Mack Brown is a Giant Crybaby Pt 337

[Red Five]

1) Mack was a great head coach here for much of his tenure. Without him there is no Vince Young here, and no NC in 2005.

2) To say he is thin-skinned and petulant would be a massive understatement. At this point he should be kept away from the program as much as possible. 

You don't have to choose between two things. They can exist together. 

[Oldest Horn]

Do I see him yucking it up with BMDs and alums? Absolutely 

Do I see him involved in practice, recruiting or evaluating? Not a chance 

[Jarveaux]

At least everyone is off of Quinn Ewers. 

[robertcook91]

Mack could recruit any player he wanted. The last several classes he just recruited the wrong players.  But we won 41-38, and I still have my hat and the t-shirt and still wear them proudly.

Edited yesterday at 12:52 AM by robertcook91

[Hashtag]

4 minutes ago, robertcook91 said:

Mack could recruit any player he wanted. The last several classes he just recruited the wrong players.  But we won 41-38, and I still have my hat and the t-shirt and still wear them proudly.

He started doing that well before last few years....he started doing that starting with 06 class where he refused to go out and get the best players in the country that wanted to come to Texas post natty.

[Hashtag]

5 hours ago, CHorn427 said:

Mack was 6-9 vs Bob Stoops. That is not as lopsided as it feels to you. That’s 2 games not going your way away from 8-7. 
 

What’s your opinion on Kirby Smart (owned by Saban) or Ryan Day (owned by Michigan), then? Dabo Swinney was getting owned by Jimbo Fisher until he wasn’t. Jim Harbaugh was getting owned by tOSU until he wasn’t.  
 

Just because a coach is not Saban-level dominant (which is video game level dominant), does not mean he’s not a good coach. 
 

Mack finished the 2 seasons prior to VY stepping foot on campus with 11 wins and in the top 10 in the country. He may have been on the verge of being fired like you say (highly doubt it). If he was, that’s not an indictment of him. That’s an indictment of out of touch fans like you. 

How many Big 12 titles? 2? Losing record vs Stoops including getting absolutely embarrassed in the cotton bowl. 0-11 vs Bowden

[Tuco Ramirez]

Ugh. 95 more days of this.

[GoHorns1]

8 hours ago, Hashtag said:

Mack only won big games when he had Vince or Colt to a lesser extent. Mack was absolutely owned by the best coaches in the conferences he was part of. He's an above average HC that struck lightning with Vince. He was about to be fired had Vince not carried him to a title.

2 conference champions in 30 plus years as HC, isn’t impressive.

[Thorn007]

he took us to a natty yo. nuff said

[Texas71]

On 5/26/2025 at 4:48 PM, NothinButDaHorns34 said:

I am still pissed his ego made us miss out on hiring saban from bama. 

And don't forget about Saban giving Sark his second chance.  If Mack and Joe Jamail had not killed the Saban hire, Nick would likely have been hiring Sark to Texas instead of to Alabama.  Could have been one of the greatest dynasties in college football history.

[Philip Barber]

On 5/26/2025 at 5:06 PM, Bobby Burton said:

No one is perfect. Including any of us.

However, not all of us are small SOB’s, jealous, petty, scared someone else might look good.  Some of us understand human nature and push back against it.  Some of us have learned there is enough love to go around.  Some of us have learned to applaud and appreciate the other person.  Some of us have learned that others are just better than us at some things but it doesn’t keep us from working harder while cheering for the other guy.  I was fourteen when I accepted I would never bat clean up but I was a pretty good leadoff guy.  Many of us know when to keep our mouth shut and not attack other people.   Mack has revealed himself over the years, and we see him clearly.  
 

[Oldest Horn]

2 hours ago, Texas71 said:

And don't forget about Saban giving Sark his second chance.  If Mack and Joe Jamail had not killed the Saban hire, Nick would likely have been hiring Sark to Texas instead of to Alabama.  Could have been one of the greatest dynasties in college football history.

