OTF Premium How should Texas deal with Jeremiah Smith in rematch with Ohio State?

[CHorn427]

2 hours ago, LovingBuckeye said:

You probably don’t follow Ohio State as closely as I do. Either way, we will all find out together one way or another in 2 weeks. I’m not convinced that the Arch Manning we saw against Georgia isn’t going to be the Arch we see against Ohio State.

Lol you FOR SURE don’t watch much Texas football. Arch Manning played 5 snaps vs UGA with 1:24 to go in the first half. He was pressured to move the ball down the field against an elite defense and the first thing he did was run for 21 yds and take us across the 50 for the first time in the game.

Yeah, he took 2 sacks and fumbled a few plays later. It’s a different story actually starting the game with a script vs coming in down 17 pts with 1:24 left in the first half, wouldn’t you say?

I guarantee you Arch has been in scarier situations than he will be in in Columbus. Sayin hasn’t. 

[LovingBuckeye]

5 minutes ago, CHorn427 said:

Lol you FOR SURE don’t watch much Texas football. Arch Manning played 5 snaps vs UGA with 1:24 to go in the first half. He was pressured to move the ball down the field against an elite defense and the first thing he did was run for 21 yds and take us across the 50 for the first time in the game.

Yeah, he took 2 sacks and fumbled a few plays later. It’s a different story actually starting the game with a script vs coming in down 17 pts with 1:24 left in the first half, wouldn’t you say?

I guarantee you Arch has been in scarier situations than he will be in in Columbus. Sayin hasn’t. 

How could he have played 5 snaps when he was 3/6 passing for 19 yards?

Also, I have a hard time believing playing Georgia at home (a team Notre Dame and Georgia Tech pushed around all night) is going to be “scarier” than The Shoe with four new OL and no proven wide receivers.

You might want to lower your expectations just a little.

[LovingBuckeye]

4 hours ago, SpaceCityWrangler said:

Ohio State has been preparing for Colin Simmons all off season.  Likewise, Texas has been focused on the other game changer in Jeremiah Smith.

The best way to keep the ‘ball out of Smith’s hands… it’s not just pressure. It’s threatening pressure.  In other words, get a young QB’s eyes down as quick as possible.

AND, the best way to get eyes down quick is threaten pressure pre-snap in the A and B gaps.

There’s no way a young, inexperienced QB, inexperienced RB’s along with a new guard-center-guard combination can be ready for that.  I don’t care if you’re playing Western Michigan or St. Mary’s Church the Poor, until you’ve done it (ie handle pressure from ‘backers coming from the A and/or B gaps), it has to be a massive concern.  AND, they have to do it in game 1 against elite talent.

Hill, Lefau, Tyanthony, Moore and Spence (yes, I know he’s moved to edge) can dance in the A and B gaps pre-snap and either come or drop.  They’ll be comfortable moving up and back (ie threatening) pre-snap.

A Texas LB’er is going to be the player of the game for shizzle.

Ohio State doesn’t have an all new IOL. It’s probably the most experienced IOL in CFB.

[Philip Barber]

3 hours ago, Dread-headed Texan said:

Sayin from what little I've seen doesn't have the biggest arm. He thrives in the short to intermediate area, I don't see Day leaving him out to dry on many 5 to 7 step drops. I expect to see them move Sayin's launch point, a lot of screens, hitches, slants, and comebacks. Tackling has to be on point, limiting YAC is the key. In my opinion Smith is big and fast with gold status in head tapping dbs deep. He's not the most polished route runner. 

You have seen very little.

[Raistlin]

4 hours ago, SpaceCityWrangler said:

Ohio State has been preparing for Colin Simmons all off season.  Likewise, Texas has been focused on the other game changer in Jeremiah Smith.

The best way to keep the ‘ball out of Smith’s hands… it’s not just pressure. It’s threatening pressure.  In other words, get a young QB’s eyes down as quick as possible.

AND, the best way to get eyes down quick is threaten pressure pre-snap in the A and B gaps.

There’s no way a young, inexperienced QB, inexperienced RB’s along with a new guard-center-guard combination can be ready for that.  I don’t care if you’re playing Western Michigan or St. Mary’s Church the Poor, until you’ve done it (ie handle pressure from ‘backers coming from the A and/or B gaps), it has to be a massive concern.  AND, they have to do it in game 1 against elite talent.

