Hashtag Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Alex Butler said: That’s because Steve Patterson did him really dirty as did the board of regents. As he deserved. They asked him to do the right thing out of respect but his ego wouldn’t let him. He ran off to Florida to prolong it and cause more embarrassment. Edited November 26 by Hashtag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HookemTexas Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 14 minutes ago, JMarquette said: Ohio State ran with two starting RBs, it seriously improves our pony package. Tre Wisner isn't too bad as the other back in pony package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texcoyote15 Posted November 26 Author Share Posted November 26 I think (don’t know for sure) we were about to get Saban, but Texas was never going to fire Mack and I think it pissed him off when he thought they were courting Saban so he stayed and Saban’s agent worked a huge contract extension at Bama and the rest is history. I thought Mack could have retired on his own and they give him some job in the athletic department where he could PR kiss babies, shake hands, pat backs. I don’t know exactly but he stayed around. He was 30-21 after the Championship game where Colt got hurt. They said after that championship game Mack changed. He started blaming assistant coaches more, alot less recruiting……just kinda shut it down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Butler Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 29 minutes ago, Hashtag said: As he deserved. They asked him to do the right thing out of respect but his ego wouldn’t let him. He ran off to Florida to prolong it and cause more embarrassment. Not my memory of it. He deserved not to have them under cut him and try to hire Saban from Bama (which was unlikely to actually happen IMO). Instead, we looked like idiots, disrespecting a coach that brought us back from mediocrity, won one national championship and would’ve won another if Colt doesn’t get hurt. So instead of Saban, we lost Mack and pissed him off, and landed Charlie Strong. Patterson was a disgrace and the way everything was handled is on him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashtag Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 3 minutes ago, Alex Butler said: Not my memory of it. He deserved not to have them under cut him and try to hire Saban from Bama (which was unlikely to actually happen IMO). Instead, we looked like idiots, disrespecting a coach that brought us back from mediocrity, won one national championship and would’ve won another if Colt doesn’t get hurt. So instead of Saban, we lost Mack and pissed him off, and landed Charlie Strong. Patterson was a disgrace and the way everything was handled is on him. They gave him the Shaka Smart leave with dignity card, he was too hard headed and stubborn to take it because he thought he was bigger than our program. So we did what needed to be done because it was apparent he wasn't tanking in recruiting and not doing anything to better the program. What happened after is irrelevant to Mack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheContractor12 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, JMarquette said: Maybe - I will say this, I think Schumann stays at Georgia another year and waits on LSU (if BK doesn't get canned this year). I think LSU is going to look for a defensive minded head coach. Think LSU will hire a guy without HC experience? I don’t. They think too highly of themselves. Edited November 26 by TheContractor12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatdude2 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 17 minutes ago, Alex Butler said: Not my memory of it. He deserved not to have them under cut him and try to hire Saban from Bama (which was unlikely to actually happen IMO). Instead, we looked like idiots, disrespecting a coach that brought us back from mediocrity, won one national championship and would’ve won another if Colt doesn’t get hurt. So instead of Saban, we lost Mack and pissed him off, and landed Charlie Strong. Patterson was a disgrace and the way everything was handled is on him. Charlie ain’t gotta take a stray like that. He got family. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Butler Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 4 minutes ago, Hashtag said: They gave him the Shaka Smart leave with dignity card, he was too hard headed and stubborn to take it because he thought he was bigger than our program. So we did what needed to be done because it was apparent he wasn't tanking in recruiting and not doing anything to better the program. What happened after is irrelevant to Mack. Agree to disagree, what happened after is relevant given that we didn’t actually have to get rid of him. He had some tough seasons but was definitely better than what we landed with after the fiasco. Put yourself in Mack’s situation. Your new boss is going behind your back to poach a competitor that you feel “stole” your big deal. Then giving you the “option” to bow out gracefully and resign or get fired from a job you literally brought back into relevance. Oh and you get to do this within a few weeks because we’ve got your big replacement on the hook (we think). Was there a let down after 09, absolutely! Was it bad enough to justify what happened? Not in my opinion, but we can disagree, and still give Mack his props for what he did for Texas! