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[LovingBuckeye]

3 minutes ago, Here for the Wins said:

Downs has 4 career interceptions and 6 PBUs.  His strength is in his all around game.  But those numbers are limited and I believe the puck versus us was garbage time.

More than anything, Downs' strength is his football IQ and how quickly he reacts. He is also one of the surest tacklers I have every seen come through Columbus. He just doesn't miss tackles. 

Edited 4 hours ago by LovingBuckeye

[LovingBuckeye]

1 minute ago, Dread-headed Texan said:

No doubt thats because he's going to test well and Taafe will not. 

Yes, his athleticism is a huge difference between him and Taafe. 

[Dread-headed Texan]

1 minute ago, Here for the Wins said:

Downs has 4 career interceptions and 6 PBUs.  His strength is in his all around game.  But those numbers are limited and I believe the puck versus us was garbage time.

Taafe in the last two years have 5 picks and 11 passes defended. That's during the same time frame. Like I said as a high safety give me Taafe as a chess peice or box safety I'll take Downs. That's not disrespecting Downs, check the coverage grade and I bet Taafe grades higher.

[Dread-headed Texan]

1 minute ago, LovingBuckeye said:

Yes, his athleticism is a huge difference between him and Taafe. 

We doubted Taafe and have been trying to replace him his whole career, but if you throw at him it's a mistake. When you talk about IQ and always in position to make a play Taafe is one of the best safeties in the game.

[Here for the Wins]

11 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

No, Ohio State's offensive line dominated their defensive lines. 

Ohio State could have scored 70 against Tennessee if they wanted, ran right through Oregon and Notre Dame, due to the clean pockets the OL created, and the running lanes they created for Judkins and Henderson. 

If you’re like most fans, you don’t focus on the Oline but merely choose to do so on select plays.  Domination likely occurs when you’re not looking.  Your Tackle was your best guy then the other Tackle was generally more consistent than some of the others.  You do realize it is rare to have such highly drafted RBs in the same backfield, right?  Maybe helps the Oline.

Notre Dame was down maybe their two best DTs.  The others weren’t overly talented.  Indiana?  Come on.  There’s a reason Texas was a more difficult game.  
 

And again Goosby sat in there with 100,000 Aggies on a line with multiple high draft picks and a former Big 10 badass pass rusher and did fine.  But you won’t count that.

[LovingBuckeye]

1 minute ago, Dread-headed Texan said:

We doubted Taafe and have been trying to replace him his whole career, but if you throw at him it's a mistake. When you talk about IQ and always in position to make a play Taafe is one of the best safeties in the game.

Caleb Downs is the same way. High IQ, a coach in the field, but he's also athletic enough to be a top 10 NFL draft pick. Taafe is good, but 99.9% of non Texas CFB fans are taking Caleb Downs for a reason. 100% of NFL GM's are taking Caleb Downs for a reason. 

[Clint Baros]

4 hours ago, Ironmanz35 said:

This is a vision zone coverage concept. It was Cover 6 (Saban's weak rotated cover 3), with Gbenda being a curl-flat player. In particular, this is what is known in the Saban system as flood. They have Sorrell playing the flat, Gbenda in the curl, Ant Hill in the strong hook, and Makuba playing the weak hook and being a 3 up is 3 player. This is not triple coverage. Maalik Muhammad has a "MOD" call on Jeremiah Smith. As you can see above, MM is playing man coverage on Smith, but everyone else is playing with vision on the QB. 

[LovingBuckeye]

1 minute ago, Here for the Wins said:

If you’re like most fans, you don’t focus on the Oline but merely choose to do so on select plays.  Domination likely occurs when you’re not looking.  Your Tackle was your best guy then the other Tackle was generally more consistent than some of the others.  You do realize it is rare to have such highly drafted RBs in the same backfield, right?  Maybe helps the Oline.

Notre Dame was down maybe their two best DTs.  The others weren’t overly talented.  Indiana?  Come on.  There’s a reason Texas was a more difficult game.  
 

And again Goosby sat in there with 100,000 Aggies on a line with multiple high draft picks and a former Big 10 badass pass rusher and did fine.  But you won’t count that.

Running backs without a good OL are nothing. Everything starts up front. Like I said, Will Howard had plenty of time in the pocket, and the backs had clear gaps to run through. Those were the entire games against Indiana, Tennessee, Oregon, and Notre Dame. Will Howard had plenty of time to throw against Texas as well. 

