Mack Brown / interview

[HelloThere]

2 hours ago, Hashtag said:

Told and encouraged players on roster to go elsewhere

Told and encouraged recruits to look elsewhere that were still committed at the time

Bad mouthed the program to every potential candidate through coaching circles who would listen

Bad moved the program to his BMD friends who had his back

Bad mouthed the program to members of media off camera/off record(Hence why the narrative about Texas was created) 

While some of this is technically true, the way it is presented is not. Mack was deservedly hurt by the way it went down and did not like Patterson. His ire was directed at Patterson and Fuenves and not the program. His warnings were about the way Patterson was running things. Furthermore, he didn’t have to bash anything to the BMD’s you are referencing, they were plenty mouthy and unhappy on their own.  Many of them saw the writing on the wall with Patterson before the world did.  

I know of several recruits personally he told to stay committed and they deserved to play at Texas and should see who they hired. He never bashed the program to a single person, player or recruit I know. 

If all of this was true his former players and those who worked with him and continued working for Texas wouldn’t adore him like they do.  Especially the ones who played for him at the end of his run. 
 

He could have handled things better in some regards but to act like he began undermining and bashing the program to anyone who would listen is factually incorrect. 

Edited yesterday at 03:37 AM by HelloThere

[graemakin]

Mack Brown delivered the first national championship to Texas that I got to witness in my lifetime and for that I will be greatly appreciative.  Hopefully Sark will be able to bring a national championship back to Texas as well. 🤘

[Jc Dobbs]

20 hours ago, Jack Lala said:

I've always felt Mack lost his sense of purpose when Colt got hurt against bama. He never got it back the next 4 years. 

Looking back on Mack's last few years at Texas, I have thought Mack himself was a good example of his saying about BBs contained in the Box.

For example, when Mack got everything rolling  (staff, recruiting, coaching and winning) he was successful and won a NC and played for another. The BBs were all in the Box.

However, when he decided to change his Offensive Scheme to a Power Rushing attack... he had a squad he'd recruited and designed for the Spread Passing attack. Huge mistake to think he could snap his fingers and make such a big change quickly in a single season. Mack just had a case of Saban/Alabama scheme envy after losing to Nick's team. Many of the BBs escaped the Box.

Another bunch of BBs exited the Box when Colt McCoy was injured in the Bama game and Mack didn't have a backup QB prepared to step in and play. Mack had tried so hard to run up statistics for Colt's Heisman campaign that he kept McCoy on the field far too long in far too many games when he should have been getting snaps and experience for Garrett Gilbert. But he didn't... and Gilbert wasn't ready to step in behind center when McCoy was injured.

After those two things, the BBs were scattered and Mack's ego got in his way to the point that putting them all back in the Box looked like the outsized job it clearly would have been. By that time, Mack should have done the honorable thing and resigned.

I thanked him for the good times and forgave him for the bad times.

 

 

[GDI]

1 hour ago, Jc Dobbs said:

However, when he decided to change his Offensive Scheme to a Power Rushing attack... he had a squad he'd recruited and designed for the Spread Passing attack. Huge mistake to think he could snap his fingers and make such a big change quickly in a single season. Mack just had a case of Saban/Alabama scheme envy after losing to Nick's team. Many of the BBs escaped the Box.

It's ironic that Saban started changing his offense from a more one dimensional look to a more open offense at that time.  He realized he needed to change and Mack went backwards. 

[Oldest Horn]

9 hours ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

The standard wasn’t who left. The standard was that he was actively trying to undermine the roster. 

Also, Mack out “killing himself” on the road for the Florida recruit was clearly a move to get him out of Austin and away from the heat. 

So who did he tell to transfer?

And I don’t doubt he was avoiding the heat in Austin. But somehow he wasn’t telling Percy Hardin to go to Florida. 
 

Mack did a lot of bitter stuff at the end. But a strong admin/AD could have nipped that in the bud. 

[Hashtag]

2 hours ago, GDI said:

It's ironic that Saban started changing his offense from a more one dimensional look to a more open offense at that time.  He realized he needed to change and Mack went backwards. 

The thing is Saban's offense didn't completely change the entire scheme and identity,. they just added more passing concepts to their offense. Mack changed the entire offensive scheme and identity.

[Hashtag]

15 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

So who did he tell to transfer?

