Sark/Herman

[Roy Hinojosa]

[Burnt Orange Horn]

weak .....

[MBHORNSFAN]

Herman never SNIFFED a playoff. 

[Roy Hinojosa]

I don't want to hear winning is hard. I want to hear, I didn't get this team ready and I put our team on a wrong path all season.

[Oldest Horn]

1 minute ago, Roy Hinojosa said:

I don't want to hear winning is hard. I want to hear, I didn't get this team ready and I put our team on a wrong path all season.

Your press conference expectations are a bit high. 

[NothinButDaHorns34]

We sure are a spoiled ass fan base. I know this year isn’t ideal, But let’s not act like sark didn’t turn this thing around for us in a major way two years ago. 

[LonghornFan4Ever]

Is Sark better than 2010-2013 Brown?  Yes.  Is he better than Strong?  Yes.  Is he better than Herman?  Yes.  Unfortunately, unless he has some self awareness like Ryan Day did, the previous two seasons will be his peak.  Ohio State and Georgia is what it should look like.  They lose a lot every season and still find a way to crank out double digit win seasons and get to the CFP.

[TexasLonghorns]

58 minutes ago, MBHORNSFAN said:

Herman never SNIFFED a playoff. 

Saying Tom Herman never sniffed a playoff ignores a ton of context. Back then, there was no legal NIL, no transfer portal, and the playoff only included four teams. Sark has had every modern advantage, top 5 recruiting classes, unlimited transfers, NIL flexibility. The transfer portal alone gives Texas benefits Herman never had, it lets you fill roster gaps immediately with experienced players, upgrade weak positions on the fly, and replace attrition quickly. Essentially, it’s a tool to fine tune the roster every year in ways previous coaches could only dream of. Yet here we are: five seasons in, and Sark would have made the playoff only once if it still only took the top four teams like Herman’s era. That’s the reality 

[Bobby Burton]

4 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Saying Tom Herman never sniffed a playoff ignores a ton of context. Back then, there was no legal NIL, no transfer portal, and the playoff only included four teams. Sark has had every modern advantage, top 5 recruiting classes, unlimited transfers, NIL flexibility. The transfer portal alone gives Texas benefits Herman never had, it lets you fill roster gaps immediately with experienced players, upgrade weak positions on the fly, and replace attrition quickly. Essentially, it’s a tool to fine tune the roster every year in ways previous coaches could only dream of. Yet here we are: five seasons in, and Sark would have made the playoff only once if it still only took the top four teams like Herman’s era. That’s the reality 

So you’re saying Herman would have done as well as Sark did the last two seasons?

Highly, highly doubt it. Losing culture overall because the majority of his players did not trust him or believe in him. 

[aaronstein5]

Herman never managed the roster well. 

[Oldest Horn]

15 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Saying Tom Herman never sniffed a playoff ignores a ton of context. Back then, there was no legal NIL, no transfer portal, and the playoff only included four teams. Sark has had every modern advantage, top 5 recruiting classes, unlimited transfers, NIL flexibility. The transfer portal alone gives Texas benefits Herman never had, it lets you fill roster gaps immediately with experienced players, upgrade weak positions on the fly, and replace attrition quickly. Essentially, it’s a tool to fine tune the roster every year in ways previous coaches could only dream of. Yet here we are: five seasons in, and Sark would have made the playoff only once if it still only took the top four teams like Herman’s era. That’s the reality 

Herman could recruit skill guys but was awful on the line of scrimmage. He did well early on with Charlie’s guys, at least better than Charlie did. But by 2020 recruiting went aground and the well was drying out. 

[drag worm]

Herman definitely never had a $30mm roster to work with. 

[TexasLonghorns]

45 minutes ago, Bobby Burton said:

So you’re saying Herman would have done as well as Sark did the last two seasons?

Highly, highly doubt it. Losing culture overall because the majority of his players did not trust him or believe in him. 

I’m not saying Herman would have done exactly the same, and he had his issues. The point is context: Herman didn’t have NIL, the transfer portal, or the ability to plug roster gaps with experienced players, the difference these aspects make is massive. Denying that would be ignoring how much modern tools can change a program’s trajectory, especially Texas. Sark has had all of these advantages, yet five seasons in, the offense is still predictable, QBs are underdeveloped, and the team has no identity. That’s not opinion, it’s observable evidence on tape, in stats, and in outcomes.

[GoHorns1]

Herman was hated by players end of discussion!

[Assistant Regional Manager]

1 hour ago, TexasLonghorns said:

I’m not saying Herman would have done exactly the same, and he had his issues. The point is context: Herman didn’t have NIL, the transfer portal, or the ability to plug roster gaps with experienced players, the difference these aspects make is massive.

Huh? No other team had access to NIL or the transfer portal during his time either. He had the same built in recruiting advantages every Texas coach has had the last 30 years.

What type of context do you need to know that Tom Herman never lost fewer than 3 games in a season, was hated by his player, went 1-4 vs Oklahoma, embarrassed the university publicly multiple times and left us with 7 scholarship offensive lineman. 

He never sniffed the playoff. There is no further context needed. He was a boneheaded coach who produced inconsistent results and is currently unemployed after being fired in less than 2 years from his job after Texas.

[drag worm]

25 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

Huh? No other team had access to NIL or the transfer portal during his time either. He had the same built in recruiting advantages every Texas coach has had the last 30 years.

