Hunter Bradford Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 I just finished watching it. I walked away thinking Stalions seems to be hiding something, strikes me as a smug rule-breaker, and will do anything to protect the University of Michigan. However, I’m not sure Michigan would’ve needed Stalions’ questionable sign-deciphering in order to win the Natty in ‘23. Michigan was a really good team from top to bottom. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tfrazier12 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 I don’t think it really matters if they “needed” it or not. Cheating is cheating and any team that gets caught cheating should face harsh consequences. Stallions is one thing for sure. A damn Liar. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Evans Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 He essentially admitted to lying by denying “remembering” if he was at Centeal Michigan game. Legal speak for I did it without admitting it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NothinButDaHorns34 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 I want to best michigan so bad in a couple of weeks. To be knowingly celebrating cheating your way to a national titles is mind blowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie_Bucco Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 I watched the documentary earlier tonight. I came away with zero doubt in my mind it was a large scheme, involving many people and Harbaugh knew. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TarrantCoHorn Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Why even talk in a doc like this? I guess he thinks he can carve a niche as the fall guy for Michigan and live on in fan lore somehow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasborn91 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Michigan didn’t need him, but they definitely cheated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Burton Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 8 hours ago, Artie_Bucco said: I watched the documentary earlier tonight. I came away with zero doubt in my mind it was a large scheme, involving many people and Harbaugh knew. He was awarded a game ball, and he was a sign stealer!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashtag Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said: Michigan didn’t need him, but they definitely cheated. You sure about that? Harbough was on the precipice of being fired prior to Stalions. Edited August 28 by Hashtag 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Burton Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 8 hours ago, Artie_Bucco said: I watched the documentary earlier tonight. I came away with zero doubt in my mind it was a large scheme, involving many people and Harbaugh knew. Just a weird and strange fall from grace for a guy who was accepted to and graduated from the Naval Academy of all places. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Bradford Posted August 28 Author Share Posted August 28 11 hours ago, Tfrazier12 said: I don’t think it really matters if they “needed” it or not. Cheating is cheating and any team that gets caught cheating should face harsh consequences. Stallions is one thing for sure. A damn Liar. Oh I agree! Cheating is wrong no matter what. My reason for making that point was answering the likely critic of my comment who would say, "You may be right, but they would have won either way!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Bradford Posted August 28 Author Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, Texasborn91 said: Michigan didn’t need him, but they definitely cheated. I agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobInHouston Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, Hashtag said: You sure about that? Harbough was on the precipice of being fired prior to Stalions. And they crushed the books. An unreal record ATS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasborn91 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, Hashtag said: You sure about that? Harbough was on the precipice of being fired prior to Stalions. Unless he was recruiting im still sure. Every program does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thandFive Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 13 hours ago, Hunter Bradford said: I just finished watching it. I walked away thinking Stalions seems to be hiding something, strikes me as a smug rule-breaker, and will do anything to protect the University of Michigan. However, I’m not sure Michigan would’ve needed Stalions’ questionable sign-deciphering in order to win the Natty in ‘23. Michigan was a really good team from top to bottom. Too bad Texas couldn’t get ANY rush on Penix so we could have found out… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashtag Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, Texasborn91 said: Unless he was recruiting im still sure. Every program does it. Every program isn’t sending staff to future opponents game to record signs. This is pure idiocy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Bradford Posted August 28 Author Share Posted August 28 17 minutes ago, 4thandFive said: Too bad Texas couldn’t get ANY rush on Penix so we could have found out… I think Texas did get a push. I remember Byron Murphy beating his guy and getting pressure, but Penix was elite at "escapability," and easily side-stepped him. Penix did the same with Ethan Burke as well. Texas got pressure, but not as much pressure that Michigan put on him, though I do think Penix had a better performance against Texas than Michigan, and not entirely because of Michigan's pressure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashtag Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 minute ago, Hunter Bradford said: I think Texas did get a push. I remember Byron Murphy beating his guy and getting pressure, but Penix was elite at "escapability," and easily side-stepped him. Penix did the same with Ethan Burke as well. Texas got pressure, but not as much pressure that Michigan put on him, though I do think Penix had a better performance against Texas than Michigan, and not entirely because of Michigan's pressure. Penix quite literally played the best game of his life against us....every throw he made that game was perfect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jc Dobbs Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 13 hours ago, Hashtag said: Penix quite literally played the best game of his life against us....every throw he made that game was perfect. I haven't re-watched the game... maybe just too painful, but I have followed CFB since 1969 and I thought Penix's performance was as good/"hot" as I ever recall at the QB position. He simply didn't miss. BTW, I thought Quinn's first quarter play against Bama in Austin in 2022 was outstanding. Then he got planted into the artificial turf at DKR and injured. I still think that injury play has affected Quinn ever since. Hopefully this season he will have worked through it and the aftermath will be gone. I'd love to see him play that well again... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Burton Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 20 hours ago, Hashtag said: Every program isn’t sending staff to future opponents game to record signs. This is pure idiocy This is exactly my response to folks who think everyone steals signs. Sure, they steal signs. They look for clues on tape and during the game. However, NO ONE ELSE I KNOW OF WENT TO AND RECORDED OTHER GAMES from the stands or elsewhere. No one else I know, attempted to be a Central Michigan staffer. This was a different level of cheating, pure and simple. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Burton Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 20 hours ago, Hunter Bradford said: I think Texas did get a push. I remember Byron Murphy beating his guy and getting pressure, but Penix was elite at "escapability," and easily side-stepped him. Penix did the same with Ethan Burke as well. Texas got pressure, but not as much pressure that Michigan put on him, though I do think Penix had a better performance against Texas than Michigan, and not entirely because of Michigan's pressure. They had a really good OL. Both tackles taken early by NFL and their center transferred to Alabama and is pre-season first team all-SEC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatHornsGuy87 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Watching it now and the weirdest part of this entire thing is a guy hiding his identity like he's hiding from the cartel lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTown Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Well when the NOA is leaked and it will be we will know. Followed this story and now the OSU insider claims how bad this is. Stumbled on it because they were investigating a former Coach Weiss. The FBI is involved there as he was hacking coeds accounts and possibly worse. Supposedly the sign stealing was found and all coaches were viewing it and way more. And UM knew early 2023 and didn't report. Take it FWIW but on 11 Warriors message board it is all there , what is in the NOA. So either they have egg on their face , or if what I read is true Michigan is done. NCAA is gonna hammer them. I have no idea, but they didn't settle, so get your🍿ready. They think this NOA info about to drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Butler Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) This may be a controversial take, but that Connor Stalions documentary just made me hate the NCAA more and like Stalions. Also, those Netflix documentaries aren't exactly "hard hitting". They made Florida look like they were just a misunderstood team led by a dedicated coach instead of a murdering group of hoodlums led by a narcissistic obsessive asshole. Also, if the NCAA weren’t so far behind and just had helmet comm in place years ago this wouldn’t be an issue. They would’ve had to go the patriots way and video practice. Edited August 29 by Alex Butler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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