Pop stepping down as Head Coach of Spurs

[f1revo]

3 hours ago, Thanos72 said:

Fascinating that this is about sports but those of you that lament his political positions are the very ones introducing politics into this thread. No one cares about your politics or hurt feelings about another’s thoughts that you somehow personalize. Stop the hypocrisy. Keep it about one of greatest eras of a team we saw that’s ending. 

How dare he criticize and rebuke their God Emperor Trump though!

[Jordan91]

Love Pop and will miss him immensely. Great coach, respected by all who played for him or against him. I find it hypocritical that he shouldn’t be allowed to express his own thoughts on the world but we can. Who is allowed to speak on world events? Is there a list? Who’s on it? What qualifies somebody to speak on world events? He doesn’t lose his right to speak because he’s involved in sports. POP answered difficult questions about today’s world. They asked and he answered. Don’t ask him if you don’t want an answer. NBA is doing just fine, despite all attempts to weaken it because some people don’t like what certain players say. Interesting that those same people, and so called news channels, seem to love them when they say something they agree with. Pop calls it like he sees it. Do I agree with everything he’s said? No I don’t, but he has every right to say it. Thanks for the memories Pop. Best of luck to you as a gm. Really good at spotting talent. Go Spurs. 

[817 Boxing B]

13 hours ago, TXFF said:

TIm Duncan made Pop a great coach. After Tim retired, he wasn't special. Also, I don't appreciate any sports figure inserting their personal political opinions into the game. That's one reason I enjoy sports...to get away from the political commentary...regardless of tribe.

It's funny how you attempt to articulate your position. Politics impact all of us, even sports figures, and to deny anyone the ability to express themselves, is ridiculous.  Barbershop are for haircuts, amongst other services, but what conversations and opinions are discussed there? You provide your opinion to like minded people... that's why you have a problem. No one should be forced to just shut up and dribble. 

Just wondering... did you have a problem with the commencement speech of the KC kicker? Did you have an issue with Nick Bosa and his political statements at the facility? Seems like the outrage only comes when you don't agree with the view.

Ammerikkka... the beautiful. Job well done, Pop.... you definitely made your mark.

[817 Boxing B]

13 hours ago, Dallas Horns Fan said:

agreed, Pop's politics were not welcome and why do we think a basketball coach's opinion matters...

 

I watch sports to get away from politics, but clowns like Pop, Lebron, Kerr bring in politics....can they just talk about sports?  We have plenty of sources to get opinions on politics

 

But I guess your opinion about it matters more? So... we should value your opinions here, while this is the only contributions we can account for you providing Americans and our communities...(cuz you may be dodging paying taxes like your daddy), but those 3 guys you named, have a record of contributions to the very same communities and society as a whole, and we're supposed to ignore them, because the assumption is that they're not educated enough to speak on things?

What makes your opinions about them giving an opinion matter and renders they're opinions irrelevant?

Edited yesterday at 05:50 PM by 817 Boxing B

[qaertyisthatdude]

4 hours ago, Bobbers said:

There is so much hypocrisy in this thread already. 

We live in a polarized society.  Nobody wants to pay money for a product and then get lectured by the supplier of that product about politics.  Not only is it boring but it's bad business.  The NBA is suffering in a big way right now because of this very fact.

However, the idea that this coach was made by Tim Duncan is just silly.  Pops put together some of the greatest teams ever assembled by going around the globe to find complimentary pieces and directing their success.  He is up there with Saban imo as one of the best ever imo.

Sean Miller was certainly paying attention to how Pop built those Spurs teams during his heyday and seems to be using that same blueprint for Texas men's basketball.  We'll see if it works out.  But yes, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with his political stance or if he should even be discussing it so openly, Gregg Popovich the head coach is right up there with Red Auerbach, Pat Riley, Larry Brown, and Phil Jackson as one of the great head coaches in NBA history.  His team's consistency from the 1998-99 lockout shortened season to the 2016-17 season is something that is unlikely to happen ever again.

[817 Boxing B]

1 minute ago, qaertyisthatdude said:

Sean Miller was certainly paying attention to how Pop built those Spurs teams during his heyday and seems to be using that same blueprint for Texas men's basketball.  We'll see if it works out.  But yes, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with his political stance or if he should even be discussing it so openly, Gregg Popovich the head coach is right up there with Red Auerbach, Pat Riley, Larry Brown, and Phil Jackson as one of the great head coaches in NBA history.  His team's consistency from the 1998-99 lockout shortened season to the 2016-17 season is something that is unlikely to happen ever again.

🤘🏿🫡🔥👏🏿

[Bobbers]

1 hour ago, 817 Boxing B said:

It's funny how you attempt to articulate your position. Politics impact all of us, even sports figures, and to deny anyone the ability to express themselves, is ridiculous.  Barbershop are for haircuts, amongst other services, but what conversations and opinions are discussed there? You provide your opinion to like minded people... that's why you have a problem. No one should be forced to just shut up and dribble. 