[Dread-headed Texan]

7 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

Caleb Downs is the same way. High IQ, a coach in the field, but he's also athletic enough to be a top 10 NFL draft pick. Taafe is good, but 99.9% of non Texas CFB fans are taking Caleb Downs for a reason. 100% of NFL GM's are taking Caleb Downs for a reason. 

I'm not saying that they're wrong, and nobody is talking about Taafe because of his lack of athleticism. Downs is good at playing free and around the ball, but Taafe is an eraser. I don't know how many times a reciever beat a corner and the only person back there to erase that mistake was Taafe. If Downs was that kind of eraser, why didn't they put Downs over Evan Stewart in the first game against Oregon is all I'm saying. It was obvious Ohio State couldn't cover him.

Edited 4 hours ago by Dread-headed Texan

[LovingBuckeye]

7 minutes ago, Dread-headed Texan said:

I'm not saying that they're wrong, and nobody is talking about Taafe because of his lack of athleticism. Downs is good at playing free and around the ball, but Taafe is an eraser. I don't know how many times a reciever beat a corner and the only person back there to erase that mistake was Taafe. If Downs was that kind of eraser, why didn't they put Downs over Evan Stewart in the first game against Oregon is all I'm saying. It was obvious Ohio State couldn't cover him.

Downs is a safety, so I would never expect him to do anything other than helping over the top, or covering RB's and TE's. Denzel Burke was burned by Steward, but luckily Burke has graduated and Jermaine Matthews Jr & Davison Igbinosun are the top two cornerbacks. 

Edited 4 hours ago by LovingBuckeye

[Ironmanz35]

6 minutes ago, Dread-headed Texan said:

I'm not saying that they're wrong, and nobody is talking about Taafe because of his lack of athleticism. Downs is good at playing free and around the ball, but Taafe is an eraser. I don't know how many times a reciever beat a corner and the only person back there to erase that mistake was Taafe. If Downs was that kind of eraser, why didn't they put Downs over Evan Stewart in the first game against Oregon is all I'm saying. It was obvious Ohio State couldn't cover him.

1. Knowles liked us playing press man and Downs roamed high at FS and helped on ball..

2. The score was 34-8 at half did not need to put a safety over Stewart. or anyone.

[Here for the Wins]

5 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

Running backs without a good OL are nothing. Everything starts up front. Like I said, Will Howard had plenty of time in the pocket, and the backs had clear gaps to run through. Those were the entire games against Indiana, Tennessee, Oregon, and Notre Dame. Will Howard had plenty of time to throw against Texas as well. 

Agreed on the first sentence.  But dominating is another level of discussion.  It looks like you broke off some long runs in those but otherwise pedestrian.  The question would arise as to whether a broken tackle happened to create those.  Pff is looking at every player on every play.  Who won, who lost individual battles.  In theory your Oline can do poorly yet you score.

But congrats on your Oline for that Sawyer strip sack.  I guess they did ok on that Henderson screen.

[Dread-headed Texan]

1 minute ago, LovingBuckeye said:

Downs is a safety, so I would never expect him to do anything other than helping over the top, or covering RB's and TE's. Denzel Burke was burned by Steward, but luckily Burke has graduated and Jermaine Matthews Jr & Davison Igbinosun are the top to cornerbacks. 

I'm telling you if that's what you expect from a safety Taafe does more with less. He covers everything in our scheme from backs, TEs, slots, blitzing, and covers the run. Taafe plays both high and low and does it as well as any safety in the nation. I'm not saying Taafe is a better football player by any stretch, but I am saying he's a better eraser. 

[LovingBuckeye]

2 minutes ago, Here for the Wins said:

Agreed on the first sentence.  But dominating is another level of discussion.  It looks like you broke off some long runs in those but otherwise pedestrian.  The question would arise as to whether a broken tackle happened to create those.  Pff is looking at every player on every play.  Who won, who lost individual battles.  In theory your Oline can do poorly yet you score.

But congrats on your Oline for that Sawyer strip sack.  I guess they did ok on that Henderson screen.

The strip sack was just Sawyer absolutely obliterating  your RT. The Henderson screen was horrible defensive play call by whoever is calling your plays. 

[Here for the Wins]

5 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

Downs is a safety, so I would never expect him to do anything other than helping over the top, or covering RB's and TE's. Denzel Burke was burned by Steward, but luckily Burke has graduated and Jermaine Matthews Jr & Davison Igbinosun are the top two cornerbacks. 

