Ohio St. names Sayin as starter

[LovingBuckeye]

10 hours ago, Lnghrn said:

Last season Texas struggled to run the ball between the tackles because we had a 190lb rb.  Our big back, who Nick Saban, called the top rb in college football, missed the entire season due to a ligament injury.  He’s still not 100%, but will play on 8/30 and we have other backs this year that can run between the tackles and we have a much more athletic qb.  Ohio St lost 2 top rbs to the draft and they still ran for less than 100 yards in the cotton bowl.  We’ll see how what happens this year with the run game.  Also realize Ohio st will likely not have a run threat at qb, and UT will this year.  

“He’s still not 100%”

In my humble opinion, Ohio State’s interior defensive line has an advantage over Texas’ IOL.

[LovingBuckeye]

14 minutes ago, 4thandFive said:

2025 Alabama is better than the last few years and 2023 Michigan cheated and 2024 Michigan was a mess. So I don’t think it’s “abandoning reason” to say that I think Alabama would beat them this year. 

“2024 Michigan was a mess”

Yes, that is kind of our point. Michigan still beat Alabama.

[LovingBuckeye]

2 hours ago, TBux said:

.....and just for the record, I don't know what fellow Buckeye fan is smoking, but there is a virtually zero chance we score 31 on your defense. The only way that happens is if Arch struggles with the noise, the pressure and disguised coverages he's gonna see in the back end and turns the ball over too many times which is a distinct possiblity. I expect both defenses to control the game for the most part. At the end of the day I think we have more weapons and home field advantage that is the difference....still working on score prediction but we ain't scoring 31 without Arch's help but I just don't see Sark giving him that kind of rope

In fairness to my prediction, Vegas has Ohio State’s o/u at 24.5. I don’t think it is unreasonable to think Ohio State gets a couple field goals or a short field touchdown off a turnover to get to 30-31 points.

[4thandFive]

7 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

“2024 Michigan was a mess”

Yes, that is kind of our point. Michigan still beat Alabama.

Again. You know as well as I that talking about one year in college football doesn’t mean much of anything for the next year. *pre-season rankings are so bogus in college football.  
 

I still do not see how you think the middle of the B1G is thicker than the middle of the SEC. By all accounts, this is the deepest the SEC has been in a long time. I’d argue the B1G is the top-heaviest league there is in the major divisions. 

Edited 3 hours ago by 4thandFive

[LovingBuckeye]

8 minutes ago, 4thandFive said:

Again. You know as well as I that talking about one year in college football doesn’t mean much of anything for the next year. *pre-season rankings are so bogus in college football.  
 

I still do not see how you think the middle of the B1G is thicker than the middle of the SEC. By all accounts, this is the deepest the SEC has been in a long time. I’d argue the B1G is the top-heaviest league there is in the major divisions. 

This is also the deepest the B1G has ever been. Either way, it’ll be settled on the field. I think LSU is certainly losing at Clemson. If Texas isn’t able to pull the upset in Columbus, it’s looking like another year of the SEC being mocked.

If Michigan is able to pull off the upset in Norman, oooof

Edited 3 hours ago by LovingBuckeye

[Here for the Wins]

You need to think about him wearing jorts and a Bobby Hoying jersey, maybe Andy Katzenmoyer and any perspective after that makes sense.

[LovingBuckeye]

Just now, Here for the Wins said:

You need to think about him wearing jorts and a Bobby Hoying jersey, maybe Andy Katzenmoyer and any perspective after that makes sense.

This man knows his history! +1

[4thandFive]

4 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

This is also the deepest the B1G has ever been. Either way, it’ll be settled on the field. I think LSU is certainly losing at Clemson. If Texas isn’t able to pull the upset in Columbus, it’s looking like another year of the SEC being mocked.

If Michigan is able to pull off the upset in Norman, oooof

1. We’ll have to agree to disagree. 
2. Texas losing on the road in Columbus wouldn’t constitute anybody being “mocked”- you’re the favorite in the game.

3. Beating an Oklahoma team that has struggled consistently under Venables isn’t really a benchmark for B1G/SEC prowess. 

[Ironmanz35]

18 minutes ago, 4thandFive said:

1. We’ll have to agree to disagree. 
2. Texas losing on the road in Columbus wouldn’t constitute anybody being “mocked”- you’re the favorite in the game.

