OTF Premium Going to call a spade a spade

[jkates]

Arch's 2027 in Austin is going to rule. 

[Horn365]

Doesn’t help that during the offseason we heard how KJ had the offense moving. And then someone would ask about Arch and they would say Arch is Arch. Not good and not bad, just Arch. I always thought that wasn’t a good sign but just ignored it. 

[FHS Mr B]

1 hour ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Going to call a spade a spade 

This is a post I didn't want to have to make. I'm a big fan of Arch Manning. Have been since seeing him for the first time in high school. He's a very hard worker. He carries himself the correct way. He cares. He's a very "good guy," just like he says he wants to be. That's what has been drilled into him by his family, and the family is great. I love his sense of humor, and he carries himself really well in a true fishbowl of life he will forever live in. I'm happy he's a Texas Longhorn. His commitment to Texas was and remains massive for the University of Texas. I've said before many times on the YouTube channel he's the first high school athlete that I've seen built up and broken down, as that is normally saved for pro athletes and a select few in college. Being Arch Manning comes with a lot of good to great, and some the exact opposite. He's certainly not going to be treated by the media in a click bait world like the normal athlete. It is what it is, and it's not easy for an 18-22-year-old figuring out life just wanting to be a college "kid" while developing his craft. It was going to be that way for Arch at any blue blood he signed with.

With that said, I feel strongly that 20 starts and five games into the season with the fourth quarter vs. Oklahoma less than 24 hours removed is the time to address what has to happen moving forward for Manning. 

I thought back during the fourth quarter and after the game to the season opener vs. Texas State with 16 seconds remaining in the first half with Texas up 28-7. Texas was coming out of a timeout with the ball on the Texas State 10-yard line. I remember thinking (maybe saying on the Watch With Us) do not force a throw here. Even though the game wasn't in doubt, make the smart or correct quarterback play to end the half. Value points, value momentum, value the football. It all matters later in a season when games are on the line. Every play when a decision has to be made at the QB position is key part of development. Every single one. After an incompletion, Arch forced a throw over the middle into triple coverage that ended in a really bad interception. Did it hurt Texas in terms of winning or losing the game vs an inferior opponent? Of course not. Was it a really bad QB decision? Absolutely. Arch said it after the game and on Monday. I remember saying on the Watch With Us that needs to be the worst pass/decision Arch makes all season. Because anything close to that recurring would likely be a lot more meaningful in SEC play. 

Arch had some bad QB luck vs. Ohio State in the first half. He made two tremendous throws that were dropped - Cam Coleman and Ryan Wingo. Two should have been TDs (or eventual TD with Coleman). He had a wonderful QB moment in the fourth quarter rally and victory over a very good Ohio State team. In order to be real, it's also very important to be fair. 

The first drive vs UTSA was solid. He got off to a quality start. There was seemingly progression in decision making vs Ohio State and UTSA. After taking the self inflicted big hit, that game changed. Around a number of errant throws in that game (and before the hit) was the illegal forward pass with 13:56 remaining in the third quarter. It happens for all quarterbacks, and has throughout the history of the game. 

Fast forward to the Tennessee game. I've never seen two illegal forward passes by the same quarterback in a game. Never. I'm sure it has happened, but my eyes weren't on the TV or in person for a game in history it happened. And I've certainly never seen three in two games, or an illegal forward pass by the same QB in back-to-back games. Again, it's probably happened somewhere in the history of the game, but my 51-year-old eyes have never seen it. 

To do that three times in two games, and back-to-back games, is truly head scratching plays at the QB position. 

Around all that there were plays in each game where Arch was outside the tackle box and ate the ball taking an unneeded sack vs throwing the ball away. Similar to the end of the half vs. Texas State, those decisions don't hurt a team when you are winning, but one should clearly put those away in the memory bank if the decision-making returns in game deciding situations or games. 

Well, the fourth quarter of the Oklahoma game happened less than 24 hours ago. The pick-six pass can't be made, period. Under duress, Arch did a good job keeping the play alive, but what happened next just can't happen at the QB position. At some point in a quarterback's development, one has to register in the moment when the play calls for innate feel, instincts or extremely quick processing to throw the damn ball away. Not taking a sack in a meaningless game and throwing the ball away reps mattered earlier in the season. Sadly, the INT into triple coverage to the end the half vs. Texas State did not remain the worst pass thrown all season. I'm not going to break down the entire why the decision/throw was horrible, because it doesn't even need to be broken down. The ball wasn't valued. The moment wasn't valued. The situation wasn't valued. It wasn't processed in real time by a QB. 