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashtag Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 1 minute ago, Alex Butler said: Agree to disagree, what happened after is relevant given that we didn’t actually have to get rid of him. He had some tough seasons but was definitely better than what we landed with after the fiasco. Put yourself in Mack’s situation. Your new boss is going behind your back to poach a competitor that you feel “stole” your big deal. Then giving you the “option” to bow out gracefully and resign or get fired from a job you literally brought back into relevance. Oh and you get to do this within a few weeks because we’ve got your big replacement on the hook (we think). Was there a let down after 09, absolutely! Was it bad enough to justify what happened? Not in my opinion, but we can disagree, and still give Mack his props for what he did for Texas! What happened after 2009 was 1000% Mack's fault. He completely changed the offense from spread to a pro style without having the talent. Mack is to be blamed for that. Mack was also lazy in recruiting and that started post national title. He was lazier and lazier as the years went on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarquette Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 1 minute ago, TheContractor12 said: Think LSU will hire a guy without HC experience? I don’t. They think too highly of themselves. I think they'd do it. They'll do the whole "we're looking at everyone" thing and the usual suspects will get thrown out, Lanning, Kiffin, etc. Then they'll realize that they would rather have NIL money because they saw what happened with Underwood and go for Stein or Schumann. I also just don't see a current HC that is a "must hire" for LSU. They're going to avoid Cig because he's a Yankee like BK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Butler Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 1 minute ago, Hashtag said: What happened after 2009 was 1000% Mack's fault. He completely changed the offense from spread to a pro style without having the talent. Mack is to be blamed for that. Mack was also lazy in recruiting and that started post national title. He was lazier and lazier as the years went on. No argument there, still doesn’t justify the way he was treated on his way out imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashtag Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 2 minutes ago, Alex Butler said: No argument there, still doesn’t justify the way he was treated on his way out imo. Throw fits and act like a toddler, get treated like a toddler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Butler Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 8 minutes ago, Hashtag said: Throw fits and act like a toddler, get treated like a toddler. Again, I don’t think he threw a fit. I don’t blame him for being upset. Especially at the way it all went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_Batronic Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 1 hour ago, TheContractor12 said: No BMD on his side at UNC to screw up the next hire? Maybe if it were basketball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashtag Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raistlin Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 3 hours ago, TexasLonghorns said: 44-32 overall, 1-4 in bowl games. Not sure what UNC Football expects. Larry Fedora was 45-43 overall. And Tom Herman went 8-4 in his last season. After turning the UNC program around in his second stint, Mack reverted to his 2010-2013 Texas form. They both ended the same way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Nash Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 4 hours ago, texcoyote15 said: North Carolina is expected to fire Mack Brown, sources tell @CBSSports/@247Sports. RED BANQUET II 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltonmartinez Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Wonder if he would come back as an assistant or analyst. Would be cool. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bourbasted Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Coach Mack oversaw the most successful era of UT football in my lifetime and the natty. I'll always respect him. That said, he has a hard time knowing when it's time to move on. A word of advice my Grandpa gave me when I was young: "After dessert has been served, it's time to leave the party." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDI Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Mack staying, Charlie Strong, or Tom Herman would never have taken the program to where it should have been. 8-4 or 9-3 with no playoffs would have been the ceiling with Old Mack and Tom. Charlie would have struggled to have a winning record. Mack needed to go, to bad it took so long to find a good coach after he left. It took getting an AD that knows what he is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarquette Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Saw on Twitter that PJ Fleck is a strong contender for the UNC job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qaertyisthatdude Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Just now, JMarquette said: Saw on Twitter that PJ Fleck is a strong contender for the UNC job Wouldn't be a bad hire if that happens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashtag Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 1 minute ago, JMarquette said: Saw on Twitter that PJ Fleck is a strong contender for the UNC job Saw that and also saw Arthur Smith being mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarquette Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Just now, Hashtag said: Saw that and also saw Arthur Smith being mentioned. Arthur Smith would be so gross, I just hate that. PJ Fleck makes sense, P4 coach who can get more talent at UNC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Handler Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 UNC have any DT's we would look at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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