on punt returns are a pleasure to watch. On two of the three turnovers on downs the defense forced, the Texas offense turned them into touchdowns. A short list this week. Stats that matter 11-25 Arch’s passing line, which included a 10 straight incompletion stretch, putrid. 3 of 6, Red Zone TD scoring. Continues to be an issue 5 of 16, Offense on 3rd down attempts. TEXAS simply cannot sustain drives 2 of 5, Offense on 4th down attempts. 4 of 15, Defense, this is how you win 0 of 3, Defense stuffed UTEPs 4th down tries 7 for 78, Penalties which seemed to come at critical times, compounding the problem. 2 for 3 Two turnovers/INTs is good but TEXAS only turned that into 3 points, not good 2 for 3 Two of the three times TEXAS’ D held Offensive Player of the Game James Simon, RB 5. Came into the 2nd half of the game, carried 17 times for a net of 67 yards. Co-Defensive Players of the Game Leona Lefu led the team in tackles, including a tackle for loss, and Jelani McDonald, who was 2nd in tackles, recorded an interception. Special Teams Player of the Game Ryan Niblett had 3 punt returns for 72 yards, a 24-yard average, and his best return was called back from a dumb penalty. On Deck-Sam Houston State The Bearkats come to town riding a 3-game losing streak this season, and are projected to finish at or near the bottom of Conference USA. The game will be on the SEC network again. We hope to see Arch with 30-35 passing attempts in 3 quarters, then take a seat. In fact we hope no starter plays in the 4th quarter. 3 weeks to get ready to travel to the Swamp to play the Gators. Game Highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJemykVh7EA

4th year starting Quinn would be much better, no question. Arch has to let it loose. It's not easy. Maybe he's just never going to be able to. But that's what he has to do. He's too hung up on the mistakes that he makes that they compound. Right now he's feeling all the pressure of the world on his shoulders. He just has to let it loose and have fun. He has the skills to do it. He has to work through the mental side of things and he has to make it a priority to do so. He also has all the resources necessary to do so. But it's gonna be hard. When a player loses confidence it's hard.

This is true. ND and Clemson are out of the playoffs without some serious external help. Florida and South Carolina have more systemic problems. Truth is that no team in the SEC has clearly separated. No one has laid the wood to a serious contender.

We need to get Baxter healthy and get Flood and Sark to figure out a run scheme that works the best. Develop an identity like Michigan and JJ McCarthy. Shorten the game with a run heavy throw it over the top approach. Punt and kick field goals and stop with this 4th down nonsense.

The million dollar question for me right now is what would the ceiling be for this season if Quinn wasn’t chased out to an extent versus what we know of Arch now? Do you think Quinn could take this OL and offense to the playoffs? I have a hard time believing Arch can develop enough this season to get us there but Im not 100% sure Quinn could either with this OL. It will be a bad look for Sark and this staff if Arch ends up being a bust. Let’s hope that’s not the case.

This is the answer until it’s not.

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Maybe his grandfather did know best and wants Arch to stay for 3 years. It's going to get worse before it gets better, but this is what's best for Arch and this team in the long run. Lots of people were so quick to move on from Ewers last year, and now they are ready to move on from Arch. What if we move on from Arch and it doesn't get better? Get another coach? We really have to take our medicine and hopefully support Arch enough so that he starts playing like he did last year.

I don't think he knows how right now. He's too much in his head. He's got the resources to make changes in his routine or whatever but it's not easy when a player loses confidence.

Edit-3-8 vs top 10 teams**

I was watching all the games wishing we had a QB that could make ANY of those throws...Who knew we'd have the worst QB in the SEC..it's kinda funny at this point.