OTF Premium Thoughts on Arch Manning

[Hubb]

This is the same story for sark. 1-6 vs top 5 teams just isn’t going to cut it idc what angle you try to spin on it. It’s truly amazing that the defense has carried us for at least 2 years while sarks play calling has been absolutely mid the game plans have been mid. The QB play under sark has been mid. Don’t get me wrong I think sark is the guy for the job it’s just so obvious that he needs a play caller so he can be a head coach and not a coordinator. Very few coaches get away with that in this day game of football. Does anyone remember last year when Day had to give play calling up? What ended up happening? That game plan today was embarrassing considering you had 8 months to draw up inside traps under center and a couple drag routes that the QB couldn’t hit. And for the love of god sark needs help in the red zone Jesus Christ my nephew could draw up better plays down there. If this offense doesn’t make considerable strides this will be a disappointing season when it’s all said and done. Day clearly had his younger QB ready to play and sark didn’t 

[HornsUpThumbsDown]

16 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Thoughts on Arch Manning 

I have a number of thoughts on Arch Manning today ….

1. Any QB simply can’t miss the easy throws. Arch missed nearly every easy throw today. You can’t play QB at a high level, or be a high level team missing easy throws. End of discussion. 

2. Some of the easy throws were also in critical down and distance. Those are double bad for a QB. Simply can’t do it against quality competition, period.

3. Ohio State is uber talented team and quality team. Statistically, this will be Arch’s worst game of the season. 

4. Arch’s legs will be a major asset as the season moves along. Again, this will be as talented of a D as Texas faces. And this was on the road with months to prepare. 

5. Arch has to get more comfortable in the pocket. Again, high end competition, but he had too many throws without balance in the pocket today to be an accurate QB. 

6. What I’m expecting the next three games. Texas will overwhelm lesser opponents with talent. There will be big games statistically, big play TD’s and talk about how much the Texas offense will have improved. I will be in wait and see mode. The next test isn’t lambs getting paid to come to Austin and get taken to the woodshed… it’s at Florida. 

7. Arch will play better. That’s easy to see and predict. But the question comes down to how much better as the season moves along. Texas has a playoff defense - zero doubt in my mind. But Sark and Arch have a lot to prove if they will end up with a playoff level offense. 
 

Other topics:

1. Texas run game has a chance this year. If that’s the start, can’t wait to see the finish. 

2. Texas’ defense will give the team the opportunity to be in every game this season. 

3. The season isn’t over. But the margin for error is down to one game. That amps up the pressure the rest of the season. And the pressure is on Sark after that stinker of a game plan today. 

Well said @Gerry Hamilton

[Assistant Regional Manager]

42 minutes ago, Aspann85 said:

That’s just clueless speech…

You have shown zero offensive pulse all game. You are going to need to score a TD at some point. You are at the one foot line. All a FG does is require you drive down again and score a TD, which looked like a daunting task up to that point.

You do not kick a FG from the 1 foot line in that situation. Ever. It is just flat wrong to adjust otherwise. It lowers your win probability in every way, making a one possession game, a one possession game.

[mcwast]

i’ve been splitting hairs on play calls and arch throwing weird fastballs since the final whistle, but despite all of that, the game came down to the fact that their one sustained drive ended in the paint and ours didn’t.  

we made a bunch of mistakes and left a ton on the field, and lost by a score on the road against #3.  pisses me off, but it could have been worse.

[HookemChappy]

13 hours ago, HDub1995 said:

Watching more tape, arch’s mechanics looked very off all day. Even on easy throws it looked like he was having to use everything he had on every throw. 
 

Just conjecture, but it looked way off all day to me. 

Not really conjecture. He was way off. If it would not have crushed his spirit, I was calling for Caldwell to come in. 

[HookemChappy]

10 hours ago, Aspann85 said:

Endries could’ve easily had a 10+ catch for 100+ yds and 2 TDs as open as he was the whole game. It was crazy. If Arch ever figures out that guy is on our team, he’s gonna have a monster year!