Then there was the second INT. The reaction to the blitz was a forced throw again. It was a tough spot, but Manning had time to throw an uncatchable ball to the Texas coaches standing along the sideline. And this isn't a nitpick, as one can look at many scenarios in which a QB makes the correct throw away under duress with the game on the line. 

So where is Arch Manning at through five games this season, and 20 starts into his college career? In my opinion, he's now at the most important part of his career and development to date. Some really bad quarterback decisions in meaningless games early in the season became major in a rivalry game against a struggling team. A game that was given away by the Texas special teams, offense and quarterback. 

The head scratcher plays have to begin to cease. If we are still talking about them continuing to happen in November, there is a bigger problem that will have to be addressed. The plays in which one is forced to question innate feel and instincts for the position need to be in the rearview mirror, starting Saturday vs. Florida. The growth in game in split second decision making has to happen October 17. Period. 

The reality is Texas is going to score more points, make more explosive plays in the passing game and "look" better on offense the next three games in October. Texas isn't facing Matt Patricia, Jim Knowles and Brent Venables defenses and overall personnel level the next three games. But that doesn't mean Texas has suddenly improved or "found it" offensively. That doesn't mean Arch Manning has figured it out. This isn't about stats. This is about in-game decision making, and seeing the correct growth. 

Time is no longer on Arch Manning's side, and on Texas' side. Growth has to be easily seen. The time is now. I'm rooting for Arch, as I always have been. The fishbowl and pressure of being a Manning following in massive footsteps is real. That will always be acknowledged when I speak about Arch. At the same time, he's in a position in which major and career arc changing growth at the position has to begin today. There is no other option after five games this season. I'm not expecting perfection, as that is not the real world. I am expecting key growth to begin now. It simply has to for Arch, and the Texas Longhorns 2026 season. 

 

its obvious to me that Arch has the yips and is not seeing the whole field on a lot of plays.   I'm not sure who is helping him with his progressions and coaching him during the game.  That interception at the end of the game is unexplainable... .tied game, not 5 yards or more open throw it away.   Play another play, still can go in to OT and win it.   with his pedigree, all the experts in his ear he shouldn't be making those kind of mistakes.   But what can you do?  You have a NIL QB  with NIL Stars - you can't bench them. 

[Oldest Horn]

1 minute ago, Horn365 said:

Doesn’t help that during the offseason we heard how KJ had the offense moving. And then someone would ask about Arch and they would say Arch is Arch. Not good and not bad, just Arch. I always thought that wasn’t a good sign but just ignored it. 

“The light came on” for everyone in the offseason. Just like every offseason. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Oldest Horn

[Texas fan in Georgia]

20 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

I bet the LSU boards are singing Kiffen’s praises this morning. 🤔

I don’t think kiffin was the problem last night. 

[Oldest Horn]

Just now, Texas fan in Georgia said:

I don’t think kiffin was the problem last night. 

Not the point but thanks. 

[pinkman_90]

I honestly just can’t judge Arch accurately right now.  We have a coach who is trying to force Arch into a pocket passing QB in some garbage “multiple” offense where everything is predetermined because only genius Sark knows where the ball should go.  
 

Was it a bad decision not to throw the ball away on that last INT?  1000%.  But when there is an obvious overload blitz why do we have 3 slow developing routes all outside the hash?  This entire program will sink due to the ego of Steve Sarkisian.  

[Jordan91]

Awesome read. 

[Atxdubstep]

Quinn regressed from 1st year starting to last year starting, and the same can be said about arch. Is millwee or sark ruining the QBs?

[DLPilot]

7 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

I honestly just can’t judge Arch accurately right now.  We have a coach who is trying to force Arch into a pocket passing QB in some garbage “multiple” offense where everything is predetermined because only genius Sark knows where the ball should go.  
 

Was it a bad decision not to throw the ball away on that last INT?  1000%.  But when there is an obvious overload blitz why do we have 3 slow developing routes all outside the hash?  This entire program will sink due to the ego of Steve Sarkisian.  

There was a good breakdown by someone on X on that last interception.  We had trips left and our TE sat down 5 yards or so upfield and was open Arch looked there initially and looked off of him then when he looked right he saw the blitz and threw a terrible ball.  Check down left was still wide open. 