Hill, Lefau, Tyanthony, Moore and Spence (yes, I know he’s moved to edge) can dance in the A and B gaps pre-snap and either come or drop.  They’ll be comfortable moving up and back (ie threatening) pre-snap.

A Texas LB’er is going to be the player of the game for shizzle.

You also have to take away his first read and limit explosives.  When teams did that to Quinn, he dropped his eyes and got a deer in the headlights look.  That what we want.

[Burnt Orange Horn]

5 hours ago, LovingBuckeye said:

Thank you all for having me. This has been the most cordial opposing team forum I’ve ever been on. 

Most welcome.  Opposing inarticulate fans who just post "We are winning by 56!" get short shifted here.  Resolving unknowns I a game is exciting. The loser will not suffer that much this early in the season.

[tfoster40]

14 hours ago, Jeff Howe said:

Texas went with some three-safety looks. The difference for me, though, is how often Emeka Egbuka came up big when Ohio State needed a big catch in that game.

Can Tate and/or Inniss be that kind of target for Sayin? I don't know if that'll be the case right out of the gate.

I think Tate can, unsure if Inniss can

[Paul L]

1. Get pressure on the QB so he doesn’t have time to process what is going on.  
2. The first time the ball is thrown to Smith you hit him so hard that his soul leaves the field.  

[Sundancekid]

I thought Ohio State lost four starters on the oline. Did they bring in experienced transfers?

[SpaceCityWrangler]

11 hours ago, Raistlin said:

You also have to take away his first read and limit explosives.  When teams did that to Quinn, he dropped his eyes and got a deer in the headlights look.  That what we want.

Pretty sure Smith will be his first read.  That dude… he’ll kill you in man. Zone… just get it near him, and he’ll snatch.  He’s like a slightly bigger Andre Johnson.  Really difficult to get in his catch radius given how he uses his body.  Gotta get in Sayin’s kitchen quick or at least let him feel ya at pre-snap (ie make him think you’re coming).

[HookemHorns]

14 hours ago, LovingBuckeye said:

How could he have played 5 snaps when he was 3/6 passing for 19 yards?

Also, I have a hard time believing playing Georgia at home (a team Notre Dame and Georgia Tech pushed around all night) is going to be “scarier” than The Shoe with four new OL and no proven wide receivers.

You might want to lower your expectations just a little.

I do think it’ll take time for Arch to become who we all think and hope he will become. 
 

Ditto Sayin.

I’m guessing this is a little lower scoring game. Something like 21-13. Both defenses should have success. Both offenses should be a little sluggish. I’ll admit it worried me that the biggest known for either offense is the elite WRs of Ohio St. Texas doesn’t have a proven strength on offense unless you count Wisner who is good but not elite IMO. 
 

I am expecting Arch to play better than Sayin since he has more college experience. 
 

I am also expecting our defensive line to take another leap this year. 

[LovingBuckeye]

30 minutes ago, HookemHorns said:

I do think it’ll take time for Arch to become who we all think and hope he will become. 
 

Ditto Sayin.

I’m guessing this is a little lower scoring game. Something like 21-13. Both defenses should have success. Both offenses should be a little sluggish. I’ll admit it worried me that the biggest known for either offense is the elite WRs of Ohio St. Texas doesn’t have a proven strength on offense unless you count Wisner who is good but not elite IMO. 
 

I am expecting Arch to play better than Sayin since he has more college experience. 
 

I am also expecting our defensive line to take another leap this year. 

All very fair points and I think a lot of CFB analysts and national media agree with you.

This is only my opinion, not necessarily shared by other Buckeyes, but I feel like Ohio State’s defense has a much larger advantage against Texas’ offense than Texas’ defense does against Ohio State’s offense.

This is a bit ironic considering my last point, but I would say my biggest fear in this game is what if Sark coaches circles around Matt Patricia? 

Edited 9 minutes ago by LovingBuckeye

[LovingBuckeye]

17 hours ago, Jarveaux said:

Hopefully Jeremiah meets his match this year!

In fairness to you all, he met his match in the Cotton Bowl :(, fortunately Ohio State was still able to eek out a W