Welcome to Big 10 where 4 wides is not a thing.

[Ironmanz35]

4 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

Downs is a safety, so I would never expect him to do anything other than helping over the top, or covering RB's and TE's. Denzel Burke was burned by Steward, but luckily Burke has graduated and Jermaine Matthews Jr & Davison Igbinosun are the top two cornerbacks. 

Have never been high on Burke. I Like Matthews and would really like to see what Scott can do.  Anyway I am ok with a 5 Star backing up a 5 star, it  does give me confidence in our corners.

[LovingBuckeye]

1 minute ago, Dread-headed Texan said:

I'm telling you if that's what you expect from a safety Taafe does more with less. He covers everything in our scheme from backs, TEs, slots, blitzing, and covers the run. Taafe plays both high and low and does it as well as any safety in the nation. I'm not saying Taafe is a better football player by any stretch, but I am saying he's a better eraser. 

He might be a better eraser, but Sark and your DC would pick Downs over him to play the same position. 

[LovingBuckeye]

Just now, Here for the Wins said:

Welcome to Big 10 where 4 wides is not a thing.

The Big 10 is much more like the NFL in the offenses they see 

[LovingBuckeye]

2 minutes ago, Ironmanz35 said:

Have never been high on Burke. I Like Matthews and would really like to see what Scott can do.  Anyway I am ok with a 5 Star backing up a 5 star, it  does give me confidence in our corners.

Yeah, Burke was just limited in what he could do. He was never a legit NFL prospect. Moving forward it will be all of Tim Walton's recruits, so it'll mirror the WR room in 5* after 5*

[Bunk Moreland]

14 hours ago, LovingBuckeye said:

No, it’s because Ohio State has been doing this for a very long time. I’m not taking a back off of a serious knee injury and a dude that averaged what, 4.5 YPC over kids that have bought into the Ohio State culture and S&C program.

It’s fascinating to me that you think OSU is somehow unique in its development of elite RBs. Sark has had Bijan, Roschon, Jonathan Brooks, Jaydon Blue in his system at Texas. Before that he’s had Najee Harris, Brian Robinson, Bishop Sankey, and Chris Polk. He’s had a 1000 yard back every single season as a HC. Before that he had Reggie Bush and Lendale White in his system. To just assume that OSU is somehow going to roll out unproven running backs who are going to outperform what Sark is bringing to the table is utterly fanciful.

[Dread-headed Texan]

6 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

He might be a better eraser, but Sark and your DC would pick Downs over him to play the same position. 

Let me ask if you were a Texas fan and had to cover Ohio State’s recievers with a light box which safety would you want? Of course Sark would choose a 5 star over a preferred walk on. If he didn't that'd be a fireable offense no? But he wouldn't be playing safety, he'd be playing Star.

Edited 3 hours ago by Dread-headed Texan

[Here for the Wins]

2 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

The strip sack was just Sawyer absolutely obliterating  your RT. The Henderson screen was horrible defensive play call by whoever is calling your plays. 

Yes, the injured guy at RT.

Horrible play call?  What did we call?

Point being, the two most impactful plays of the game leading to your victory were score with limited oline impact.

[Here for the Wins]

5 minutes ago, LovingBuckeye said:

He might be a better eraser, but Sark and your DC would pick Downs over him to play the same position. 

They’d probably get them both on the field.

[LovingBuckeye]

13 minutes ago, Bunk Moreland said:

It’s fascinating to me that you think OSU is somehow unique in its development of elite RBs. Sark has had Bijan, Roschon, Jonathan Brooks, Jaydon Blue in his system at Texas. Before that he’s had Najee Harris, Brian Robinson, Bishop Sankey, and Chris Polk. He’s had a 1000 yard back every single season as a HC. Before that he had Reggie Bush and Lendale White in his system. To just assume that OSU is somehow going to roll out unproven running backs who are going to outperform what Sark is bringing to the table is utterly fanciful.

Sark is a great coach too.

[LovingBuckeye]

14 minutes ago, Here for the Wins said:

Yes, the injured guy at RT.

Horrible play call?  What did we call?

Point being, the two most impactful plays of the game leading to your victory were score with limited oline impact.

- I don't care if he was injured, Ohio State was playing with their second string OL
- What play call? The play call that allowed Ohio State to throw a 75 yard screen pass with no defense in the way.