[HornsInAmarillo]

1 hour ago, DLPilot said:

Very well said, do we have an offensive identity and if we do what is it?  It seems like Sark just throws darts at the white board.  

 

Oh, we have an offensive identity. It's that we are pathetically inept at moving the ball.

[Oldest Horn]

8 minutes ago, Atxdubstep said:

Quinn regressed from 1st year starting to last year starting, and the same can be said about arch. Is millwee or sark ruining the QBs?

A lot of Quinn’s “regression” had to do with the deteriorating RB room. 

[bgreen04]

Great post and unfortunately a very raw look at where Arch is as a QB and this Offense is under Sark. You have to look at the trends and we have been trending down for 4 years now on the offensive side of the ball without any introspection from our HC/OC.

He’s not even willing to consider an alternative. His ego will ultimately cost him his job at this rate. Not sure what you do with Arch but he is an absolute head case, not sure if he has a mental performance coach but the kid needs one badly. He simply isnt processing things fast enough which leads to very poor decision making. If Texas doenst have the VR system that Jaydon Daniel’s was using at LSU they to immediately get it.

Defense is good enough to keep us in games but not sure that’s enough with this schedule. With all the money spent on this team the offense and special teams will cost us a playoff spot.

[Gerry Hamilton]

20 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

I honestly just can’t judge Arch accurately right now.  We have a coach who is trying to force Arch into a pocket passing QB in some garbage “multiple” offense where everything is predetermined because only genius Sark knows where the ball should go.  
 

Was it a bad decision not to throw the ball away on that last INT?  1000%.  But when there is an obvious overload blitz why do we have 3 slow developing routes all outside the hash?  This entire program will sink due to the ego of Steve Sarkisian.  

I get what you are saying, but both can be true. 

You can 100% accurately evaluate Arch right now. QB innate feel, instincts and in game quick decision making this season has a lot of opportunities and trends. 

[LostCreekLonghorn]

Said this last season but kind of a joke at this point that Milwee is the QBs coach. He helped recruit arch but has zero leg to stand on as the qualifications to be QBs coach. Just another yes man sark can wield power over. 

[UTexas]

2 hours ago, RN_surgery said:

Everything falls at the feet of Sark for me. He can’t make things easy for Arch. 
 

I hope we lose out and move on from Sark. 
 

 

Ridiculous comment.

[GDI]

2 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Going to call a spade a spade 

This is a post I didn't want to have to make. I'm a big fan of Arch Manning. Have been since seeing him for the first time in high school. He's a very hard worker. He carries himself the correct way. He cares. He's a very "good guy," just like he says he wants to be. That's what has been drilled into him by his family, and the family is great. I love his sense of humor, and he carries himself really well in a true fishbowl of life he will forever live in. I'm happy he's a Texas Longhorn. His commitment to Texas was and remains massive for the University of Texas. I've said before many times on the YouTube channel he's the first high school athlete that I've seen built up and broken down, as that is normally saved for pro athletes and a select few in college. Being Arch Manning comes with a lot of good to great, and some the exact opposite. He's certainly not going to be treated by the media in a click bait world like the normal athlete. It is what it is, and it's not easy for an 18-22-year-old figuring out life just wanting to be a college "kid" while developing his craft. It was going to be that way for Arch at any blue blood he signed with.

With that said, I feel strongly that 20 starts and five games into the season with the fourth quarter vs. Oklahoma less than 24 hours removed is the time to address what has to happen moving forward for Manning. 

I thought back during the fourth quarter and after the game to the season opener vs. Texas State with 16 seconds remaining in the first half with Texas up 28-7. Texas was coming out of a timeout with the ball on the Texas State 10-yard line. I remember thinking (maybe saying on the Watch With Us) do not force a throw here. Even though the game wasn't in doubt, make the smart or correct quarterback play to end the half. Value points, value momentum, value the football. It all matters later in a season when games are on the line. Every play when a decision has to be made at the QB position is key part of development. Every single one. After an incompletion, Arch forced a throw over the middle into triple coverage that ended in a really bad interception. Did it hurt Texas in terms of winning or losing the game vs an inferior opponent? Of course not. Was it a really bad QB decision? Absolutely. Arch said it after the game and on Monday. I remember saying on the Watch With Us that needs to be the worst pass/decision Arch makes all season. Because anything close to that recurring would likely be a lot more meaningful in SEC play. 

