Sark the QB whisperer

[Orngblud05]

Worth discussing. Sarks reputation is built on offense and developing QB’s. The mannings are exhibit A on putting their faith in him to develop their son. 
 

if Quinn was the highest rated recruit since ‘nam, what’s the problem?  Many people are saying he’s only marginally better today than he was 2 years ago…

He’s got the tools. He’s got the coach. Soooo???

[Threepacballer]

It’s hard for a coach to take over the mind of a player. Too bad Sark isn’t Vulcan 

[Robert Gilbert]

I think we all understand that Quinn was overrated coming out of HS. This, I believe, is typical of system QBs. Fans put way too much emphasis on star ratings and are often disappointed when that player does not live up to the unreal expectations placed upon a 17-18 year old kid. 

[harveycmd]

Quinn's problem is fundamentally a lack of consistent and repeatable mechanics. Surely Sark and Milwee have worked on that. In fact, the early season improvement clearly showed Quinn had improved his mechanics. The problem is that when things break down, his mechanics break down immediately. I said during the second bye week that if we wanted to seriously make a playoff run, you needed to move to Arch to give him time get going before the playoff starts. Maybe that's wrong. Maybe Quinn is the best chance, but it sure doesn't look like it when he's pressured looks shaky. 

[Texasborn91]

I think the injury just mind fu**ed him. Michigan Quinn beats anyone in the country. It’s so damn disappointing bc this defense will keep us in every game. 

[taxsaver]

2 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

Quinn's problem is fundamentally a lack of consistent and repeatable mechanics. Surely Sark and Milwee have worked on that. In fact, the early season improvement clearly showed Quinn had improved his mechanics. The problem is that when things break down, his mechanics break down immediately. I said during the second bye week that if we wanted to seriously make a playoff run, you needed to move to Arch to give him time get going before the playoff starts. Maybe that's wrong. Maybe Quinn is the best chance, but it sure doesn't look like it when he's pressured looks shaky. 

Yes, great post!...basically what I've been writing for 6 weeks as well.  If you want a winning record, then Ewers is your man.  He's good to the point that he may even beat some really good teams.  But he has certain weaknesses:

1)  low delivery point in comparison to other great passers

2)  not mobile at all, which is just another way of saying he's not a great ATHLETE,...he won't get confused with Mahomes anytime soon.

3)  When he DOES run he usually gets some much needed yards because no one expects him to run..

4)  his long throws are so far off so often that no teams respect the long ball from him.  That means the defenses can concentrate sole on the intermediate routes and the running game.

Therefore, IF Ewers throws an accurate long ball, it is a TD because the safeties ignored the possibility of the long throw before the game even began.

 

His strengths:

1)  Pinpoint accuracy in the short to intermediate throws 

2)  his TIMING on those throws is exceptional

3)  he knows the offense as well as any QB that has ever played ANY offense in college

4)  In spite of his lower than desired release point, the ball rolls off his fingers with ease and produces a tight spiral and easy to catch as well...it's why the ball rarely sails on him...if anything the ball is thrown in such a way that the aerodynmics of it all mean the nose of the football may even be a little low at the catch point, making catches easier...IMO

 

As far as Arch is concerned:

1)  We have no idea just how good he can be

2)  but, we can see that he is extremely accurate on those bombs

3)  because the defense MUST account for the high possibility of a bomb threat, they cannot sellout on the run...EVER...this means the running game SHOULD be better under Arch

4)  Arch can throw from the pocket, escape from the pocket, throw on the run, and, run...and he's dangerous there as he is pretty dern fast

 

That means Arch has a Mahomes type  of game.  Great arm, great accuracy, danger from anywhere regardless of down and yardage or field position.  Barring injury Arch will be better than not only Quinn, but perhaps the best prospect from and NFL prospective since Mahomes...even though SOME morons didn't recognize it in Mahomes at the time of the draft!

