What OU fans won't tell you about Mateer...

[Born Burnt Orange]

I had mentioned in a different thread that there is a huge difference in Mateer's success against defenses ranked 74th or better as opposed to defenses ranked 75th or better.  I have attached that stats from his 2024 year at WSU.   Have fun sharing this knowledge with every OU fan you know.  

		Defensive Rankings
		Points	Yards	TD	Int	QBR
	Wyoming	90	103	1	1	23.5
	Oregon St	100	98	2	0	89.7
	New Mexico	130	131	4	0	71.6
	Utah State	128	130	4	0	87.8
	Texas Tech	122	128	1	1	73.1
	SDSU	97	115	2	0	53.5
	Hawaii	75	75	3	0	95
	San Jose St	84	82	4	2	70.9
Def ranking 75th or worse				21	4	70.6
	Washington	54	28	1	1	76.9
	Fresno	65	52	0	1	43.7
	Boise.	38	60	2	1	59.3
Def ranking 74th or better				3	3	60

Mateer.xlsx

Edited yesterday at 02:24 AM by Born Burnt Orange
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[Born Burnt Orange]

@Gerry Hamilton @Bobby Burton @CJ Vogel @Blake Munroe

 

Any thoughts on this?

[CHorn427]

20 minutes ago, Born Burnt Orange said:

I had mentioned in a different thread that there is a huge difference in Mateer's success against defenses ranked 74th or better as opposed to defenses ranked 75th or better.  I have attached that stats from his 2024 year at WSU.   Have fun sharing this knowledge with every OU fan you know.  

		Defensive Rankings
		Points	Yards	TD	Int	QBR
	Wyoming	90	103	1	1	23.5
	Oregon St	100	98	2	0	89.7
	New Mexico	130	131	4	0	71.6
	Utah State	128	130	4	0	87.8
	Texas Tech	122	128	1	1	73.1
	SDSU	97	115	2	0	53.5
	Hawaii	75	75	3	0	95
	San Jose St	84	82	4	2	70.9
Def ranking 75th or worse				21	4	70.6
	Washington	54	28	1	1	76.9
	Fresno	65	52	0	1	43.7
	Boise.	38	60	2	1	59.3
Def ranking 74th or better				3	3	60

Mateer.xlsx 10.63 kB · 11 downloads

And QE is trash for not playing amazingly vs UGA’s defense

[Jack Lala]

42 minutes ago, Born Burnt Orange said:

I had mentioned in a different thread that there is a huge difference in Mateer's success against defenses ranked 74th or better as opposed to defenses ranked 75th or better.  I have attached that stats from his 2024 year at WSU.   Have fun sharing this knowledge with every OU fan you know.  

		Defensive Rankings
		Points	Yards	TD	Int	QBR
	Wyoming	90	103	1	1	23.5
	Oregon St	100	98	2	0	89.7
	New Mexico	130	131	4	0	71.6
	Utah State	128	130	4	0	87.8
	Texas Tech	122	128	1	1	73.1
	SDSU	97	115	2	0	53.5
	Hawaii	75	75	3	0	95
	San Jose St	84	82	4	2	70.9
Def ranking 75th or worse				21	4	70.6
	Washington	54	28	1	1	76.9
	Fresno	65	52	0	1	43.7
	Boise.	38	60	2	1	59.3
Def ranking 74th or better				3	3	60

Mateer.xlsx 10.63 kB · 13 downloads

Not certain what you meant by the points column. But Mateer is overrated imo.

[harveycmd]

I talked to criminal sooner fans and others about this who claimed Mateer was a great pick up. The general criminal response was "Baker Mayfield." The non criminal response was he's gotta be better than Arnold.

[CJ Vogel]

Mateer is a very solid deep throwing quarterback. Something that should fit the scheme of OU’s offense. Now the question remains will Oklahoma have the horses in the stable to get open vertically down the field outside of Deion Burks. 

Mateer’s legs are going to be an issue as well. He’s a great athlete. Mateer is a gamer too. I saw him in high school at Little Elm, dude has a huge chip on his shoulder. Will play emotionally  

[harveycmd]

Watched a good bit of Mateer and can't say he's a solid passer. He's adequate against low level competition, especially outside of the pocket when guys get open because the defense breaks down. We'll see if Mateer has the athleticism do that against SEC competition. He hasn't displayed it, which is what the numbers above show. I don't care about his emotion. That works both ways. We'll see how emotional he is when Anthony Hill closes on him like a rocket and knocks the crap out of him. 

