Sark/Herman

[HornsInAmarillo]

12 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

You honestly believe Oh St, Georgia, Bama, Mich, Oregon, Penn St, aggy, et al, aren’t playing in the same space?
 

Penn St just paid a guy $50 million not to coach, aggy has about that much left to pat. They got the money. 

Herman dealt with several teams paying illegally out of pocket. Sark is definitely in the top 10 schools for spending. He has zero reason to ever have this type of regression. 

[Steamboat Willie]

3 hours ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Saying Tom Herman never sniffed a playoff ignores a ton of context. Back then, there was no legal NIL, no transfer portal, and the playoff only included four teams. Sark has had every modern advantage, top 5 recruiting classes, unlimited transfers, NIL flexibility. The transfer portal alone gives Texas benefits Herman never had, it lets you fill roster gaps immediately with experienced players, upgrade weak positions on the fly, and replace attrition quickly. Essentially, it’s a tool to fine tune the roster every year in ways previous coaches could only dream of. Yet here we are: five seasons in, and Sark would have made the playoff only once if it still only took the top four teams like Herman’s era. That’s the reality 

Let’s be perfectly frank, Herman was a fraud and really not a great person. 

[Oldest Horn]

1 minute ago, HornsInAmarillo said:

Herman dealt with several teams paying illegally out of pocket. Sark is definitely in the top 10 schools for spending. He has zero reason to ever have this type of regression. 

Yes, the old “everyone cheats, except us” routine. In that case Herman couldn’t do what Mack was able to despite being a marginal upgrade over Strong. 

[Oldest Horn]

3 minutes ago, Steamboat Willie said:

Let’s be perfectly frank, Herman was a fraud and really not a great person. 

Neither was Meyer, but he won. 

[Steamboat Willie]

1 minute ago, Oldest Horn said:

Neither was Meyer, but he won. 

Meyer won, Herman not so much, his results were very marginal. 

[drag worm]

16 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

Who had NIL money during the Herman era?

I didn’t say NIL money. 

[Assistant Regional Manager]

30 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Saying Herman “never sniffed the playoffs” without context is not just incomplete, it’s ignorance. The playoff system during Herman’s era only included four teams

This is an hilarious conversation for someone who spent all their time on 247 back in the day ripping on Herman to now all of a sudden trying to apply context to his tenure.

When there is a 4 team playoff and you never come close to making it, you never sniffed the playoffs. There is no ifs, ands or buts. For someone who spends all their time on here talking down to people who try to apply context to current situations, it is sure strange to see you hitching your wagon to “Herman didn’t have the same advantages we have now” narrative.

Edited 3 hours ago by Assistant Regional Manager

[HornsInAmarillo]

15 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

Yes, the old “everyone cheats, except us” routine. In that case Herman couldn’t do what Mack was able to despite being a marginal upgrade over Strong. 

Where did I say everyone cheats??? I’ll wait. 

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, HornsInAmarillo said:

Where did I say everyone cheats??? I’ll wait. 

So who was?

[Oldest Horn]

8 minutes ago, drag worm said:

I didn’t say NIL money. 

What money? And who?

[Thanos72]

4 hours ago, Roy Hinojosa said:

I don't want to hear winning is hard. I want to hear, I didn't get this team ready and I put our team on a wrong path all season.

You’re never going to hear what you want. I’d be disappointed if our HC broke out his diary to appease clueless fans.

None of us could do what he has done and none of us, no one, wants to win more than he does. He needs help with some blind spots but is still a great leader for this team. If he proves he can’t evolve, then we do what has to be done. 

[HornsInAmarillo]

22 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

So who was?

You literally said everyone. I guess you’re right. You always think you’re right. Just like the sunshine pumping mods on here. 

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, HornsInAmarillo said:

You literally said everyone. I guess you’re right. You always think you’re right. Just like the sunshine pumping mods on here. 

Once more, so who was?

[drag worm]

16 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

What money? And who?

How far back do you want me to go? Alabama boosters paid Albert Means $200,000 to go to Alabama 20+ years ago. You think the market actually went down with the revenue growth and pressure to win in this sport? Speaking of the market, once it all went legal with NIL ever wonder why the market was set where it was so quickly? Kirby was driving prices up like crazy over those few pre-covid years. 18 five stars in three years. That came straight from an orange bowl committee member. 
 

There’s also this: 

https://youtu.be/Xwhn2yBZpLg?feature=shared

 

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, drag worm said:

How far back do you want me to go? Alabama boosters paid Albert Means $200,000 to go to Alabama 20+ years ago. You think the market actually went down with the revenue growth and pressure to win in this sport? Speaking of the market, once it all went legal with NIL ever wonder why the market was set where it was so quickly? Kirby was driving prices up like crazy over those few pre-covid years. 18 five stars in three years. That came straight from an orange bowl committee member. 
 

There’s also this: 

https://youtu.be/Xwhn2yBZpLg?feature=shared

 

The Herman era. And do highlight how different it was for him than any other coach over the last 25 years. 

