Hoops: Texas at No. 5 Florida Game Thread

[TexasFanatic]

CDC has stated he wants to be the best at EVERY sport. 
 

We will get someone big and worth the money. 

[HudGar1922]

1 hour ago, AusMOJO said:

Do you think, similar to Baseball, that the right hire for Basketball, could see the NIL/support increase? I know Texas is a Blue Blood in Baseball, but it could help, no? Not advocating for Coach Terry to be fired, but just in a hypothetical instance. 

well no one is gonna open the wallet for rodney terry.  

[pinkman_90]

19 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Someone said on here awhile back that we might as well keep Terry, because there's no way we could attract a good coach. Like we're Sam Houston St. or something. That mindset is so pathetic. 

And those same people act like our basketball NIL is on par with Vermont or Fairleigh Dickinson.  

[AusMOJO]

13 minutes ago, HudGar1922 said:

well no one is gonna open the wallet for rodney terry.  

But how can we expect him to be good here, if we're not willing to help him with NIL initiatives and be competitive in the market? It seems like overall our NIL game might be lacking a bit across the board. 

I understand the sentiment is that he isn't a great HC but we also need to give him the tools to succeed, no? When Coach Sark was hired as the Football HC, a lot of people were disappointed because of his poor HC record and his first year at Texas didn't quell any of that. Yet 3 years later, we've dominated recruiting, been to two straight semi-final's and are trending up as a program. 

Now, I'm just a new fan to Basketball, so maybe I don't understand all the in's and out's, like I do more so for Football, but that's just my uneducated take. 

[Jordan91]

48 minutes ago, CoachBobbyFinstock said:

I think you know I don’t hate RT. Quite the opposite. I think he’s a fantastic person. It’s not working and I don’t believe it will. 

I know, and you are a good poster. Nothing wrong with giving your take. I am frustrated as well. 

[Jordan91]

34 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Someone said on here awhile back that we might as well keep Terry, because there's no way we could attract a good coach. Like we're Sam Houston St. or something. That mindset is so pathetic. 

Not sure who said that. Getting a good coach certainly is possible. Dealing with the low NIL and lack of fan support and the overall lack of full support of the program will get you tournament appearance and if we are lucky an occasional sweet sixteen appearance. I want more than that. So essentially you get Tom Penders. Any coach worth his salt will want a higher NIL. You can’t win in the SEC consistently without it. 

[Steven Conant]

Weaver hasn't played in a while, is he injured?

[Jordan91]

18 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

And those same people act like our basketball NIL is on par with Vermont or Fairleigh Dickinson.  

Not sure who that is. Tre took up most of the NIL. Texas is at four million or four and a half million this year. Texas first targeted Storr from Wisconsin. He was interested but his price was too high, and he wanted to stay in the draft He took two million from Kansas and pulled out of the draft. Tre was at one and a half million. So up his to two million to match Storr. Well that’s four million. You are either out of money, or have five hundred thousand to give to the rest of the team. 

[Jordan91]

2 minutes ago, Steven Conant said:

Weaver hasn't played in a while, is he injured?

Injured and it could be a while before he comes back. 

[Steven Conant]

Hate that.  I love to watch him play.

[Red Five]

9 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

Not sure who said that. Getting a good coach certainly is possible. Dealing with the low NIL and lack of fan support and the overall lack of full support of the program will get you tournament appearance and if we are lucky an occasional sweet sixteen appearance. I want more than that. So essentially you get Tom Penders. Any coach worth his salt will want a higher NIL. You can’t win in the SEC consistently without it. 

We're basically just sitting around waiting for Terry to get fired. We were a bad break away from a Final Four two years ago with Chris Beard as coach. The money deal will magically drastically improve overnight when we get an actual coach in here. 

[pinkman_90]

11 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

Not sure who that is. Tre took up most of the NIL. Texas is at four million or four and a half million this year. Texas first targeted Storr from Wisconsin. He was interested but his price was too high, and he wanted to stay in the draft He took two million from Kansas and pulled out of the draft. Tre was at one and a half million. So up his to two million to match Storr. Well that’s four million. You are either out of money, or have five hundred thousand to give to the rest of the team. 