How did Mack kill the Saban hire? Or Jamail for that matter?

[qaertyisthatdude]

I can only imagine the amount of vitriol that will be thrown Sark's way if we're sitting here two years from now and they're still stuck in CFP Semifinals purgatory with Arch.

[Jerky]

 

As a head coach, Mack could read a room. He could work the press to his benefit and his team's benefit. Mack knows how to influence and communicate effectively in most situations. 

But as a head coach on the way out or already out, Mack foolishly behaved emotionally, selfishly and vindictively. Mack's exit added fuel to the fire. His legacy has been tarnished at Texas, largely due to his exiting behavior. Now Mack seems to be repeating the same mistake at NC. 

Rick Barnes was all class as Texas moved on.  Coach Barnes is never mentioned in the same negative light as Mack by Texas fans. Texas fans rightfully cheer for Rick when TN and Texas play MBB. Rick Barnes is much more likely to be honored at Texas AND be supported in mass by the fans than Mack Brown.

Texas football fans want Sark overseeing all football matters. Texas fans no longer want Mack speaking for Texas football or being involved. He is not a necessary BB to get back in the box.

Right or wrong, Mack takes some of the blame for not getting Luck as AD or Saban as HC.

Mack made his bed and now he has to lie in it.

 

[Oldest Horn]

51 minutes ago, Jerky said:

 

As a head coach, Mack could read a room. He could work the press to his benefit and his team's benefit. Mack knows how to influence and communicate effectively in most situations. 

But as a head coach on the way out or already out, Mack foolishly behaved emotionally, selfishly and vindictively. Mack's exit added fuel to the fire. His legacy has been tarnished at Texas, largely due to his exiting behavior. Now Mack seems to be repeating the same mistake at NC. 

Rick Barnes was all class as Texas moved on.  Coach Barnes is never mentioned in the same negative light as Mack by Texas fans. Texas fans rightfully cheer for Rick when TN and Texas play MBB. Rick Barnes is much more likely to be honored at Texas AND be supported in mass by the fans than Mack Brown.

Texas football fans want Sark overseeing all football matters. Texas fans no longer want Mack speaking for Texas football or being involved. He is not a necessary BB to get back in the box.

Right or wrong, Mack takes some of the blame for not getting Luck as AD or Saban as HC.

Mack made his bed and now he has to lie in it.

 

Luck can only blame himself. What did he think an AD does? As bad as Patterson was, I doubt Luck would have been much of an upgrade. 

With CDC, we’re in far better shape than Luck could have gotten halfway to. 

[Hashtag]

10 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

Luck can only blame himself. What did he think an AD does? As bad as Patterson was, I doubt Luck would have been much of an upgrade. 

With CDC, we’re in far better shape than Luck could have gotten halfway to. 

Patterson was the absolute worst AD hire in the country and the only reason he was chosen was because he agreed to force Mack out and Luck wanted that completed before taking over which is not a bad idea for Luck. The admin at the time should have handled Mack appropriately before searching for an AD. Luck would have been infinitely better and who knows who would have been the football coach instead of Charlie Strong had Luck been hired,

 

I am glad we have CDC now but acting like Luck would not have been a gigantic upgrade on Patterson is laughable and frankly pretty idiotic statement. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Hashtag

[Oldest Horn]

23 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Patterson was the absolute worst AD hire in the country and the only reason he was chosen was because he agreed to force Mack out and Luck wanted that completed before taking over which is not a bad idea for Luck. The admin at the time should have handled Mack appropriately before searching for an AD. Luck would have been infinitely better and who knows who would have been the football coach instead of Charlie Strong had Luck been hired,

 

I am glad we have CDC now but acting like Luck would not have been a gigantic upgrade on Patterson is laughable and frankly pretty idiotic statement. 

A guy who won’t take a job because he has to do the obvious is not a guy built for the long haul. He might have been an upgrade over Patterson but he couldn’t pack CDC’s lunch.
 