Just wondering... did you have a problem with the commencement speech of the KC kicker? Did you have an issue with Nick Bosa and his political statements at the facility? Seems like the outrage only comes when you don't agree with the view.

Ammerikkka... the beautiful. Job well done, Pop.... you definitely made your mark.

Amerikkka?

Why do you feel the need to insult people like that?  Does this help?

This is Pop's whole problem.  You both project your own anger and hatred into situations that are actually just political differences.

America, for those who have actually considered history, is the most egalitarian place in the history of mankind.  The fact that you don't see this is just your own ignorance.

Read a book.

 

 

[TXFF]

Pop himself admits that his coaching success was because of Tim Duncan. Just compare his records with and without Tim and you'll see his point. Was he a good coach? Yes, but Timmy made him great for a good stretch. 

As far as his (unwise for business) propensity to interject partisan politics into sports, I'm with Phil:

https://sports.yahoo.com/ex-nba-coach-phil-jackson-says-he-stopped-watching-basketball-when-players-wore-slogans-on-jerseys-during-covid-19-bubble-171459079.html

[817 Boxing B]

8 hours ago, Bobbers said:

Amerikkka?

Why do you feel the need to insult people like that?  Does this help?

This is Pop's whole problem.  You both project your own anger and hatred into situations that are actually just political differences.

America, for those who have actually considered history, is the most egalitarian place in the history of mankind.  The fact that you don't see this is just your own ignorance.

Read a book.

 

 

The fact that you don't see that we are, as a nation, eroding the very concepts that were aligned with the fallac dream that we present to the world, is way more of an issue than how I chose to spell the name of this country. This is the same country that doesn't sing the 3rd verse of the Star Spangled banner, instead of changing it. The anger card always allows for you to plausibly deny the fact that everybody doesn't see things through those rose colored lenses. We just saw your "fearless leader" be interjected into college football by PawPaw Saban... who quit after he hasn't the only Plantation owner to able to stockpile his workforce, and he can't figure out how not to wear a pamper.

 

The opinions of the people you follow matter. For you to say who and what should matter to any free thinking human represents how Un-American you are... but shines a light on your Christian Amerikkkan values. Good day and 🤘🏿🫡

[Bobbers]

24 minutes ago, 817 Boxing B said:

The fact that you don't see that we are, as a nation, eroding the very concepts that were aligned with the fallac dream that we present to the world, is way more of an issue than how I chose to spell the name of this country. This is the same country that doesn't sing the 3rd verse of the Star Spangled banner, instead of changing it. The anger card always allows for you to plausibly deny the fact that everybody doesn't see things through those rose colored lenses. We just saw your "fearless leader" be interjected into college football by PawPaw Saban... who quit after he hasn't the only Plantation owner to able to stockpile his workforce, and he can't figure out how not to wear a pamper.

 

The opinions of the people you follow matter. For you to say who and what should matter to any free thinking human represents how Un-American you are... but shines a light on your Christian Amerikkkan values. Good day and 🤘🏿🫡

Wow, lol.  You have a good day too.  

[harveycmd]

11 hours ago, Jordan91 said:

Love Pop and will miss him immensely. Great coach, respected by all who played for him or against him. I find it hypocritical that he shouldn’t be allowed to express his own thoughts on the world but we can. Who is allowed to speak on world events? Is there a list? Who’s on it? What qualifies somebody to speak on world events? He doesn’t lose his right to speak because he’s involved in sports. POP answered difficult questions about today’s world. They asked and he answered. Don’t ask him if you don’t want an answer. NBA is doing just fine, despite all attempts to weaken it because some people don’t like what certain players say. Interesting that those same people, and so called news channels, seem to love them when they say something they agree with. Pop calls it like he sees it. Do I agree with everything he’s said? No I don’t, but he has every right to say it. Thanks for the memories Pop. Best of luck to you as a gm. Really good at spotting talent. Go Spurs. 

NBA viewership and overall market share within major professional sports has been declining for years. That has more to do with the product on the court than coaches and players talking. 

[Hashtag]

40 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

NBA viewership and overall market share within major professional sports has been declining for years. That has more to do with the product on the court than coaches and players talking. 

I agree with this. Watching players just jack up threes is boring basketball. 

[harveycmd]

39 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

I agree with this. Watching players just jack up threes is boring basketball. 

Two structural changes have really hurt NBA basketball: the three point shot and the elimination of the requirement to play man defense. It was the second change that made the first a real problem. As soon as you didn't have to play man, it drastically curtailed post play and the mid-range game. Since then, "efficiency" numbers say it's better to shoot threes and avoid big guys who can dominate one on one in the post but they're too slow to contest threes. The numbers the analytics idiots need to look at are attendance and viewership. What they call "efficiency" may be up, but fan interest is down. Turns out it's boring to watch a 2.5 hour three point fest about a hundred times a year.

Edited 17 hours ago by harveycmd

[817 Boxing B]

2 hours ago, harveycmd said:

NBA viewership and overall market share within major professional sports has been declining for years. That has more to do with the product on the court than coaches and players talking. 