You seem to always excuse RT’s poor performance and blame nil/fan support. There are so many teams In the country that are better than us with worse a worse NIL situation.  

Edited Sunday at 01:32 AM by pinkman_90

[HudGar1922]

47 minutes ago, AusMOJO said:

But how can we expect him to be good here, if we're not willing to help him with NIL initiatives and be competitive in the market? It seems like overall our NIL game might be lacking a bit across the board. 

I understand the sentiment is that he isn't a great HC but we also need to give him the tools to succeed, no? When Coach Sark was hired as the Football HC, a lot of people were disappointed because of his poor HC record and his first year at Texas didn't quell any of that. Yet 3 years later, we've dominated recruiting, been to two straight semi-final's and are trending up as a program. 

Now, I'm just a new fan to Basketball, so maybe I don't understand all the in's and out's, like I do more so for Football, but that's just my uneducated take. 

he is on year three and his teams commits turnovers at an alarming rate.  look inept on offensive like there is no offensive gameplan.  he creates no juice for the program.   

[Jordan91]

40 minutes ago, Steven Conant said:

Hate that.  I love to watch him play.

Me too. 

[Jordan91]

32 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

You seem to always excuse RT’s poor performance and blame nil/fan support. There are so many teams In the country that are better than us with worse a worse NIL situation.  

Did you see my responses about the team quitting? The other day I commented on a remark he said to reporters that sounded awful to me. Which teams are you talking about? In the SEC? Do they have a sustained success over the last three years?

[Jordan91]

43 minutes ago, Red Five said:

We're basically just sitting around waiting for Terry to get fired. We were a bad break away from a Final Four two years ago with Chris Beard as coach. The money deal will magically drastically improve overnight when we get an actual coach in here. 

I am not sitting around I am watching games.  You saw Bobby’s post about the football stars turning down more money right? Money didn’t magically appear there, and football is supported. 

[bierce]

52 minutes ago, HudGar1922 said:

he is on year three and his teams commits turnovers at an alarming rate.  look inept on offensive like there is no offensive gameplan.  he creates no juice for the program.   

This is the sort of thing that drives me crazy.  People see something a few times in one game and then they claim it is the norm. 

Texas does not have a high turnover percentage.  It is 8th lowest in the SEC in conference games after today and 14th lowest in the country in all games.  We were doing quite well in the turnover department before today, averaging under 11 a game in conference.  Turnovers aren't our problem.  Getting our brains beat in on the boards and getting torched inside are our usual problems. 

We had a lot of turnovers today because Larry totally checked out.  That's a problem.  Shedrick and Kent being complete no-shows is another problem, and it's a huge problem.  Onyema had the game of his life, and we were completely outplayed in the paint.  We were outplayed in other areas, but we cannot reasonably expect to compete every day in the SEC with Kent averaging 2 points and 1.8 rebounds per game and Shedrick averaging 3.6 points and under 4 defensive rebounds per game. 

I'm going to remind everyone that I said in the first half of the Auburn game that I thought we will see the end of the Terry tenure this year if he doesn't get this team playing better on offense.  We saw better offense over the next 5 halves.  Then we witnessed the total disaster of a second half today.  I think once again that we will see the end of the Terry tenure this year if he doesn't get everyone to focus and put today behind them.

We just went 1-4 in a stretch of games we were projected by many to go 0-5.  Two of the losses were close.  Two were second half blowouts.   And we didn't have one of our top 8 players, who just happens to be our second leading rebounder, in four of those games.  This team is about on track in the w-l column to still manage to make the tournament, so I'm not giving up on it yet, but maybe right now, more than any other moment in his coaching career, Terry has his moment to prove he is a motivator and can get a team to function after adversity. 