And I don’t doubt he was avoiding the heat in Austin. But somehow he wasn’t telling Percy Hardin to go to Florida. 
 

Mack did a lot of bitter stuff at the end. But a strong admin/AD could have nipped that in the bud. 

Deloss was a terrible AD outside of making money but I think any AD of Texas through the late 90s to early 10s would have netted huge financial gains. 

[Oldest Horn]

4 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Deloss was a terrible AD outside of making money but I think any AD of Texas through the late 90s to early 10s would have netted huge financial gains. 

Yep. He was awful. Naming that street outside the stadium for him is a travesty. 

[Oldest Horn]

4 hours ago, Jc Dobbs said:

Looking back on Mack's last few years at Texas, I have thought Mack himself was a good example of his saying about BBs contained in the Box.

For example, when Mack got everything rolling  (staff, recruiting, coaching and winning) he was successful and won a NC and played for another. The BBs were all in the Box.

However, when he decided to change his Offensive Scheme to a Power Rushing attack... he had a squad he'd recruited and designed for the Spread Passing attack. Huge mistake to think he could snap his fingers and make such a big change quickly in a single season. Mack just had a case of Saban/Alabama scheme envy after losing to Nick's team. Many of the BBs escaped the Box.

Another bunch of BBs exited the Box when Colt McCoy was injured in the Bama game and Mack didn't have a backup QB prepared to step in and play. Mack had tried so hard to run up statistics for Colt's Heisman campaign that he kept McCoy on the field far too long in far too many games when he should have been getting snaps and experience for Garrett Gilbert. But he didn't... and Gilbert wasn't ready to step in behind center when McCoy was injured.

After those two things, the BBs were scattered and Mack's ego got in his way to the point that putting them all back in the Box looked like the outsized job it clearly would have been. By that time, Mack should have done the honorable thing and resigned.

I thanked him for the good times and forgave him for the bad times.

 

 

I think he was going to retire had we won that game. To this day he really felt we had a far more talented squad - history suggests otherwise. He let that loss eat at him and lost his bearings. Ironically, Mus has proven he wouldn’t have done much better. And a weak admin didn’t help. Think CDC would have put up with those antics? Not for a minute. 
 

Funny that it played out similarly at UNC this year. But “trying to sabotage the roster” is a bit off the rails. 

[Bobby_Batronic]

1 hour ago, Oldest Horn said:

So who did he tell to transfer?

And I don’t doubt he was avoiding the heat in Austin. But somehow he wasn’t telling Percy Hardin to go to Florida. 
 

Mack did a lot of bitter stuff at the end. But a strong admin/AD could have nipped that in the bud. 

Memory is fading in who he was talking to. 
 

I get it. In one sense he was just trying to “help his guys” as he was on the way out, and also be up front with recruits, but it was also a low thing to do to his replacement. 
 

You commit to the school and not the staff was a thing until it wasn’t I guess. 

[Oldest Horn]

11 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

Memory is fading in who he was talking to. 
 

I get it. In one sense he was just trying to “help his guys” as he was on the way out, and also be up front with recruits, but it was also a low thing to do to his replacement. 
 

You commit to the school and not the staff was a thing until it wasn’t I guess. 

One only ones I remember were recruits after he resigned and we were still in limbo as far as who the new coach would be. New staffs have been known to rescind offers. So “trying to sabotage the roster” Mack suggested it might be a good time to reassess - the horror!

As far as school vs coach I take it you’re unfamiliar with the Dave McWilliams/John Mackovic/Charlie Strong/Tom Herman eras. 

[jake_don]

Won't be watching this one 

[Bobby_Batronic]

5 hours ago, Oldest Horn said:

One only ones I remember were recruits after he resigned and we were still in limbo as far as who the new coach would be. New staffs have been known to rescind offers. So “trying to sabotage the roster” Mack suggested it might be a good time to reassess - the horror!

As far as school vs coach I take it you’re unfamiliar with the Dave McWilliams/John Mackovic/Charlie Strong/Tom Herman eras. 

I know you get off on confrontation when we possible. You can indulge elsewhere. I’m not here for your jollies. 

[Oldest Horn]

48 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

I know you get off on confrontation when we possible. You can indulge elsewhere. I’m not here for your jollies. 

I try to avoid disparaging terms like sabotage when describing discussing former coaches. Especially when I’m a little vague on the details/truth. 
 

But you do you. You clearly have the moral  high ground here.