3. Beating an Oklahoma team that has struggled consistently under Venables isn’t really a benchmark for B1G/SEC prowess. 

2. Agree as long as it is not a 15+ point victory by either team they should not drop much in the rankings.

3. Oklahoma is not the Oklahoma of old, and Michigan has a True Frosh QB.  Regardless these are the two (SEC vs. BIG) to use as a measuring stick early this season.

[Ironmanz35]

43 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

In fairness to my prediction, Vegas has Ohio State’s o/u at 24.5. I don’t think it is unreasonable to think Ohio State gets a couple field goals or a short field touchdown off a turnover to get to 30-31 points.

I see this as a 31-24 type game.

[Ironmanz35]

36 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

This is also the deepest the B1G has ever been. Either way, it’ll be settled on the field. I think LSU is certainly losing at Clemson. If Texas isn’t able to pull the upset in Columbus, it’s looking like another year of the SEC being mocked.

If Michigan is able to pull off the upset in Norman, oooof

Big was 6-4 vs SEC last year.

[LovingBuckeye]

23 minutes ago, Ironmanz35 said:

Big was 6-4 vs SEC last year.

Sure was. Winning the national championship is the almighty Trump card. Especially when the B1G went 4-1 against teams competing for the playoffs. 

[LovingBuckeye]

28 minutes ago, Ironmanz35 said:

I see this as a 31-24 type game.

That wouldn’t surprise me one bit. 

[Philip Barber]

13 hours ago, LovingBuckeye said:

In your opinion what would be the best Texas podcast to listen to for accurate and intelligent insights? I enjoy learning as much as possible about the teams Ohio State plays as well.

I like Coffee and Football and listen a little bit every day.  However, I think Inside Texas has great guys on the X and O’s of the game.  Both are pro Texas no doubt but Bobby Burton tries to be fair about things.  C.J. Is good but perhaps more homer.  Gerry is great on recruits, all recruits even on Texas kids.  The It guys shoot straight, and Ian knows how the game is played.  247 they are good overall.,  

[Ironmanz35]

4 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

That wouldn’t surprise me one bit. 

Ohio State has to keep Sayin clean so the Tackles need to have their head on a swivel.  I believe if they do this then Sayin will have a big day.  I am guessing Day will let him sling it early and often.  I see Klare as a big X-factor picking up chunk yards in this game.  Also I see the Freshman Bo Jackson taking over as lead back by week 4.  

Arch will be a problem, but the OSU secondary vs Texas WR is advantageous to OSU.

Texas will probably try to establish a run game, but OSU will give some 3-4 looks with LB crashing gaps on run blitzes to neutralize this.  Interested to see what the D-Line does that is the biggest question for OSU defense this year.  

Offense will be fine 4 great options to distribute the ball to.  RB unproven but as mentioned I would not be surprised to see Bo getting 8-10 carries in this game.  Biggest question is how well these RB can pass block and or catch the ball on check downs and pick up yards.  There will be times Sayin is scrambling for his life next Saturday.

[4thandFive]

2 minutes ago, Ironmanz35 said:

Ohio State has to keep Sayin clean so the Tackles need to have their head on a swivel.  I believe if they do this then Sayin will have a big day.  I am guessing Day will let him sling it early and often.  I see Klare as a big X-factor picking up chunk yards in this game.  Also I see the Freshman Bo Jackson taking over as lead back by week 4.  

Arch will be a problem, but the OSU secondary vs Texas WR is advantageous to OSU.

Texas will probably try to establish a run game, but OSU will give some 3-4 looks with LB crashing gaps on run blitzes to neutralize this.  Interested to see what the D-Line does that is the biggest question for OSU defense this year.  

Offense will be fine 4 great options to distribute the ball to.  RB unproven but as mentioned I would not be surprised to see Bo getting 8-10 carries in this game.  Biggest question is how well these RB can pass block and or catch the ball on check downs and pick up yards.  There will be times Sayin is scrambling for his life next Saturday.

Do you not think Texas’ DBs are going to be a problem?

[LovingBuckeye]

9 minutes ago, Philip Barber said:

I like Coffee and Football and listen a little bit every day.  However, I think Inside Texas has great guys on the X and O’s of the game.  Both are pro Texas no doubt but Bobby Burton tries to be fair about things.  C.J. Is good but perhaps more homer.  Gerry is great on recruits, all recruits even on Texas kids.  The It guys shoot straight, and Ian knows how the game is played.  247 they are good overall.,  

Perfect, that is exactly what I was looking for! I just followed the show on Apple Podcasts. If interested in an Ohio State podcast, easy 15-30 minute listen, it would be “Austin & Birm”.  This is a daily podcast as well.

