BobInHouston Posted February 28 Posted February 28 1 hour ago, bierce said: Golding has one thing on his resume that Terry doesn't, and that is building a program from D II and getting it into the tournament 2 of 3 years, maybe 3 straight were it not for the 2020 tournament being canceled, but I don't think it was getting past SFA in 2020. He did quite the excellent job at ACU. However, Golding's biggest drawback has been the zero improvement in the UTEP program over a four year period. At 49 years old and having made no progress with a mid-major nowhere for 4 years, he should be miles behind Wade, Murray, McCollum, Pitino, and even Olen and Odom, as a candidate to move up from the mid-majors or an assistant's job this spring. Don Haskins made UTEP into a pretty good job, and it withstood quite a bit of time, but now is not that time. Quote
Jordan91 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 4 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said: Some notes ... Jai Lucas is a done deal to Miami. Will be announced in time ... will he take Shelton Henderson with him? Very likely. What about the Boozer twins deciding to stay home? We shall see. And which former HC will be his associate HC? Someone will be Beard doing everything he can to try and get Indiana. Still hearing Scott Drew is ahead. I expect to keep hearing Quin Snyder associated with Texas rumors, or when the job comes open. He loves Austin, house a house in Austin, etc... but that doesn't mean he would leave 8mill a year in the NBA. Totally forgot about Jai recruiting Henderson. It won affect Duke too much though. Good for Jai. If it’s Beard versus Drew that’s a not brainer. Getting Drew to leave is the hard part. So we got Sean Miller, Quinn Snyder and Royal Ivey. Why would Quinn take a pay cut? Austin is beautiful, but three million less beautiful? Quote
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Hashtag Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BobInHouston said: How many guys bring up Billy Donovan, like he's going to come back to college when the basketball world knows he hates recruiting and wants to be in the NBA? (Answer: Too many.) Anyone who is thinking about coming back to college, regardless of his situation, after a decade as a HC in the NBA, has experience that most candidates don't. vs So lets not act like the people calling for Billy Donovan are so out of touch but calling for Snyder is some "expert X and O" basketball purest. It's night and day difference with Donovan being out of college for ~10 years vs a guy ~20 years removed from the college game when you throw in their performance in college. Edited February 28 by Hashtag Quote
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BobInHouston Posted February 28 Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, Hashtag said: vs So lets not act like the people calling for Billy Donovan are so out of touch but calling for Snyder is some "expert X and O" basketball purest. It's night and day difference with Donovan being out of college for ~10 years vs a guy ~20 years removed from the college game when you throw in their performance in college. If I were arguing against Donovan being a candidate, you might have a point, but I didn't argue that. I said that Donovan won't come back, but people still ask for him. Snyder went pro after a rocky finish at MU. If that were the only thing on his resume, I would question that. But, if a successful NBA HC (which QS is) is interested in your college job, you have to give him a serious look, not wishcast about a guy who is not going to be interested. Quote
Hashtag Posted February 28 Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, BobInHouston said: If I were arguing against Donovan being a candidate, you might have a point, but I didn't argue that. I said that Donovan won't come back, but people still ask for him. Snyder went pro after a rocky finish at MU. If that were the only thing on his resume, I would question that. But, if a successful NBA HC (which QS is) is interested in your college job, you have to give him a serious look, not wishcast about a guy who is not going to be interested. Certain names will always be mentioned by fans such as Jay Wright, Akina(for years in football, Urban Meyer in football etc. when you’ve had the success those 3 have had your name comes up. Quin is nothing special in college and nothing special in the pros. Quote
BobInHouston Posted February 28 Posted February 28 7 minutes ago, Hashtag said: Certain names will always be mentioned by fans such as Jay Wright, Akina(for years in football, Urban Meyer in football etc. when you’ve had the success those 3 have had your name comes up. Quin is nothing special in college and nothing special in the pros. How good do you have to be to be more than "nothing special in the pros"? Quote
Hashtag Posted February 28 Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, BobInHouston said: How good do you have to be to be more than "nothing special in the pros"? Brad F'n Stevens! Quote
BobInHouston Posted February 28 Posted February 28 10 minutes ago, Hashtag said: Brad F'n Stevens! Who has the higher winning percentage between them? Quote
Hashtag Posted February 28 Posted February 28 4 minutes ago, BobInHouston said: Who has the higher winning percentage between them? Stevens performed better in post season while being 2 games below .500 while Snyder is 10 games below 500. Similar enough regular seasons. Quote
BobInHouston Posted February 28 Posted February 28 So he's actually better than you thought, huh? Quote