All that to say I love me some Quinn, but he has some pressing issues that need to be addressed.  Strangely, even after all those issues, I STILL see him better than some of the 1st round QB picks in the latest draft.  Does that mean Quinn will go first round?  That is yet to be determined.

I think we boatrace Kentucky, and aTm.

Our biggest threats in the playoffs?  UGA and Alabama.  Oregon's Dillon Gabrielle?  we'll be ready for that pesky, slippery, rat THIS time!  tOSU is ALWAYS dangerous, of course.

Let the games begin.

 

JMO

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

[CaseMcCoyTruther]

Quinn is Alex Smith, Arch is Patrick Mahomes. Offense will go from good to great under Arch imo

[qaertyisthatdude]

3 minutes ago, CaseMcCoyTruther said:

Quinn is Alex Smith, Arch is Patrick Mahomes. Offense will go from good to great under Arch imo

Eh Mahomes ain’t doing too hot rn.  But I get what you’re saying.  Under Bienemy, Mahomes was insane.  PK is like Spags.  Carrying the team on his back with this elite defense.

[taxsaver]

46 minutes ago, qaertyisthatdude said:

Eh Mahomes ain’t doing too hot rn.  But I get what you’re saying.  Under Bienemy, Mahomes was insane.  PK is like Spags.  Carrying the team on his back with this elite defense.

huh?  They're 9-0

[Bobby Burton]

I’d like to see a coach, a whisperer or whoever teach processing speed. Not sure it can be. Either you improve with repetition or you don’t. 

[Alex Butler]

1 hour ago, taxsaver said:

Yes, great post!...basically what I've been writing for 6 weeks as well.  If you want a winning record, then Ewers is your man.  He's good to the point that he may even beat some really good teams.  But he has certain weaknesses:

1)  low delivery point in comparison to other great passers

2)  not mobile at all, which is just another way of saying he's not a great ATHLETE,...he won't get confused with Mahomes anytime soon.

3)  When he DOES run he usually gets some much needed yards because no one expects him to run..

4)  his long throws are so far off so often that no teams respect the long ball from him.  That means the defenses can concentrate sole on the intermediate routes and the running game.

Therefore, IF Ewers throws an accurate long ball, it is a TD because the safeties ignored the possibility of the long throw before the game even began.

 

His strengths:

1)  Pinpoint accuracy in the short to intermediate throws 

2)  his TIMING on those throws is exceptional

3)  he knows the offense as well as any QB that has ever played ANY offense in college

4)  In spite of his lower than desired release point, the ball rolls off his fingers with ease and produces a tight spiral and easy to catch as well...it's why the ball rarely sails on him...if anything the ball is thrown in such a way that the aerodynmics of it all mean the nose of the football may even be a little low at the catch point, making catches easier...IMO

 

As far as Arch is concerned:

1)  We have no idea just how good he can be

2)  but, we can see that he is extremely accurate on those bombs

3)  because the defense MUST account for the high possibility of a bomb threat, they cannot sellout on the run...EVER...this means the running game SHOULD be better under Arch

4)  Arch can throw from the pocket, escape from the pocket, throw on the run, and, run...and he's dangerous there as he is pretty dern fast

 

That means Arch has a Mahomes type  of game.  Great arm, great accuracy, danger from anywhere regardless of down and yardage or field position.  Barring injury Arch will be better than not only Quinn, but perhaps the best prospect from and NFL prospective since Mahomes...even though SOME morons didn't recognize it in Mahomes at the time of the draft!

All that to say I love me some Quinn, but he has some pressing issues that need to be addressed.  Strangely, even after all those issues, I STILL see him better than some of the 1st round QB picks in the latest draft.  Does that mean Quinn will go first round?  That is yet to be determined.

I think we boatrace Kentucky, and aTm.

Our biggest threats in the playoffs?  UGA and Alabama.  Oregon's Dillon Gabrielle?  we'll be ready for that pesky, slippery, rat THIS time!  tOSU is ALWAYS dangerous, of course.

Let the games begin.

 

JMO

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

Great stuff both!!