Remind me again of Luck’s incredible career accomplishments since 2013. 

[Hashtag]

17 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

A guy who won’t take a job because he has to do the obvious is not a guy built for the long haul. He might have been an upgrade over Patterson but he couldn’t pack CDC’s lunch.
 

Remind me again of Luck’s incredible career accomplishments since 2013. 

Quote

 

On October 14, 2013, Luck was one of 13 members unanimously chosen by the College Football Playoff Management Committee[23] to select the four teams to compete in the first College Football Playoff which was to be held in 2015.

On December 17, 2014, the NCAA announced that Luck would take a newly created post as executive vice president for regulatory affairs. Luck is in charge of all national office regulatory functions, including academics, membership, eligibility, and enforcement. The position had been created by current NCAA president Mark Emmert as part of a major restructuring of his senior staff.[24] Notably, the NCAA offices are in Indianapolis, where Andrew played at the time.[25][26]

On June 5, 2018, the XFL announced that Luck would be the league's Commissioner and CEO.[27] After a start that was possibly "the best launch of a new sports league in the last 30 years, if not ever," [28] the league suspended play on March 12, 2020, due to the outbreak of the coronavirus. On Thursday April 9, XFL owner Vince McMahon fired Oliver Luck two working days before the league filed for bankruptcy.[29][1][30] Luck sued XFL owner Vince McMahon for wrongful termination on April 21.[31] As XFL President Jeffrey Pollack noted: "Our shutdown and our bankruptcy filing had nothing to do with anything other than the pandemic. Our business was working, our proof of concept was successful, and we were on our way to a phenomenal first season."[28]

Luck was named on January 5, 2023 as the executive director (de facto commissioner) of the newly formed ASUN–WAC Football Conference. The football-only merger of the ASUN Conference and Western Athletic Conference is set to start play in the 2023 season in the second tier of NCAA Division I football, the Football Championship Subdivision.[32]

 

 

vs 

2013 Hired by Texas and being fired by Texas for being incredibly bad at his job in 2015

Nothing for 2 years

2017 Named CEO/President of Arizona Coyotes where he was fired in 2018 after just 1 year after being hired.

Nothing of note since

 

He wanted Mack Brown handled prior and that's not a big ask for a perspective AD. No reason admin couldn't have handled this prior to searching for an AD. So tell me again how Oliver Luck is the same as Patterson. Just pure stupidity from you at this point.

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[Oldest Horn]

4 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

 

vs 

2013 Hired by Texas and being fired by Texas for being incredibly bad at his job in 2015

Nothing for 2 years

2017 Named CEO/President of Arizona Coyotes where he was fired in 2018 after just 1 year after being hired.

Nothing of note since

 

He wanted Mack Brown handled prior and that's not a big ask for a perspective AD. No reason admin couldn't have handled this prior to searching for an AD. So tell me again how Oliver Luck is the same as Patterson. Just pure stupidity from you at this point.

What are the Arizona Coyotes?

Did I say “he was the same” as Paterson? If so please copy and paste. 

[Hashtag]

57 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

Luck can only blame himself. What did he think an AD does? As bad as Patterson was, I doubt Luck would have been much of an upgrade. 

With CDC, we’re in far better shape than Luck could have gotten halfway to. 

 

20 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

A guy who won’t take a job because he has to do the obvious is not a guy built for the long haul. He might have been an upgrade over Patterson but he couldn’t pack CDC’s lunch.
 

Remind me again of Luck’s incredible career accomplishments since 2013. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Oldest Horn said:

What are the Arizona Coyotes?

Did I say “he was the same” as Paterson? If so please copy and paste. 

You basically insinuate it with those two comments. Not being much of an upgrade or might have been an upgrade shows that you are putting him on equal footing with Patterson which is absolutely laughable. Now that you get proven wrong because he was fired twice you try and deflect. 