What type of context do you need to know that Tom Herman never lost fewer than 3 games in a season, was hated by his player, went 1-4 vs Oklahoma, embarrassed the university publicly multiple times and left us with 7 scholarship offensive lineman. 

He never sniffed the playoff. There is no further context needed. He was a boneheaded coach who produced inconsistent results and is currently unemployed after being fired in less than 2 years from his job after Texas.

Come on man. Georgia signed 18 five stars between the three 2018-2020 classes. You don’t think they had a major payroll for that team? He learned the whole scheme from Saban. Urban Mafia at Ohio State, LSU church slush funds, we have never been on an even playing field with the most rogue programs except for maybe 2002-2004 when Mack and the program got especially desperate while getting pants’d in Dallas annually. And look what happened the next few years. 

Edited 1 hour ago by drag worm

[Assistant Regional Manager]

1 minute ago, drag worm said:

Come on man. Georgia signed 18 five starts between the three 2018-2020 classes. You don’t think they had a major payroll for that team? He learned the whole scheme from Saban. Urban Mafia at Ohio State, LSU church slush funds, we have never been on an even playing field  with the rogue program except for maybe 2002-2004 when Mack and the program got especially desperate while getting pants’d in Dallas annually. And look what happened the next few years. 

Herman couldn’t beat TCU, Oklahoma State or Iowa State. What type of playing field were we on compared to them?

[Oldest Horn]

2 hours ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Saying Tom Herman never sniffed a playoff ignores a ton of context. Back then, there was no legal NIL, no transfer portal, and the playoff only included four teams. Sark has had every modern advantage, top 5 recruiting classes, unlimited transfers, NIL flexibility. The transfer portal alone gives Texas benefits Herman never had, it lets you fill roster gaps immediately with experienced players, upgrade weak positions on the fly, and replace attrition quickly. Essentially, it’s a tool to fine tune the roster every year in ways previous coaches could only dream of. Yet here we are: five seasons in, and Sark would have made the playoff only once if it still only took the top four teams like Herman’s era. That’s the reality 

So Herman only had what every other program had. Just like Sark today. Gotcha. 

[Oldest Horn]

3 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

Herman couldn’t beat TCU, Oklahoma State or Iowa State. What type of playing field were we on compared to them?

1-4 vs OU as well. 

[HornsInAmarillo]

5 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

So Herman only had what every other program had. Just like Sark today. Gotcha. 

You honestly believe we spend the same amount on NIL as everyone else??? Don’t think all of the offensive players are coming just to play on Sark’s very imaginative offense!

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, HornsInAmarillo said:

You honestly believe we spend the same amount on NIL as everyone else??? Don’t think all of the offensive players are coming just to play on Sark’s very imaginative offense!

You honestly believe Oh St, Georgia, Bama, Mich, Oregon, Penn St, aggy, et al, aren’t playing in the same space?
 

Penn St just paid a guy $50 million not to coach, aggy has about that much left to pat. They got the money. 

[TexasLonghorns]

39 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

Huh? No other team had access to NIL or the transfer portal during his time either. He had the same built in recruiting advantages every Texas coach has had the last 30 years.

What type of context do you need to know that Tom Herman never lost fewer than 3 games in a season, was hated by his player, went 1-4 vs Oklahoma, embarrassed the university publicly multiple times and left us with 7 scholarship offensive lineman. 

He never sniffed the playoff. There is no further context needed. He was a boneheaded coach who produced inconsistent results and is currently unemployed after being fired in less than 2 years from his job after Texas.

Again, nobody’s defending Herman, he had plenty of flaws. Saying Herman “never sniffed the playoffs” without context is not just incomplete, it’s ignorance. The playoff system during Herman’s era only included four teams, and the roster rules were strict, no NIL, no transfer portal, no plug and play experienced replacements. Sark, on the other hand, has had every modern advantage Herman didn’t….NIL, the transfer portal, and the ability to overhaul a roster instantly. Even using Herman era metrics, Sark would have made the playoff only once in five seasons, and remove the portal advantage and the odds drop substantially. Put simply: having all the modern advantages doesn’t excuse the flaws we still see on the field, especially offensively in year 5 against bottom tier teams like Florida and Kentucky. 

[Oldest Horn]

2 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Again, nobody’s defending Herman, he had plenty of flaws. Saying Herman “never sniffed the playoffs” without context is not just incomplete, it’s ignorance. The playoff system during Herman’s era only included four teams, and the roster rules were strict, no NIL, no transfer portal, no plug and play experienced replacements. Sark, on the other hand, has had every modern advantage Herman didn’t….NIL, the transfer portal, and the ability to overhaul a roster instantly. Even using Herman era metrics, Sark would have made the playoff only once in five seasons, and remove the portal advantage and the odds drop substantially. Put simply: having all the modern advantages doesn’t excuse the flaws we still see on the field, especially offensively in year 5 against bottom tier teams like Florida and Kentucky. 

Herman lost too many games he shouldn’t have, while losing virtually all he was expected to. The fact he often made those games more competitive than expected was a bit of a plus. 

[drag worm]

17 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

Herman couldn’t beat TCU, Oklahoma State or Iowa State. What type of playing field were we on compared to them?

I’m not defending Herman for those exact reasons. I’m talking about the assertion that no one else had funds available to them. Many did.

[Oldest Horn]

1 minute ago, drag worm said:

I’m not defending Herman for those exact reasons. I’m talking about the assertion that no one else had funds available to them. Many did.

Who had NIL money during the Herman era?