Much of that is akin to the tenor and tone of our country. To say sports, and it's figures, and the political climate at any time in our country's history hasn't collided would be erroneous.. and it's no different here. Baseball has seen a much steeper decline.

[harveycmd]

7 minutes ago, 817 Boxing B said:

Much of that is akin to the tenor and tone of our country. To say sports, and it's figures, and the political climate at any time in our country's history hasn't collided would be erroneous.. and it's no different here. Baseball has seen a much steeper decline.

It's true baseball's decline has been steeper. Baseball's decline began in the late 70s and early 80s, which was the same time the popularity of the NBA dramatically increased during the Bird and Magic era. There was a conservative wave in politics at the same time. In any event, the problem for the NBA isn't MLB; it's their overall market share in professional sports over the last fifteen years. As indicated by the previous rise in NBA popularity, it doesn't likely correlate with politics. Differently stated, it's not a coincidence that structural changes in the NBA accompanied an increase in fan apathy. 

[harveycmd]

I will also say that it's extremely difficult to parcel the sports/politics connection in our current situation. I mentioned the conservative wave during the late 70s and 80s in the US that coincided with an increase the popularity of basketball. One could counter that may be true, but the "tenor" of politics now is not traditionally conservative. This is true. The problem is that there isn't an actual tradition of conservatism in the US. Our principles of individual and economic freedom come straight from the tradition of European Enlightenment liberalism, but those principles are now considered conservative since the nineteenth century socialist reaction to the economic and individual liberalism of the eighteenth century. That takes me back to my statement that it's hard to correlate this with sports. The more obvious connection with social movements and sports is actually with nineteenth century socialism and nationalism. That's actually when "team" sports began to ascend. That's also when and where you get popular appeals to what many think of as xenophobic policies, which we might now call identity based principles. This means the entire rise of team sports required what we would now call the rise of economic and social xenophobia, which is quite contrary to economic and individual political freedom. This is also why people can say its unamerican to deny a person who plays sports their "freedom," while at the same time others say such freedom is detrimental to the "sport."

[harveycmd]

Another twist of fate here is that the term "xenophobia" is etymologically contradictory. Xenophon, the famous figure from Classical Greece, whose name means "stranger," wasn't a person who feared or otherwise avoided strange things. That doesn't mean he embraced it for its own sake either. As a student of Socrates, Xenophon was a "stranger" in the world of human social and political needs. Like his teacher, he had none. He was free in the sense that Socrates taught him to live beyond the constraints of time, place, culture, etc. That's what made him a "stranger." This is actually one of the dreams of the Enlightenment. Prior to the Enlightenment, attaining such a hyperborean point was considered to be a principle that could not be applied along egalitarian lines because of innate differences in individual intellect. 

Edited 14 hours ago by harveycmd

[HookemTexas]

I’m not a fan of Pop, he also was of the group that ushered in the rest players on back to back days mentality.  I grew up in the Isaiah Thomas played with a messed up ankle era.  And I’m no Thomas fan.  Same with the all star game, it was competitive to see the best compete.  Now it’s a glorified practice.

Millions of dollars to play a game and they can’t show up for every game barring a major injury.  It’s 82 games.  Their fans, some of whom, bust their tales for crazy hours and work through injury and pain so they can take their kid(s) to watch their “heroes” who are too good to make the same effort.

Ok I’m done ranting.

[Sundancekid]

Pops is a great coach, an awesome man and an awesome representative of an open mind, free thinking and compassionate culture I wish we could be. Tim Duncan did not make Pop’s a great coach. It was the culture built by good coaching, great draft picks and heady international acquisitions. Both Dallas and Golden State have followed the blueprint of Pop’s strategic way of navigating an NBA team in a smaller market(Golden State isn’t such a small market I know).

[TXFF]

4 hours ago, Sundancekid said:

Pops is a great coach, an awesome man and an awesome representative of an open mind, free thinking and compassionate culture I wish we could be. Tim Duncan did not make Pop’s a great coach. It was the culture built by good coaching, great draft picks and heady international acquisitions. Both Dallas and Golden State have followed the blueprint of Pop’s strategic way of navigating an NBA team in a smaller market(Golden State isn’t such a small market I know).

Check out Pop's own words at the 4:10 mark. Tim Duncan was the amazing player and person responsible for the success of the Spurs. Pop was along for the ride as any number of good coaches would have been.

https://youtu.be/xaooJTd9K00?feature=shared

[Hashtag]

12 minutes ago, TXFF said:

Check out Pop's own words at the 4:10 mark. Tim Duncan was the amazing player and person responsible for the success of the Spurs. Pop was along for the ride as any number of good coaches would have been.

https://youtu.be/xaooJTd9K00?feature=shared

Do you take everything literal or not understand coach speak? They made each other great

[GoHorns1]

21 minutes ago, TXFF said:

Check out Pop's own words at the 4:10 mark. Tim Duncan was the amazing player and person responsible for the success of the Spurs. Pop was along for the ride as any number of good coaches would have been.

https://youtu.be/xaooJTd9K00?feature=shared

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