[LovingBuckeye]

3 minutes ago, 4thandFive said:

Do you not think Texas’ DBs are going to be a problem?

I am worried about Texas’ scheme, not the DBs after losing Barron. Maybe that’s a bad take? 

[LovingBuckeye]

8 minutes ago, Ironmanz35 said:

Ohio State has to keep Sayin clean so the Tackles need to have their head on a swivel.  I believe if they do this then Sayin will have a big day.  I am guessing Day will let him sling it early and often.  I see Klare as a big X-factor picking up chunk yards in this game.  Also I see the Freshman Bo Jackson taking over as lead back by week 4.  

Arch will be a problem, but the OSU secondary vs Texas WR is advantageous to OSU.

Texas will probably try to establish a run game, but OSU will give some 3-4 looks with LB crashing gaps on run blitzes to neutralize this.  Interested to see what the D-Line does that is the biggest question for OSU defense this year.  

Offense will be fine 4 great options to distribute the ball to.  RB unproven but as mentioned I would not be surprised to see Bo getting 8-10 carries in this game.  Biggest question is how well these RB can pass block and or catch the ball on check downs and pick up yards.  There will be times Sayin is scrambling for his life next Saturday.

Bringing up RB3, I can tell this man knows his stuff!

I can see Bo Jackson possibly overtaking CJ Donaldson Jr as RB2, however James Peoples should be a very good lead back. I think most Ohio State fans would be surprised if James Peoples isn’t RB1 the rest of his time at Ohio State. He’s been compared to JK Dobbins a lot.

[TBux]

1 hour ago, Ironmanz35 said:

The game will come down to which QB does not make mistakes.

Sayin has zero collegiate experience to speak of.  His talent is undeniable, he has the weapons around him but what will that translate to on the field and how long of a leash does he get?

Arch has some experience but looking at the numbers he did not face any noteworthy defenses.  Arch's running ability is an X-factor but he has never seen a D or hostile environment like the shoe, if his line can keep him clean long enough to make plays with his arm that will open up his opportunities to run.

ULM 51-3

15/29 258 yds,  2td 2 picks. They were the 84th Defense in D1 and the 9th defense in Sunbelt conference

 

Miss St-35-13 

26/31 325 yds,  2td/o picks.  Good game against but against 125th defense in D1

 

UTSA 56-7

9/12 223yds, 4TD/0 Picks. They were 71st Defense in D1

 

I agree 100%, That's why I expect a solid dose of QB run early to try and stay ahead of the chains. 3rd and long is gonna be a helluva challenge having to go silent count for a newbie QB in that environment. I can't see Sark trying to push the ball downfield much on 3rd down. Much easier for task for Sayin not having to deal with the crowd noise. Sayin is not the same run threat as Arch but the kid has a quick release, a good pocket presence and is mobile enough to extend plays. Wouldn't be surprised to see short yardage/goal line packages for our backup QB Kienholz, not unlike Arch was used last year. 

We did lose alot of experence on the back end but we've got a 3 year starter on the field corner and our #3 corner last year taking the boundary. At safety we did lose Ransom who had played alot of football, but we still have Caleb Downs, who many believe is the the best defensive player in college football our coach on the field. Replacing Ransom its gonna be one of two less experienced but very talented kids prob with more upside than Ransom. New DC in Matt Patricia, tons of experience with 16 years in the NFL earning 3 rings. We'll be more multiple than last season with a ton of plug and play kids that will allow him to get as creative as he wants with coverage and disguise. Gonna be a big challenge for Sark, Arch and the offensive staff as they're gonna have to prepare for something different and go back to NFL games for tape. 

[Ironmanz35]

16 minutes ago, 4thandFive said:

Do you not think Texas’ DBs are going to be a problem?

I did not state that, but I believe strength vs strength OSU WR are better than Texas DB's

Throw in Max Klare flexed at TE you have 4 excellent options to distribute to, not to mention any check downs to the RB.