Arch had some bad QB luck vs. Ohio State in the first half. He made two tremendous throws that were dropped - Cam Coleman and Ryan Wingo. Two should have been TDs (or eventual TD with Coleman). He had a wonderful QB moment in the fourth quarter rally and victory over a very good Ohio State team. In order to be real, it's also very important to be fair. 

The first drive vs UTSA was solid. He got off to a quality start. There was seemingly progression in decision making vs Ohio State and UTSA. After taking the self inflicted big hit, that game changed. Around a number of errant throws in that game (and before the hit) was the illegal forward pass with 13:56 remaining in the third quarter. It happens for all quarterbacks, and has throughout the history of the game. 

Fast forward to the Tennessee game. I've never seen two illegal forward passes by the same quarterback in a game. Never. I'm sure it has happened, but my eyes weren't on the TV or in person for a game in history it happened. And I've certainly never seen three in two games, or an illegal forward pass by the same QB in back-to-back games. Again, it's probably happened somewhere in the history of the game, but my 51-year-old eyes have never seen it. 

To do that three times in two games, and back-to-back games, is truly head scratching plays at the QB position. 

Around all that there were plays in each game where Arch was outside the tackle box and ate the ball taking an unneeded sack vs throwing the ball away. Similar to the end of the half vs. Texas State, those decisions don't hurt a team when you are winning, but one should clearly put those away in the memory bank if the decision-making returns in game deciding situations or games. 

Well, the fourth quarter of the Oklahoma game happened less than 24 hours ago. The pick-six pass can't be made, period. Under duress, Arch did a good job keeping the play alive, but what happened next just can't happen at the QB position. At some point in a quarterback's development, one has to register in the moment when the play calls for innate feel, instincts or extremely quick processing to throw the damn ball away. Not taking a sack in a meaningless game and throwing the ball away reps mattered earlier in the season. Sadly, the INT into triple coverage to the end the half vs. Texas State did not remain the worst pass thrown all season. I'm not going to break down the entire why the decision/throw was horrible, because it doesn't even need to be broken down. The ball wasn't valued. The moment wasn't valued. The situation wasn't valued. It wasn't processed in real time by a QB. 

Then there was the second INT. The reaction to the blitz was a forced throw again. It was a tough spot, but Manning had time to throw an uncatchable ball to the Texas coaches standing along the sideline. And this isn't a nitpick, as one can look at many scenarios in which a QB makes the correct throw away under duress with the game on the line. 

So where is Arch Manning at through five games this season, and 20 starts into his college career? In my opinion, he's now at the most important part of his career and development to date. Some really bad quarterback decisions in meaningless games early in the season became major in a rivalry game against a struggling team. A game that was given away by the Texas special teams, offense and quarterback. 

The head scratcher plays have to begin to cease. If we are still talking about them continuing to happen in November, there is a bigger problem that will have to be addressed. The plays in which one is forced to question innate feel and instincts for the position need to be in the rearview mirror, starting Saturday vs. Florida. The growth in game in split second decision making has to happen October 17. Period. 

The reality is Texas is going to score more points, make more explosive plays in the passing game and "look" better on offense the next three games in October. Texas isn't facing Matt Patricia, Jim Knowles and Brent Venables defenses and overall personnel level the next three games. But that doesn't mean Texas has suddenly improved or "found it" offensively. That doesn't mean Arch Manning has figured it out. This isn't about stats. This is about in-game decision making, and seeing the correct growth. 

Time is no longer on Arch Manning's side, and on Texas' side. Growth has to be easily seen. The time is now. I'm rooting for Arch, as I always have been. The fishbowl and pressure of being a Manning following in massive footsteps is real. That will always be acknowledged when I speak about Arch. At the same time, he's in a position in which major and career arc changing growth at the position has to begin today. There is no other option after five games this season. I'm not expecting perfection, as that is not the real world. I am expecting key growth to begin now. It simply has to for Arch, and the Texas Longhorns 2026 season. 

 

Good read Gerry.  

I wonder how much of Arch's lack of development is what they are asking him to do?  

It seems like he is uncomfortable in the pocket even when he has time to throw,  not reading the field or receivers not getting open,  I don't know.  Maybe slow developing routes are the problem?

He has trouble hitting receivers in stride when they are crossing the field in front of him.  

We don't have an effective RPO game when that seems like it is something Arch should excel at.  How many times have we run a true RPO where Arch pulls the ball and made significant yardage?

The guy just looks uncomfortable out there to many times.  It's frustrating.  

[Connor Vaughn]

Gerry said it perfectly on coffee & football a few weeks back. Arch was never the type of player that Sark typically recruits at QB, but nobody was gonna turn down a Manning. 
 

