Penn St dumpster fire

[Flynn]

I’m not very plugged in with other programs or news. I have grown up with Penn St being a high end football program. All I’m seeing is Penn St is responsible for more extensions of other programs coaches after letting go of their coach. How did Penn St become such a dumpster fire?

[CHorn427]

19 minutes ago, Flynn said:

I’m not very plugged in with other programs or news. I have grown up with Penn St being a high end football program. All I’m seeing is Penn St is responsible for more extensions of other programs coaches after letting go of their coach. How did Penn St become such a dumpster fire?

Tbh: by thinking they are or should be Ohio State’s equal when they aren’t and never have been.

They’ve had two HCs ALL TIME that have had 10+ win seasons in program history. They just fired the 2nd guy (that did it repeatedly in a more competitive era) before the midway point of the season. 
 

Texas has had 9 HCs get 10+ wins by comparison. 

Edited 4 hours ago by CHorn427

[Flynn]

3 minutes ago, CHorn427 said:

Tbh: by thinking they are or should be Ohio State’s equal when they aren’t and never have been.

They’ve had two HCs ALL TIME that have had 10+ win seasons in program history. They just fired the 2nd guy (that did it repeatedly in a more competitive era) before the midway point of the season. 

By no means Ohio st level, but not a poverty school in any way. What is making coaches avoid the school like the plague. 

[syracusehorn]

Well they had one coach for like 46 years, so that's not really a great argument.

[CHorn427]

3 minutes ago, syracusehorn said:

Well they had one coach for like 46 years, so that's not really a great argument.

The PSU football program existed for 84 years before JoePa and won 3 total bowl games.

I think it is a stellar argument. Why should a program be guaranteed success because there was one successful coach before you? 
 

What is Penn State’s recruiting base? Not great.

 

[CHorn427]

1 hour ago, Flynn said:

By no means Ohio st level, but not a poverty school in any way. What is making coaches avoid the school like the plague. 

The intense pressure of needing to come in and beat top 10 teams and resurrect a program with unrealistic expectations from complete collapse, at this point. 
 

Why would a promising G5 coach or 2nd tier P4 coach leave their programs where they have decent odds of making the CFP, to go to a program where it will be way more difficult? 
 

Those types of coaches are better off staying where they are with continued success in the “juniors” until a more favorable high profile job opens up. At worst they can just wait to be the “next guy” at PSU after the immediate next guy after Franklin has to deal with the fallout. 

[Ace Recruiter]

Basically pissed off Jimmie Sexton by firing Franklin. Sexton has too much power. Penn St will either way over pay for one of his guys or have to sign someone unproven at the highest levels and cross their fingers.

[Oldest Horn]

7 minutes ago, CHorn427 said:

The PSU football program existed for 84 years before JoePa and won 3 total bowl games.

I think it is a stellar argument. Why should a program be guaranteed success because there was one successful coach before you? 
 

What is Penn State’s recruiting base? Not great.

 

Bowls weren’t a huge thing before Paterno’s era. Case in point, Notre Dame’s first bowl appearance since 1925 was against us in the 1970 Cotton Bowl. The UPI didn’t even count bowl participation when determining their national title until 1974. 

[Flynn]

39 minutes ago, CHorn427 said:

The intense pressure of needing to come in and beat top 10 teams and resurrect a program with unrealistic expectations from complete collapse, at this point. 
 

Why would a promising G5 coach or 2nd tier P4 coach leave their programs where they have decent odds of making the CFP, to go to a program where it will be way more difficult? 
 

Those types of coaches are better off staying where they are with continued success in the “juniors” until a more favorable high profile job opens up. At worst they can just wait to be the “next guy” at PSU after the immediate next guy after Franklin has to deal with the fallout. 

Ok sure, Sexton and Franklin can absolutely have a large slice of the dumpster fire pie. It can’t just be that. Is it bad admin, poor recruiting hires, low alumni participation, etc?  Something more than just Sexton has contributed to this implosion. 

[FootLaw]

43 minutes ago, Ace Recruiter said:

Basically pissed off Jimmie Sexton by firing Franklin. Sexton has too much power. Penn St will either way over pay for one of his guys or have to sign someone unproven at the highest levels and cross their fingers.

There are other agents with bigger name coaches besides Sexton (Trace Armstrong).

[HelloThere]

I think it is pretty obvious they were/are big game hunting and had no backup plan. 

[Itsamystery]

43 minutes ago, HelloThere said:

I think it is pretty obvious they were/are big game hunting and had no backup plan. 

Plan for failure or failure to plan. Seems they did the latter. I cannot understand firing someone, especially mid season, without the next hire in your back pocket.

[HookemTexas]

8 minutes ago, Itsamystery said:

Plan for failure or failure to plan. Seems they did the latter. I cannot understand firing someone, especially mid season, without the next hire in your back pocket.

This is pretty much it.  If they had someone already in their back pocket, the BYU coach fiasco wouldn't have happened.  They would have just sat quietly until the person was ready to announce and one has to think that it would have been before signing day.

For grins, let's assume that it's Deboer, and because his team is still in the hunt for the playoffs, he didn't want to pull a Lane Kiffin.  Well he's just making it harder on himself when he does go to Penn St.  Why would he make it better for the old employer than for the new one?  That's why I don't think he's going.  Kiffin's move may have been a douche move, but he had to move before signing day in order to prevent recruits from bailing.