[TexasLonghorns]

44 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

This is an hilarious conversation for someone who spent all their time on 247 back in the day ripping on Herman to now all of a sudden trying to apply context to his tenure.

When there is a 4 team playoff and you never come close to making it, you never sniffed the playoffs. There is no ifs, ands or buts. For someone who spends all their time on here talking down to people who try to apply context to current situations, it is sure strange to see you hitching your wagon to “Herman didn’t have the same advantages we have now” narrative.

Funny enough, pointing out context isn’t hitching a wagon, it’s applying the same critical thinking you expect from others. Saying Herman “never sniffed the playoffs” without mentioning the four team limit, no NIL, no portal, and no plug and play roster flexibility is literally ignoring half the playing field. Sark has had all of those tools, top 5 recruiting, unlimited roster flexibility, full program backing and five years in, the offense is still predictable, QBs regress, and the team lacks identity. Context matters because it shows why results mean more than just a single stat…Herman struggled under limitations, Sark hasn’t maximized advantages.

[HornsInAmarillo]

17 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

The Herman era. And do highlight how different it was for him than any other coach over the last 25 years. 

You really are dense, aren’t you. Bye bye!

[CHorn427]

5 hours ago, LonghornFan4Ever said:

Is Sark better than 2010-2013 Brown?  Yes.  Is he better than Strong?  Yes.  Is he better than Herman?  Yes.  Unfortunately, unless he has some self awareness like Ryan Day did, the previous two seasons will be his peak.  Ohio State and Georgia is what it should look like.  They lose a lot every season and still find a way to crank out double digit win seasons and get to the CFP.

Double digit wins and the CFP is not impossible this year

[LonghornFan4Ever]

4 minutes ago, CHorn427 said:

Double digit wins and the CFP is not impossible this year

Technically yes, but unless the team we saw in Dallas shows up in the last 5 regular season games, highly unlikely.

I will add if Sark wins these next 5 games to get them to 10-2, Atlanta, and the CFP, it would be the best coaching job of his career by far.

Edited 2 hours ago by LonghornFan4Ever

[Oldest Horn]

7 minutes ago, HornsInAmarillo said:

You really are dense, aren’t you. Bye bye!

So you don’t know. Gotcha 

[Assistant Regional Manager]

29 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Herman struggled under limitations

Oh my lord. Give me a damn break. The only limitations Herman had is ones he placed on himself by doing stupid stuff like refusing to call his players by name and getting into an elevator with a key stater and not acknowledging his existence.

I know you strongly dislike the current coach but this is one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen in my life. Your act is so old. So, so old.

Edited 2 hours ago by Assistant Regional Manager

[jonbailey]

Attributing Sark's success to changes in the College Football landscape is silly. If Herman and Sark are the same level coach / program manager, then why is Sark employed and Herman is sitting on a couch. Have all the other ADs in the country missed something? Was Florida Atlantic the only school to see his brilliance? Does Nick Saben have a history of hiring fools who cant coach? 

Edited 44 minutes ago by jonbailey

[TexasLonghorns]

1 hour ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

Oh my lord. Give me a damn break. The only limitations Herman had is ones he placed on himself by doing stupid stuff like refusing to call his players by name and getting into an elevator with a key stater and not acknowledging his existence.

I know you strongly dislike the current coach but this is one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen in my life. Your act is so old. So, so old.

None of that changes the facts. Herman’s mistakes and personality issues don’t alter the structural realities: four-team playoff, no NIL, no transfer portal, no plug and play roster fixes. Sark has all of those advantages, and yet five years in, the offense is still predictable, QBs regress, and the team lacks identity. This isn’t about “disliking” anyone, it’s about observing what actually happens on the field. Results matter more than anecdotes unfortunately 

[Oldest Horn]

4 minutes ago, TexasLonghorns said:

None of that changes the facts. Herman’s mistakes and personality issues don’t alter the structural realities: four-team playoff, no NIL, no transfer portal, no plug and play roster fixes. Sark has all of those advantages, and yet five years in, the offense is still predictable, QBs regress, and the team lacks identity. This isn’t about “disliking” anyone, it’s about observing what actually happens on the field. Results matter more than anecdotes unfortunately 

Once more, no one had the NIL or portal either. I don’t see Herman excelling under the new rules any more the old ones. Recruiting was a major weakness of his. 

[LILP]

6 hours ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Saying Tom Herman never sniffed a playoff ignores a ton of context. Back then, there was no legal NIL, no transfer portal, and the playoff only included four teams. Sark has had every modern advantage, top 5 recruiting classes, unlimited transfers, NIL flexibility. The transfer portal alone gives Texas benefits Herman never had, it lets you fill roster gaps immediately with experienced players, upgrade weak positions on the fly, and replace attrition quickly. Essentially, it’s a tool to fine tune the roster every year in ways previous coaches could only dream of. Yet here we are: five seasons in, and Sark would have made the playoff only once if it still only took the top four teams like Herman’s era. That’s the reality 

Actually, the REALITY is that he DID MAKE 2 CFPs in a row. THAT’S THE REALITY!