Now that chicken has come home to roost. The sark and arch experiment has run its course. These 2 just don’t mesh. 
 

I fully put special teams issues on Sark, though. Banks should’ve been left in Dallas. 2025 version of Ryan Niblett single handedly bought him an extra year. 

[Bwells]

Teams have a blueprint for how to beat Texas. Stack the box, apply different pressure packages because they know arch isn’t gonna run , now he’s standing like a statue in the pocket. He had five rushing touchdowns this time last year, he has zero now. His legs used to be a weapon, that’s been taken away from him. Other teams see that,  now they can be more aggressive wit blitz packages. They know arch will occasionally hit the long pass downfield, but so inconsistent. They’re rolling the dice and it’s worth it.  Since Texas leads the SEC in no converting third down conversions, they’re not able to play complementary football, so the defense is on the field extensively longer than they should be and tiring  down in the third and fourth quarter as we saw against Oklahoma, as they were able to start running the ball and getting passes connected for longer gains because of  less pressure. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Bwells

[ClubWhatever]

QB development even for a Manning is measured in years if not decades.  The 10,000 hour rule applies here.  He’s not going to be a finished product until he’s played in the league for 5 to 7 years.   Sorry.

[Gerald Nash]

3 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Going to call a spade a spade 

This is a post I didn't want to have to make. I'm a big fan of Arch Manning. Have been since seeing him for the first time in high school. He's a very hard worker. He carries himself the correct way. He cares. He's a very "good guy," just like he says he wants to be. That's what has been drilled into him by his family, and the family is great. I love his sense of humor, and he carries himself really well in a true fishbowl of life he will forever live in. I'm happy he's a Texas Longhorn. His commitment to Texas was and remains massive for the University of Texas. I've said before many times on the YouTube channel he's the first high school athlete that I've seen built up and broken down, as that is normally saved for pro athletes and a select few in college. Being Arch Manning comes with a lot of good to great, and some the exact opposite. He's certainly not going to be treated by the media in a click bait world like the normal athlete. It is what it is, and it's not easy for an 18-22-year-old figuring out life just wanting to be a college "kid" while developing his craft. It was going to be that way for Arch at any blue blood he signed with.

With that said, I feel strongly that 20 starts and five games into the season with the fourth quarter vs. Oklahoma less than 24 hours removed is the time to address what has to happen moving forward for Manning. 

I thought back during the fourth quarter and after the game to the season opener vs. Texas State with 16 seconds remaining in the first half with Texas up 28-7. Texas was coming out of a timeout with the ball on the Texas State 10-yard line. I remember thinking (maybe saying on the Watch With Us) do not force a throw here. Even though the game wasn't in doubt, make the smart or correct quarterback play to end the half. Value points, value momentum, value the football. It all matters later in a season when games are on the line. Every play when a decision has to be made at the QB position is key part of development. Every single one. After an incompletion, Arch forced a throw over the middle into triple coverage that ended in a really bad interception. Did it hurt Texas in terms of winning or losing the game vs an inferior opponent? Of course not. Was it a really bad QB decision? Absolutely. Arch said it after the game and on Monday. I remember saying on the Watch With Us that needs to be the worst pass/decision Arch makes all season. Because anything close to that recurring would likely be a lot more meaningful in SEC play. 

Arch had some bad QB luck vs. Ohio State in the first half. He made two tremendous throws that were dropped - Cam Coleman and Ryan Wingo. Two should have been TDs (or eventual TD with Coleman). He had a wonderful QB moment in the fourth quarter rally and victory over a very good Ohio State team. In order to be real, it's also very important to be fair. 

The first drive vs UTSA was solid. He got off to a quality start. There was seemingly progression in decision making vs Ohio State and UTSA. After taking the self inflicted big hit, that game changed. Around a number of errant throws in that game (and before the hit) was the illegal forward pass with 13:56 remaining in the third quarter. It happens for all quarterbacks, and has throughout the history of the game. 

Fast forward to the Tennessee game. I've never seen two illegal forward passes by the same quarterback in a game. Never. I'm sure it has happened, but my eyes weren't on the TV or in person for a game in history it happened. And I've certainly never seen three in two games, or an illegal forward pass by the same QB in back-to-back games. Again, it's probably happened somewhere in the history of the game, but my 51-year-old eyes have never seen it. 

To do that three times in two games, and back-to-back games, is truly head scratching plays at the QB position. 