We saw some of that in our last game in Norman.  We lost close games against highly ranked teams and responded with a road win in a game we were the underdog.  Now we have a chance to regroup and play at home after a brutal loss on the road against a top 10 team in a game in which the team stopped playing over the last 8 minutes.  If we can rally to win one of the two upcoming road games against ranked (or likely ranked) teams, then we still have a good chance to make the tournament.  We aren't completely out of the picture if we don't win one of them, but I think we'd be looking at needing to come back from the dead at that point. 

Is making the tournament and going one and out the standard?  If course not, but I'd rather make the tournament than not.  Will it save Terry's job?  Don't know.  Don't particularly care. 

What I do care about is whether we can get better and how.

1) Larry has to get his head out of his a**.  His play today was worse than atrocious.  The few times he beat his man on the perimeter and could cause some disruption, he chose to throw stupid show-off passes.  He lost his dribble to a floorboard at one point.  He bricked shots.  And he totally quit at the end.

2) Shedrick and Kent have to rebound and take it to the rim and draw contact if nothing else.  We're getting some rebounding from Shedrick, just not enough, and none today.  We're getting 0 offense from the two of them.  They shouldn't be the focal point, and they aren't, but they need to start making some contributions with their touches.

3) Onyema needs to want to repeat today in every remaining game.  He won't, but he needs to try.  Stay away from the stupid fouls, take the ball to the basket when fed it, and keep passing out to the open man.  I mean, leading us in rebounds, assists, and steals?  Go Ze'Rik!

4) Weaver has to come back.  If there is anybody on this team that would not quit in a game, he's him.  We miss his rebounding.  We miss his ability to take over in moments of chaos when pure athleticism takes over.  We miss his ability to attack at full speed and damn the torpedoes. 

I'm not giving up on this team.  I'm disgusted that so many of our fans that predicted an 0-5 start have done so after a 1-4 start.

A few more losses like this, and I'll chime in on threads about who we should hire to replace Terry, but for now you should expect me to continue to root for wins and describe action on the court without unnecessary perjoratives about the coach.

Edited Sunday at 02:50 AM by bierce

[bierce]

We really need to be able to edit more than once.  In the above exegesis, I mentioned we need to win one of the two upcoming road games against ranked teams.  I meant home games. 

And for the record, I want us to win both.

[NothinButDaHorns34]

@bierce I’d love to hear your mental gymnastics to sunshine pump for RT since you were in here singing his praises after beating another 0-3 Oklahoma team in the SEC 

[Huskie1]

2 hours ago, Jordan91 said:

Did Barnes have sold out arenas during his glory days? No

Did he have to get a camera installed to see who wasn’t showing up on the lower level? Yes

Did fans travel? No

Texas was more involved then versus the one year Beard was here. Barnes had plenty of arena’s rocking and it still wasn’t enough. And his record dwarfs Beards by a thousand miles. 

 

Barnes left because of an idiot AD.

[Huskie1]

1 hour ago, Steven Conant said:

Weaver hasn't played in a while, is he injured?

Dude, you obviously don’t follow the team with a comment like this.

[bierce]

Just now, Huskie1 said:

Barnes left because of an idiot AD.

Barnes was sent away because he went 7 years without a second weekend and was -2 in conference play over his last 4 seasons.

[HudGar1922]

20 minutes ago, bierce said:

This is the sort of thing that drives me crazy.  People see something a few times in one game and then they claim it is the norm. 

Texas does not have a high turnover percentage.  It is 8th lowest in the SEC in conference games after today and 14th lowest in the country in all games.  We were doing quite well in the turnover department before today, averaging under 11 a game in conference.  Turnovers aren't our problem.  Getting our brains beat in on the boards and getting torched inside are our usual problems. 

We had a lot of turnovers today because Larry totally checked out.  That's a problem.  Shedrick and Kent being complete no-shows is another problem, and it's a huge problem.  Onyema had the game of his life, and we were completely outplayed in the paint.  We were outplayed in other areas, but we cannot reasonably expect to compete every day in the SEC with Kent averaging 2 points and 1.8 rebounds per game and Shedrick averaging 3.6 points and under 4 defensive rebounds per game. 