This. Arch refused to hit his check down. Couldn’t hit Moore! Didn’t know he had a great TE. Long ball Arch is going to kill us when defenses sit back. They now have tape that says the can sit back 15yds. Cause Arch is going to go long ball hunting. The good thing is that he can learn from this.

[HookemChappy]

6 hours ago, GQ03 said:

This.

 

I had to shake my head when I saw Bobby and some others talk about the WRs not getting an open when they were running open all day and Arch was missing them. First play of the game, not only was Deandre Moore wide open but Jack Endries was wide open right behind Moore. Arch had two open options and threw it in the dirt. On 4th & 3 from the 9 where Arch tries to hit Livingstone on the slot fade, Wingo is open for a 1st down and potentially td on a slant but Arch was locked on Livingstone. And then there's Arch missing a wide open Wingo on the big 3rd & 5 on the last possession. 

Hard to blame Sark for being a bad play caller when he had to play one dimensional offense and Patricia was over there salivating because he knew Arch couldn’t hit a building from 10ths out. Heck Arch even skipped a screen. 

[diegozanna20]

6 minutes ago, HookemChappy said:

Not really conjecture. He was way off. If it would not have crushed his spirit, I was calling for Caldwell to come in. 

There we go with the overreactions, the fact you're even thinking this lets me know you're being too emotional about this loss.
Yeah let's completely deminsh the confidence of a young QB making his first road game start for an unproven senior that played at temple, surely he'll handle better the 110 thousand fans screaming and the nation calling for him to be inducted in the HOF before playing a meaningful snap.
What a frustrating fan base we are.
How the hell is he supposed to learn to play in an enviroment like this if we pull him? How is supposed to know what failure and disappointement feels like when you've let your team down if you pull him? Don't wanna make generalizations but Peyton wouldn't have become the player he was if they benched him in his first season with the colts.
THE KID HAS GOT TO LEARN, LET HIM LEARN.
Like @Gerry Hamilton said, he'll get better, we just have to wait and see how much and how long that'll take.
The talent is there, he's gotta turn the easy stuff into automatics and get as much reps as possible to make the game slow down.
 

One last thing: if there's something constant within Arch's game is improvement.
Whether it's throughout a game or after a game he's always made improvements. Have faith.

 

[HookemChappy]

31 minutes ago, diegozanna20 said:

There we go with the overreactions, the fact you're even thinking this lets me know you're being too emotional about this loss.
Yeah let's completely deminsh the confidence of a young QB making his first road game start for an unproven senior that played at temple, surely he'll handle better the 110 thousand fans screaming and the nation calling for him to be inducted in the HOF before playing a meaningful snap.
What a frustrating fan base we are.
How the hell is he supposed to learn to play in an enviroment like this if we pull him? How is supposed to know what failure and disappointement feels like when you've let your team down if you pull him? Don't wanna make generalizations but Peyton wouldn't have become the player he was if they benched him in his first season with the colts.
THE KID HAS GOT TO LEARN, LET HIM LEARN.
Like @Gerry Hamilton said, he'll get better, we just have to wait and see how much and how long that'll take.
The talent is there, he's gotta turn the easy stuff into automatics and get as much reps as possible to make the game slow down.
 

One last thing: if there's something constant within Arch's game is improvement.
Whether it's throughout a game or after a game he's always made improvements. Have faith.

 

I said if it would not have. I actually agree that it was better for the long run for him to take the L and learn from it. He will learn from this. He now knows what it is like for a big away game. He will learn to hit his check downs. In the long run of this  season Arch will learn and Sark now knows more about what he has with the OL and run game. Quinn struggled with the deep throw but was good with quick throws and touch throws. Arch can work on this the next 3 games. If I were Sark I would specifically work on things in these upcoming games to help Arch improve in these areas.

[Hank Kingsley]

@Gerry Hamilton Do we have any idea what the game day set up is with Sark/Milwee/assistants? Milwee is in the booth, correct? Do we know who is communicating with Arch/QBs on the sidelines? 

Edited 3 hours ago by Hank Kingsley

[Cujonation83]

1 hour ago, HookemChappy said:

This. Arch refused to hit his check down. Couldn’t hit Moore! Didn’t know he had a great TE. Long ball Arch is going to kill us when defenses sit back. They now have tape that says the can sit back 15yds. Cause Arch is going to go long ball hunting. The good thing is that he can learn from this.