Around all that there were plays in each game where Arch was outside the tackle box and ate the ball taking an unneeded sack vs throwing the ball away. Similar to the end of the half vs. Texas State, those decisions don't hurt a team when you are winning, but one should clearly put those away in the memory bank if the decision-making returns in game deciding situations or games. 

Well, the fourth quarter of the Oklahoma game happened less than 24 hours ago. The pick-six pass can't be made, period. Under duress, Arch did a good job keeping the play alive, but what happened next just can't happen at the QB position. At some point in a quarterback's development, one has to register in the moment when the play calls for innate feel, instincts or extremely quick processing to throw the damn ball away. Not taking a sack in a meaningless game and throwing the ball away reps mattered earlier in the season. Sadly, the INT into triple coverage to the end the half vs. Texas State did not remain the worst pass thrown all season. I'm not going to break down the entire why the decision/throw was horrible, because it doesn't even need to be broken down. The ball wasn't valued. The moment wasn't valued. The situation wasn't valued. It wasn't processed in real time by a QB. 

Then there was the second INT. The reaction to the blitz was a forced throw again. It was a tough spot, but Manning had time to throw an uncatchable ball to the Texas coaches standing along the sideline. And this isn't a nitpick, as one can look at many scenarios in which a QB makes the correct throw away under duress with the game on the line. 

So where is Arch Manning at through five games this season, and 20 starts into his college career? In my opinion, he's now at the most important part of his career and development to date. Some really bad quarterback decisions in meaningless games early in the season became major in a rivalry game against a struggling team. A game that was given away by the Texas special teams, offense and quarterback. 

The head scratcher plays have to begin to cease. If we are still talking about them continuing to happen in November, there is a bigger problem that will have to be addressed. The plays in which one is forced to question innate feel and instincts for the position need to be in the rearview mirror, starting Saturday vs. Florida. The growth in game in split second decision making has to happen October 17. Period. 

The reality is Texas is going to score more points, make more explosive plays in the passing game and "look" better on offense the next three games in October. Texas isn't facing Matt Patricia, Jim Knowles and Brent Venables defenses and overall personnel level the next three games. But that doesn't mean Texas has suddenly improved or "found it" offensively. That doesn't mean Arch Manning has figured it out. This isn't about stats. This is about in-game decision making, and seeing the correct growth. 

Time is no longer on Arch Manning's side, and on Texas' side. Growth has to be easily seen. The time is now. I'm rooting for Arch, as I always have been. The fishbowl and pressure of being a Manning following in massive footsteps is real. That will always be acknowledged when I speak about Arch. At the same time, he's in a position in which major and career arc changing growth at the position has to begin today. There is no other option after five games this season. I'm not expecting perfection, as that is not the real world. I am expecting key growth to begin now. It simply has to for Arch, and the Texas Longhorns 2026 season. 

 

Well said Gerry. Year four, it is time for Arch to step up...

[pinkman_90]

49 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

I get what you are saying, but both can be true. 

You can 100% accurately evaluate Arch right now. QB innate feel, instincts and in game quick decision making this season has a lot of opportunities and trends. 

I don’t think it’s that cut and dry.  Sam Darnold went from a ghost seeing bust to an efficient Super Bowl winning QB.   I can say Sark and Arch 100% don’t fit well together.  

[Oldest Horn]

2 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

I don’t think it’s that cut and dry.  Sam Darnold went from a ghost seeing bust to an efficient Super Bowl winning QB.   I can say Sark and Arch 100% don’t fit well together.  

It took about 5 years and three stops for Darnold to develop. He was a bad fit several places. 

[pinkman_90]

5 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

It took about 5 years and three stops for Darnold to develop. He was a bad fit several places. 

Right.  I’m just saying if you evaluated him only based on the disaster with the jets, you’d think he’d have zero idea how to read a defense or make decisions.  

[pinkman_90]

49 minutes ago, Connor Vaughn said:

Gerry said it perfectly on coffee & football a few weeks back. Arch was never the type of player that Sark typically recruits at QB, but nobody was gonna turn down a Manning. 
 

Now that chicken has come home to roost. The sark and arch experiment has run its course. These 2 just don’t mesh. 
 

I fully put special teams issues on Sark, though. Banks should’ve been left in Dallas. 2025 version of Ryan Niblett single handedly bought him an extra year. 

What bought banks an extra year (or really 3 extra years at this point) is his friendship with Sark.