[Oldest Horn]

39 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

 

 

 

You basically insinuate it with those two comments. Not being much of an upgrade or might have been an upgrade shows that you are putting him on equal footing with Patterson which is absolutely laughable. Now that you get proven wrong because he was fired twice you try and deflect. 

He would have been better but not what we needed, wouldn’t have been an upgrade over Dodds (who I considered second tier) and a sorry excuse for an AD of Texas’ standing. 
 

Anyone who’d turn down an opportunity like Texas because he refused to clean up his predecessor’s mess doesn’t deserve it. 
 

Remind me again about that Arizona team he did wonders with. 

[Hashtag]

9 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

He would have been better but not what we needed, wouldn’t have been an upgrade over Dodds (who I considered second tier) and a sorry excuse for an AD of Texas’ standing. 
 

Anyone who’d turn down an opportunity like Texas because he refused to clean up his predecessor’s mess doesn’t deserve it. 
 

Remind me again about that Arizona team he did wonders with. 

Agree with you about Deloss he's extremely overrated by this fanbase as a whole and was actually a pretty meh AD.

 

Regarding your bolded part, that reasoning is exactly how you end up with a Steve Patterson aka the worst athletic director in program history who hired the worst football coach in program history. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Hashtag

[Oldest Horn]

8 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Agree with you about Deloss he's extremely overrated by this fanbase as a whole and was actually a pretty meh AD.

 

Regarding your bolded part, that reasoning is exactly how you end up with a Steve Patterson aka the worst athletic director in program history who hired the worst football coach in program history. 

When you have a 30 year incumbent AD who refuses to do his job, what do you do? Unload him and get a replacement to finish the job. 
 

You end up with a Patterson because “better” candidates like Luck don’t have the sack to do what’s necessary. If Luck really thought he would be insulated by having the President or some regent fire Mack first it only doubles his spinelessness and naïveté.

 

Do you believe Luck would have been tarnished in any way by firing Mack? Wouldn’t you want a guy who can come to grips with the more unpleasant aspects of a 7 figure job?

[Hashtag]

3 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

When you have a 30 year incumbent AD who refuses to do his job, what do you do? Unload him and get a replacement to finish the job. 
 

You end up with a Patterson because “better” candidates like Luck don’t have the sack to do what’s necessary. If Luck really thought he would be insulated by having the President or some regent fire Mack first it only doubles his spinelessness and naïveté.

 

Do you believe Luck would have been tarnished in any way by firing Mack? Wouldn’t you want a guy who can come to grips with the more unpleasant aspects of a 7 figure job?

Slasher type guys rarely work out in college athletics and that's what Patterson was and it didn't work out. Just look over in College Station and what Trev Alberts has done as a slasher type and who he has had to settle on for hires in the big 3 sports because of slashing staff, etc. I don't think it would have tarnished Luck but it also wasn't his responsibility, nor should it had been the next athletic directors responsibility. The next athletic director at that time should have come in with an empty slate and immediately started on the hiring process of the next head coach and finding ways to improve all sports. Perhaps we bring in Luck and we hire a much better football coach instead of the worst coach in program history. Then we don't have the worst decade in program history. That hiring of Patterson solely because he would can Mack set the football program back a decade essentially. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Hashtag

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, Hashtag said:

Slasher type guys rarely work out in college athletics and that's what Patterson was and it didn't work out. I don't think it would have tarnished Luck but it also wasn't his responsibility, nor should it had been the next athletic directors responsibility. The next athletic director at that time should have come in with an empty slate and immediately started on the hiring process of the next head coach and finding ways to improve all sports. Perhaps we bring in Luck and we hire a much better football coach instead of the worst coach in program history. Then we don't have the worst decade in program history. That hiring of Patterson solely because he would can Mack set the football program back a decade essentially. 

So Luck wouldn’t do what you or any reasonable observer wouldn’t have found objectionable. You think that’s a good thing?
 

We can only guess if Luck could find a capable coach. Perhaps he wouldn’t have had the temerity to poach a good one from a quality program because he avoids conflict and other unpleasantness.