I'm going to remind everyone that I said in the first half of the Auburn game that I thought we will see the end of the Terry tenure this year if he doesn't get this team playing better on offense.  We saw better offense over the next 5 halves.  Then we witnessed the total disaster of a second half today.  I think once again that we will see the end of the Terry tenure this year if he doesn't get everyone to focus and put today behind them.

We just went 1-4 in a stretch of games we were projected by many to go 0-5.  Two of the losses were close.  Two were second half blowouts.   And we didn't have one of our top 8 players, who just happens to be our second leading rebounder, in four of those games.  This team is about on track in the w-l column to still manage to make the tournament, so I'm not giving up on it yet, but maybe right now, more than any other moment in his coaching career, Terry has his moment to prove he is a motivator and can get a team to function after adversity. 

We saw some of that in our last game in Norman.  We lost close games against highly ranked teams and responded with a road win in a game we were the underdog.  Now we have a chance to regroup and play at home after a brutal loss on the road against a top 10 team in a game in which the team stopped playing over the last 8 minutes.  If we can rally to win one of the two upcoming road games against ranked (or likely ranked) teams, then we still have a good chance to make the tournament.  We aren't completely out of the picture if we don't win one of them, but I think we'd be looking at needing to come back from the dead at that point. 

Is making the tournament and going one and out the standard?  If course not, but I'd rather make the tournament than not.  Will it save Terry's job?  Don't know.  Don't particularly care. 

What I do care about is whether we can get better and how.

1) Larry has to get his head out of his a**.  His play today was worse than atrocious.  The few times he beat his man on the perimeter and could cause some disruption, he chose to throw stupid show-off passes.  He lost his dribble to a floorboard at one point.  He bricked shots.  And he totally quit at the end.

2) Shedrick and Kent have to rebound and take it to the rim and draw contact if nothing else.  We're getting some rebounding from Shedrick, just not enough, and none today.  We're getting 0 offense from the two of them.  They shouldn't be the focal point, and they aren't, but they need to start making some contributions with their touches.

3) Onyema needs to want to repeat today in every remaining game.  He won't, but he needs to try.  Stay away from the stupid fouls, take the ball to the basket when fed it, and keep passing out to the open man.  I mean, leading us in rebounds, assists, and steals?  Go Ze'Rik!

4) Weaver has to come back.  If there is anybody on this team that would not quit in a game, he's him.  We miss his rebounding.  We miss his ability to take over in moments of chaos when pure athleticism takes over.  We miss his ability to attack at full speed and damn the torpedoes. 

I'm not giving up on this team.  I'm disgusted that so many of our fans that predicted an 0-5 start have done so after a 1-4 start.

A few more losses like this, and I'll chime in on threads about who we should hire to replace Terry, but for now you should expect me to continue to root for wins and describe action on the court without unnecessary perjoratives about the coach.

so your saying our highly paid head basketball coach isn’t recruiting winning players to the program and that he is doing a poor job of coaching the players he has up.  got it 

[bierce]

14 minutes ago, NothinButDaHorns34 said:

@bierce I’d love to hear your mental gymnastics to sunshine pump for RT since you were in here singing his praises after beating another 0-3 Oklahoma team in the SEC 

You might try reading my comments above yours. 

Then you might consider I might have pretty objective view of our basketball program. 

[bierce]

2 minutes ago, HudGar1922 said:

so your saying our highly paid head basketball coach isn’t recruiting winning players to the program and that he is doing a poor job of coaching the players he has up.  got it 

I think I'm saying our team has shortcomings and the team and the coach need to fix them.  I've never denied that.  I even pointed them out before the season started. 

You guys are incredible.  I write 8-10 paragraphs about what our team did wrong today and the few things that it did right and the things it has done well and hasn't all year, and you guys have no desire to discuss the effect of not having Weaver on the floor, the lack of rebounding, the lack of a top flight pg, or any of the possible ways to try to circumvent those problems.  No, you just distill it to "the coach sucks."

Fine.  You think the coach sucks.  You want to talk about basketball now?