[ArizonaLonghorn]

3 hours ago, Jack Lala said:

Not certain what you meant by the points column. But Mateer is overrated imo.

I think it's the opponent's ranking in points allowed, from # 1 to # 135 or however many teams there are (and next col is yards allowed ranking).  So basically against the 3 teams he faced ranked in the top half on defense he struggled, and none of those teams were as good as several teams he'll face in the SEC.

Edited yesterday at 06:32 AM by ArizonaLonghorn

[MarkInAustin]

TO add to CJV's question about OU whether anyone aside from Burks can get open, will OU's OL give him a full three seconds to throw, against at least half the schedule?

They get Michigan on 9-6, so we should have an early take.

I am one who generally wants OU to take care of their other business so that Dallas is a big deal when Texas wins.  A rivalry game can lose its luster when one of the teams regularly is barely a .500 performer on its season.  But I understand the alternative view, because, paradoxically, I want Aggie to lose every single game they ever play in every sport and if that means we never have to play them again I am OK with that.

I came of age in an era when UT vs. OU  was the featured midseason intersectional game on national TV, seemingly always pitting two top 5 teams.  Also, my oldest daughter took a full five year ride including a year in Europe as a National Merit Scholar at OU, which was a godsend for me after the S&L and real estate bust of the late 80s. She never became an OU fan, however, and neither, of course, did I.

Outside Texas, the Aggies were just another game on TV.  If I had grown up in Texas before college I would have probably viewed Aggie with more respect mixed with the disdain.  But I just don't care about them and their "traditions".  I understand that it is a good academic university and one of my granddaughters might have to go to engineering school there if she is only in the top 6% of her class rather than top 5%.  But she says she will go to Purdue or Arizona if that happens.  So it has affected my family in that way even though the two generations after me are Texas born and raised.

[Born Burnt Orange]

8 hours ago, Jack Lala said:

Not certain what you meant by the points column. But Mateer is overrated imo.

Defensive ranking based on points allowed. 

[Born Burnt Orange]

8 hours ago, CHorn427 said:

And QE is trash for not playing amazingly vs UGA’s defense

I’m not sure the point you are trying to make. QE had a few bad games but he did have success against top ranked defenses as well.  Much of QE’s difficulty against Georgia can be placed on the OL.  

[Born Burnt Orange]

7 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

Mateer is a very solid deep throwing quarterback. Something that should fit the scheme of OU’s offense. Now the question remains will Oklahoma have the horses in the stable to get open vertically down the field outside of Deion Burks. 

Mateer’s legs are going to be an issue as well. He’s a great athlete. Mateer is a gamer too. I saw him in high school at Little Elm, dude has a huge chip on his shoulder. Will play emotionally  

Thanks for your input. As of now I would guess the horses are not there.  

[Hashtag]

35 minutes ago, Born Burnt Orange said:

I’m not sure the point you are trying to make. QE had a few bad games but he did have success against top ranked defenses as well.  Much of QE’s difficulty against Georgia can be placed on the OL.  

IDK how much because when you hold the ball and self sack that's on the QB. In fact most of the sacks from those games weren't attributed to OL.

[Burnt Orange Horn]

9 hours ago, Jack Lala said:

Not certain what you meant by the points column. But Mateer is overrated imo.

Rank of the Defense over the season, I bet.

[Burnt Orange Horn]

20 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

IDK how much because when you hold the ball and self sack that's on the QB. In fact most of the sacks from those games weren't attributed to OL.

Self sacks must mean there was only air defending, right??    🤦🏻‍♂️

[CHorn427]

1 hour ago, Born Burnt Orange said:

I’m not sure the point you are trying to make. QE had a few bad games but he did have success against top ranked defenses as well.  Much of QE’s difficulty against Georgia can be placed on the OL.  

It was sarcasm. Italics is generally recognized as the sarcasm font, sorry that didn’t come through 

[Born Burnt Orange]

1 hour ago, Hashtag said:

IDK how much because when you hold the ball and self sack that's on the QB. In fact most of the sacks from those games weren't attributed to OL.

You have a very anti-QE memory of those games.  There were a couple self sacks but there was a whole lot of we forgot how to block in those games as well.  QE didn’t have a lot of time and in the first games when he finally made something happen Wisner dropped a ball right in his hands. 

[Hashtag]

5 minutes ago, Born Burnt Orange said:

You have a very anti-QE memory of those games.  There were a couple self sacks but there was a whole lot of we forgot how to block in those games as well.  QE didn’t have a lot of time and in the first games when he finally made something happen Wisner dropped a ball right in his hands. 