 

Texas DE are better than OSU Tackles.  As I said they need to have their head on a swivel and Sayin has to process and release quickly, either they are forcing him to scramble and throw on the run or OSU may purposedly roll him out opposite of Simmons side. I do not seeing him with much time in the pocket.

I have nothing but respect for the Longhorns Defense.  I do not think OSU will be able to run on them, but they will have to stay with it as to not be to one dimensional. I look for OSU to use some play action to set up a couple deep shots so they can not abandon the run unless it is 4th qtr. and they are down two scores.

[4thandFive]

52 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

I am worried about Texas’ scheme, not the DBs after losing Barron. Maybe that’s a bad take? 

I can’t tell you for sure one way or another. But the reports that are coming out, who we have back as coach, and the tendencies of this group- I wouldn’t be surprised to see a very opportunistic backfield. 

[LovingBuckeye]

9 minutes ago, 4thandFive said:

I can’t tell you for sure one way or another. But the reports that are coming out, who we have back as coach, and the tendencies of this group- I wouldn’t be surprised to see a very opportunistic backfield. 

I get ya. I guess it doesn't matter because regardless Texas runs the perfect scheme to counter what Ohio State wants to do in the passing game, so I'm not expecting anything to come easier than it did in the Cotton Bowl, unless Max Klare truly is that great of a receiving threat (compared to Gee Scott Jr), to where he opens everything up.

[LovingBuckeye]

43 minutes ago, Ironmanz35 said:

I did not state that, but I believe strength vs strength OSU WR are better than Texas DB's

Throw in Max Klare flexed at TE you have 4 excellent options to distribute to, not to mention any check downs to the RB.

 

Texas DE are better than OSU Tackles.  As I said they need to have their head on a swivel and Sayin has to process and release quickly, either they are forcing him to scramble and throw on the run or OSU may purposedly roll him out opposite of Simmons side. I do not seeing him with much time in the pocket.

I have nothing but respect for the Longhorns Defense.  I do not think OSU will be able to run on them, but they will have to stay with it as to not be to one dimensional. I look for OSU to use some play action to set up a couple deep shots so they can not abandon the run unless it is 4th qtr. and they are down two scores.

I feel like these are all rational takes. I think Ohio State's OT's are going to be very good, even better than last season but Texas' DE's are advantage Texas against anybody.

In my personal opinion, I think Ohio State is going to have more success running against Texas than they did in the Cotton Bowl. Ohio State returns their entire IOL, plus Texas is replacing their top 4 DT's (from my understanding at least). I know that Texas brought in a bunch of bodies in the portal, so we will see. 

[LovingBuckeye]

55 minutes ago, TBux said:

I agree 100%, That's why I expect a solid dose of QB run early to try and stay ahead of the chains. 3rd and long is gonna be a helluva challenge having to go silent count for a newbie QB in that environment. I can't see Sark trying to push the ball downfield much on 3rd down. Much easier for task for Sayin not having to deal with the crowd noise. Sayin is not the same run threat as Arch but the kid has a quick release, a good pocket presence and is mobile enough to extend plays. Wouldn't be surprised to see short yardage/goal line packages for our backup QB Kienholz, not unlike Arch was used last year. 

We did lose alot of experence on the back end but we've got a 3 year starter on the field corner and our #3 corner last year taking the boundary. At safety we did lose Ransom who had played alot of football, but we still have Caleb Downs, who many believe is the the best defensive player in college football our coach on the field. Replacing Ransom its gonna be one of two less experienced but very talented kids prob with more upside than Ransom. New DC in Matt Patricia, tons of experience with 16 years in the NFL earning 3 rings. We'll be more multiple than last season with a ton of plug and play kids that will allow him to get as creative as he wants with coverage and disguise. Gonna be a big challenge for Sark, Arch and the offensive staff as they're gonna have to prepare for something different and go back to NFL games for tape. 

Losing Ransom could potentially be a much bigger deal than we realize, but hopefully Jaylen McClain or Malik Hartford step up in a big way, but until they do it has do be considered a downgrade.

As for CB2, Jermaine Matthews Jr is probably already better than Denzel Burke was, and has a higher ceiling. If those two would have been in the same class, I don't think Burke ever would have started over Matthews Jr. I look at it as a Quinn Ewers vs. Arch situation. Arch was clearly the future with a higher ceiling, but he was never going to surpass Ewers on the depth chart (unless Ewers came back this season of course), and the same goes for Denzel Burke.