The question is can teams make us pay 🤔 . Arch will get better as will the offense. 

[diegozanna20]

The Film Guy talked a bit about Texas at Ohio St., here's some of his takeaways(He gonna upload an in-depth film study later) :
- Ohio State's defense is the most complex defense he studided since he started his channel
- Says Caleb Downs is the best and most instinctual player in college football
- Ohio State was perfectly prepared for everything that Sark dialed up, says that it's the same thing that OSU was doing last year along with Georgia and Vanderbilt
- He thinks the worst thing coming out of this game, although he says he's not sounding any alarms yet, is Sark's gameplan and that he needs some new stuff
- He says that the moment was too big for Arch and that caleb downs pre-snap vs post-snap had a lot to do with it, along with the enviroment and the general talent on OSU's defense
- Says that Arch was one of the most sound quarterbacks mechanically and foot work wise he'd seen last year and that yesteray everything went out the window
- The good takeways for Texas were CJ Baxter and the defense, says they're still really good

[rgvhorn80]

It was shocking how bad he played. Now we know why Quinn started. I thought Sark was just being loyal

[pinkman_90]

10 minutes ago, diegozanna20 said:

The Film Guy talked a bit about Texas at Ohio St., here's some of his takeaways(He gonna upload an in-depth film study later) :
- Ohio State's defense is the most complex defense he studided since he started his channel
- Says Caleb Downs is the best and most instinctual player in college football
- Ohio State was perfectly prepared for everything that Sark dialed up, says that it's the same thing that OSU was doing last year along with Georgia and Vanderbilt
- He thinks the worst thing coming out of this game, although he says he's not sounding any alarms yet, is Sark's gameplan and that he needs some new stuff
- He says that the moment was too big for Arch and that caleb downs pre-snap vs post-snap had a lot to do with it, along with the enviroment and the general talent on OSU's defense
- Says that Arch was one of the most sound quarterbacks mechanically and foot work wise he'd seen last year and that yesteray everything went out the window
- The good takeways for Texas were CJ Baxter and the defense, says they're still really good

Ohio st back 7 on defense is very talented.  I think they’re going to have some issues up front.  Was not impressed with their DL and Edge.  Michigan might be able to run it down their throat again.  

[taxsaver]

It sucks that we lost, but the players are NOT quitters, so they will be fine.  If anything, losing a close game on the road first game of the season shows you a lot about what your strengths and weaknesses are.

Strengths:  OL better than practice reports...FAR better.  Baxter not great, but way better than expected considering his injury.  Wingo looked good, physical, fast...every bit as good as Smith.  Wisner looked good.

Defense was lights out good.  I was hoping for a big splash play resulting in a game changing turnover from AntHill, but it never materialized.  Guilbeau was our weak point but even he had a good game all things considered.  January and Watson were much better than any practice reports led us to believe.  LaFau was good all day.  CS didn't have his best game, but his competition was very good, so expected.  Burke looks good.

Weaknesses:  Arch missed that first throw and it seemed to affect him after that.  His body language and facial expressions were very negative, but at the end he had some step in his step.  Not enough misdirection compared to what we've seen from Sark the first 4 years.  

On the bright side, these threads bring out the quitters and trolls.  We may not see you after the 4th game of the year.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by taxsaver

[f1revo]

5 hours ago, Philip Barber said:

You don’t get it.  When we needed it, he didn’t get it. You don’t understand Ohio State’s defensive game plan, but I get it the nuances of football, the average fan doesn’t get.  It appears Sark doesn’t either since he doesn’t understand the importance of kicking field goals.  

I don't think their gameplan included having holes consistently created in the run game against their front 7.

Edited 1 hour ago by f1revo

[f1revo]

5 hours ago, UTexas said:

After whatcha few clips on YouTube, you’re right. O line had a solid day, until the goal line situations. 
 

Sarks gameplan and Arch missing some easy throws and holding the ball too long doomed us. 

Can't falt the OL for the 4th and 1. That play was telegraphed and they were totally out numbered inside.