If I recall correctly of the sacks rendered in the 1st game only two were attributed to the OL.

[Born Burnt Orange]

51 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

If I recall correctly of the sacks rendered in the 1st game only two were attributed to the OL.

I would have to watch that game again to be positive and that is one game I would prefer not to watch again.  All I know is I felt we got our ass kicked across the board and there is a lot more blame to go around then just QE.  

[Oldest Horn]

3 hours ago, Hashtag said:

If I recall correctly of the sacks rendered in the 1st game only two were attributed to the OL.

If I recall correctly those two first round edge guys of Georgia played up to their billing.

[HookemTexas]

The first match up with Georgia, they flat out curb stomped Texas on every level.  The second matchup was more even keel, but for the defense to hold Georgia to minimal points and Texas to walk into halftime with a 3 point lead if I remember correctly was detrimental.

QE was a huge part of that.  Quinn is Quinn, he's more of a game manager, knows the playbook, and read the defense type QB.  Anyone expecting him to escape the pocket and have Patrick Mahomes type plays will be disappointed.  Additionally, he's not a gun slinger like Brett Favre where he goes after 50/50 balls expecting his receiver to win most of the time. 

What I think most Texas fans (reasonable ones at least, and I put myself in this category) were at least expecting, was for Quinn to know how to manage the pocket and step up/roll out/ buy a little time a la Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.  No one expected those guys to take it to the house 50 yards, but the defense at least had to respect the QB escaping.  It seemed like - if you could collapse the pocket on Quinn, you had a sack, every fricking time.

Reminds me of when ou used to run the belldozer package with Blake Bell. I don't think he threw it once and for the life of me I could not understand why defenses didn't just play man on the 2 WRs and stack the box because they obviously weren't stopping him with the regular defensive alignments.

But this is all last season.  We're obviously not going to agree, so agree to disagree on Quinn and be excited about this next season.

[Hashtag]

2 minutes ago, HookemTexas said:

What I think most Texas fans (reasonable ones at least, and I put myself in this category) were at least expecting, was for Quinn to know how to manage the pocket and step up/roll out/ buy a little time a la Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.  No one expected those guys to take it to the house 50 yards, but the defense at least had to respect the QB escaping.  It seemed like - if you could collapse the pocket on Quinn, you had a sack, every fricking time.

He had a 90% sack rate once his eyes went down.

[harveycmd]

Just had a nice exchange with a criminal sooner sycophant claiming Nagy is an NFL GM genius. Asked him to name a successful NFL GM who spends big on an injured RB and and DT who rides the bench because he won't play or practice hard. Not surprisingly, no response.

[thatdude2]

23 hours ago, HookemTexas said:

The first match up with Georgia, they flat out curb stomped Texas on every level.  The second matchup was more even keel, but for the defense to hold Georgia to minimal points and Texas to walk into halftime with a 3 point lead if I remember correctly was detrimental.

QE was a huge part of that.  Quinn is Quinn, he's more of a game manager, knows the playbook, and read the defense type QB.  Anyone expecting him to escape the pocket and have Patrick Mahomes type plays will be disappointed.  Additionally, he's not a gun slinger like Brett Favre where he goes after 50/50 balls expecting his receiver to win most of the time. 

What I think most Texas fans (reasonable ones at least, and I put myself in this category) were at least expecting, was for Quinn to know how to manage the pocket and step up/roll out/ buy a little time a la Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.  No one expected those guys to take it to the house 50 yards, but the defense at least had to respect the QB escaping.  It seemed like - if you could collapse the pocket on Quinn, you had a sack, every fricking time.

Reminds me of when ou used to run the belldozer package with Blake Bell. I don't think he threw it once and for the life of me I could not understand why defenses didn't just play man on the 2 WRs and stack the box because they obviously weren't stopping him with the regular defensive alignments.

But this is all last season.  We're obviously not going to agree, so agree to disagree on Quinn and be excited about this next season.

We need this OTF Flag Football tourney bad. See what kind of QBs and playmakers we got in the chats.

[thatdude2]

4 hours ago, harveycmd said:

Just had a nice exchange with a criminal sooner sycophant claiming Nagy is an NFL GM genius. Asked him to name a successful NFL GM who spends big on an injured RB and and DT who rides the bench because he won't play or practice hard. Not surprisingly, no response.

Ironic statement from that person, because Nagy wants to be an NFL GM.