Hashtag Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BobInHouston said: So he's actually better than you thought, huh? Not really. And he’s still been out of college for nearly 20 years so no thank you on the near 60 year old. Stevens like Donovan was a superior college coach to Snyder. Edited February 28 by Hashtag Quote
BobInHouston Posted February 28 Posted February 28 6 minutes ago, Hashtag said: Not really. And he’s still been out of college for nearly 20 years so no thank you on the near 60 year old. Stevens like Donovan was a superior college coach to Snyder. Whatever you do, don't let the facts get in your way. Quote
Hashtag Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Facts are that would be a terrible hire for Texas. Quote
bierce Posted February 28 Posted February 28 I'm not keen on adding a 60 year old who has been away from the college game but 20 years, but there are only 20 coaches in NBA history with more wins and a higher winning percentage than Snyder, factoring games as of last night. Hard to call that nothing special. Quote
Bevo92 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 In CDC, I trust he'll set the bar high and the Horns will have a top-tier HC for men's basketball in the next 2 months. Love how all other Longhorn sports are positioned with strong leadership and impressive results from Football, Baseball, Swim/Dive, Golf, Women's Basketball, Volleyball, the list goes on. It's awesome. Men's basketball has regressed the past 2 seasons and seems to be the one sport that we're not in top tier of all major sports. CDC talks about "the standard" set for all sports across the university. Look forward to seeing the path ahead. Hook Em! Quote
BobInHouston Posted February 28 Posted February 28 9 minutes ago, bierce said: I'm not keen on adding a 60 year old who has been away from the college game but 20 years, but there are only 20 coaches in NBA history with more wins and a higher winning percentage than Snyder, factoring games as of last night. Hard to call that nothing special. Actually, it seems like it was easy. Quote
BobInHouston Posted February 28 Posted February 28 28 minutes ago, Hashtag said: Not really. And he’s still been out of college for nearly 20 years so no thank you on the near 60 year old. Stevens like Donovan was a superior college coach to Snyder. A lot of the coaches they'll be looking at are going to be around 60. I am not going to automatically eliminate a guy with his NBA record. NBA games are won by finding advantages and pounding on them relentlessly. If a guy can produce at that level, he can X and O. Will he recruit? That is the question. He crumbled at Mizzou and there were rumors. I assume he's good now. 1 Quote
bierce Posted February 28 Posted February 28 And I still say the best hires over the last 7 years have proven to be Hurley, Oats, Lloyd, Otzelberger, Scheyer, Golden, and maybe May and McCasland will be soon added to the list. None of them had P5 coaching experience before taking their current jobs. You get the right young guy, give him support, step back, and watch it happen. 2 Quote
Hashtag Posted February 28 Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, bierce said: And I still say the best hires over the last 7 years have proven to be Hurley, Oats, Lloyd, Otzelberger, Scheyer, Golden, and maybe May and McCasland will be soon added to the list. None of them had P5 coaching experience before taking their current jobs. You get the right young guy, give him support, step back, and watch it happen. This is where I’m at. Young right guy so that way program is setup for years. Not a 60 year old who hasn’t coached or recruited in college since 2006. I posted earlier but apparent Otz buyout is only 4 million. find you a championship pedigree young collegiate coach and go that route. Quote
BobInHouston Posted February 28 Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, bierce said: And I still say the best hires over the last 7 years have proven to be Hurley, Oats, Lloyd, Otzelberger, Scheyer, Golden, and maybe May and McCasland will be soon added to the list. None of them had P5 coaching experience before taking their current jobs. You get the right young guy, give him support, step back, and watch it happen. That's the conundrum. Just asking, has CDC found anyone like that? Quote
bierce Posted February 28 Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, Hashtag said: This is where I’m at. Young right guy so that way program is setup for years. Not a 60 year old who hasn’t coached or recruited in college since 2006. I posted earlier but apparent Otz buyout is only 4 million. find you a championship pedigree young collegiate coach and go that route. Yet you keep rejecting the idea of hiring a young guy who doesn't have P5 head coaching on their resumes. 1 Quote
Hashtag Posted February 28 Posted February 28 9 minutes ago, bierce said: Yet you keep rejecting the idea of hiring a young guy who doesn't have P5 head coaching on their resumes. I don’t reject that idea. When I made that list it was criteria CDC has said he looks for in coaches. Frankly I think McCollum is a guy we should risk it for the biscuit on and give him everything he needs to be successful Quote
bierce Posted February 28 Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, Hashtag said: I don’t reject that idea. When I made that list it was criteria CDC has said he looks for in coaches. Frankly I think McCollum is a guy we should risk it for the biscuit on and give him everything he needs to be successful Gotcha. I think Murray would be even better, since he has spent years recruiting for UConn, so he's well-versed in recruiting at this level. 1 Quote
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