[taxsaver]

2 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Quinn is a mental midget.

irresponsible comment. 

He is great MENTALLY but does not have the great ATHLETIC skills that other top QBs possess.  In spite of that, he presents a threat to ANY team he faces.

[Hashtag]

1 minute ago, taxsaver said:

irresponsible comment. 

He is great MENTALLY but does not have the great ATHLETIC skills that other top QBs possess.  In spite of that, he presents a threat to ANY team he faces.

If he is so great mentally Sark wouldn't be doing gymnastics in play calling and press conferences protecting him. There is not a single team right now that feels threatened by a guy who holds the ball for eternity, self sacks, and has the pocket presence of Helen Keller. And that doesn't even mention he couldn't hit a deep ball to save his life.

Edited November 17 by Hashtag

[Bobby Burton]

Hashtag, your comment on Quinn cut a little too deep, so I deleted it. There’s a way to say things without calling someone names. No biggie, just wanted to let you know. 

[qaertyisthatdude]

21 minutes ago, taxsaver said:

huh?  They're 9-0

Because of Spags

[TexasLonghorns]

Sark only gets credit if the player turns out to be good. If he doesn’t develop, it was because the player is bad. Hilarious. 

[HornsUpThumbsDown]

2 hours ago, Bobby Burton said:

I’d like to see a coach, a whisperer or whoever teach processing speed. Not sure it can be. Either you improve with repetition or you don’t. 

Are you saying Quinn can’t process saw some pretty decent examples that he could Saturday even with 3 high. Yes missed throw to golden and bolden deep. 

[Toriel Pearl]

I don’t get the hate on Quinn. Is he a high level nfl QB is tbd. But no doubt he has improved under sark and he will always be the QB that brought us back. He’s not perfect, but he wins, makes the play when it’s absolutely needed, 9 game road winning streak, which I think he plays better on the road. Which is important. I think his confidence is easily shaken and that not something you can coach. You can tell sark knows this because he rarely ever says anything bad(can’t find the right word) about Quinn, but he will about arch weaknesses in a heartbeat. Arch can handle it. That’s just my opinion. 

[KelvinMuhammad]

4 hours ago, Orngblud05 said:

Worth discussing. Sarks reputation is built on offense and developing QB’s. The mannings are exhibit A on putting their faith in him to develop their son. 
 

if Quinn was the highest rated recruit since ‘nam, what’s the problem?  Many people are saying he’s only marginally better today than he was 2 years ago…

He’s got the tools. He’s got the coach. Soooo???

Quinn was not recruited by Sark out of HS. He needed a QB, my guess is Quinn more than likely reached out to him 1st. Quinn owes a lot to Sark for making him a vocal leader and getting him NFL ready.  The QB's on campus now are all hand picked by Sark for their "point guard" like quailities. As a fan I'm enjoying every win this year UT can win it all with Quinn and this D and I can't wait til next year

[Daniel Lovell]

5 hours ago, taxsaver said:

huh?  They're 9-0

So Quinn’s doing good ? 9-1

[Class of 04]

3 hours ago, Toriel Pearl said:

I don’t get the hate on Quinn. Is he a high level nfl QB is tbd. But no doubt he has improved under sark and he will always be the QB that brought us back. He’s not perfect, but he wins, makes the play when it’s absolutely needed, 9 game road winning streak, which I think he plays better on the road. Which is important. I think his confidence is easily shaken and that not something you can coach. You can tell sark knows this because he rarely ever says anything bad(can’t find the right word) about Quinn, but he will about arch weaknesses in a heartbeat. Arch can handle it. That’s just my opinion. 

This is a fair assessment.

[Red Five]

3 hours ago, Toriel Pearl said:

I don’t get the hate on Quinn. 

Because he's about to start seeing some really good defenses and people fear that it's gonna look a lot like what we got in the Georgia game. 

Also, he's been a very mediocre QB for much of the season. 

I'm personally amazed he's had as much success as he has, considering he's not a threat to run and struggles throwing the ball downfield.