Hoops: College coaching carousel 2025

[bierce]

1 minute ago, pinkman_90 said:

Nope you couldn’t answer.  Test failed.  I was expected to leave my bedroom to go back out and watch BYU so it’s on you to figure it out. 

Except I'm not watching the game and I can't watch the game.  How can I be said to fail a test when I can't even see the question?

[pinkman_90]

4 minutes ago, bierce said:

Except I'm not watching the game and I can't watch the game.  How can I be said to fail a test when I can't even see the question?

Valid point but I didn’t make the rules

[bierce]

6 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

Valid point but I didn’t make the rules

It's your question, so it is your rules.

[pinkman_90]

1 minute ago, bierce said:

It's your question, so it is your rules.

Applying the same rules that the Jordan fella set in a question back to him.  You jumped in so take what you can get

[TexasDeathStar]

Ight boys, daddy’s putting belt to ass. @bierce and @Jordan91 y’all seem to be very vocal on the hoops stuff. Tell me why you are anti Sean Miller since he’s the name that’s been brought up, and caused such a meltdown on here tonight. I’m pretty mentally challenged when it comes to the nuances and fine details of bball, bec…..well, football 🤷🏻‍♂️ so I’m just looking for the WHY? And, if you think RT needs another crack at landing the plane (which isn’t easy to do in 2025 I hear) why?

[Jordan91]

30 minutes ago, bierce said:

Not Jordan here, but I don't have ESPN+, so why don't you tell me? 

He asked what offensive sets they are running. Not much I can do with that. Been decades since I have heard that term in basketball. 

[bierce]

I don't see the rationale behind not hiring Wade but hiring a guy 13 years older who has the same federal investigation about his doings a few years back.

I don't see the rationale behind hiring a guy who probably already makes close to $5M a year when you can get someone a lot younger and a lot hungrier for 1/2 to 2/3 that amount and use the savings to fund the NIL package.

I don't think Miller is as good as an architect of offense as Murray, Wade, or even Pitino. 

I don't see the rationale spending a ton of money to hire a guy who is 10 years removed from his period of great success, when it was probably fueled by playing outside the rules.  Now everyone can do what he was doing, so what advantage does he have? 

I grant Gerry's point about Miller getting a lot of international recruits, but I don't give him a pass for not making the tournament last year without Freemantle and maybe not making this year with Freemantle.

Miller made the second weekend 5 times in 7 years.  That is a major accomplishment.

It also happened ten years ago.  Was Barnes as desirable in 2016 as he was in 2008?

[Jordan91]

7 minutes ago, TexasDeathStar said:

Ight boys, daddy’s putting belt to ass. @bierce and @Jordan91 y’all seem to be very vocal on the hoops stuff. Tell me why you are anti Sean Miller since he’s the name that’s been brought up, and caused such a meltdown on here tonight. I’m pretty mentally challenged when it comes to the nuances and fine details of bball, bec…..well, football 🤷🏻‍♂️ so I’m just looking for the WHY? And, if you think RT needs another crack at landing the plane (which isn’t easy to do in 2025 I hear) why?

He’s done. It’s not the boos. When you have fans leave eight minutes early on your home court that gets you in trouble. Best way to force a change is with your money. Sean Miller with the same NIL? It would produce better results, but over the long haul I don’t see it. He’s 58 and far removed from his days at Arizona, a basketball school by the way, and he’s not killing it at Xavier. I don’t see him consistently finishing in the top half of the conference consistently. A conference that currently has three football schools at the top. Gerry likes him and I would love to be wrong, because that means Texas is winning at a high level. I just don’t think Texas is that interested in being at that level. If they are, they aren’t paying enough to get to that level. Just my opinion. 

[Jordan91]

5 minutes ago, bierce said:

I don't see the rationale behind not hiring Wade but hiring a guy 13 years older who has the same federal investigation about his doings a few years back.

I don't see the rationale behind hiring a guy who probably already makes close to $5M a year when you can get someone a lot younger and a lot hungrier for 1/2 to 2/3 that amount and use the savings to fund the NIL package.

I don't think Miller is as good as an architect of offense as Murray, Wade, or even Pitino. 

I don't see the rationale spending a ton of money to hire a guy who is 10 years removed from his period of great success, when it was probably fueled by playing outside the rules.  Now everyone can do what he was doing, so what advantage does he have? 

I grant Gerry's point about Miller getting a lot of international recruits, but I don't give him a pass for not making the tournament last year without Freemantle and maybe not making this year with Freemantle.

Miller made the second weekend 5 times in 7 years.  That is a major accomplishment.

It also happened ten years ago.  Was Barnes as desirable in 2016 as he was in 2008?

This!!

[TexasDeathStar]

6 minutes ago, bierce said:

I don't see the rationale behind not hiring Wade but hiring a guy 13 years older who has the same federal investigation about his doings a few years back.

I don't see the rationale behind hiring a guy who probably already makes close to $5M a year when you can get someone a lot younger and a lot hungrier for 1/2 to 2/3 that amount and use the savings to fund the NIL package.

I don't think Miller is as good as an architect of offense as Murray, Wade, or even Pitino. 

I don't see the rationale spending a ton of money to hire a guy who is 10 years removed from his period of great success, when it was probably fueled by playing outside the rules.  Now everyone can do what he was doing, so what advantage does he have? 

I grant Gerry's point about Miller getting a lot of international recruits, but I don't give him a pass for not making the tournament last year without Freemantle and maybe not making this year with Freemantle.

Miller made the second weekend 5 times in 7 years.  That is a major accomplishment.

It also happened ten years ago.  Was Barnes as desirable in 2016 as he was in 2008?

Well said. That’s all I wanted to hear was the WHY in your opinions, without having to analyze every other comment in here. And not being a hoops diehard myself. Hat tip to you.

[TexasDeathStar]

4 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

He’s done. It’s not the boos. When you have fans leave eight minutes early on your home court that gets you in trouble. Best way to force a change is with your money. Sean Miller with the same NIL? It would produce better results, but over the long haul I don’t see it. He’s 58 and far removed from his days at Arizona, a basketball school by the way, and he’s not killing it at Xavier. I don’t see him consistently finishing in the top half of the conference consistently. A conference that currently has three football schools at the top. Gerry likes him and I would love to be wrong, because that means Texas is winning at a high level. I just don’t think Texas is that interested in being at that level. If they are, they aren’t paying enough to get to that level. Just my opinion. 

Respect. Just looking for answers, and reasons on opinions is all. 

[bierce]

Just now, TexasDeathStar said:

Well said. That’s all I wanted to hear was the WHY in your opinions, without having to analyze every other comment in here. And not being a hoops diehard myself. Hat tip to you.

You got it.

It's pretty much a recap of comments I have made over the last couple of weeks.

Despite our experience with Smart crapping out (in large part because he redefined himself the moment he got here), I'm still of the opinion we would be better off hiring a guy who can define his career here.

I'd look at Murray, McCollum, and Pitino first before going an expensive but "safe" option of a guy who hasn't played above seed in the tournament for 12-15 years.

[bierce]

I have a question for the board.

Which P5 programs made the best hires in the last 7-8 years?

[TexasDeathStar]

12 minutes ago, bierce said:

I have a question for the board.

Which P5 programs made the best hires in the last 7-8 years?

Nate Oats, Buzz Williams? 🤷🏻‍♂️ tough to admit, but he has won. You could say Jon scheyer, but you could also say he’s just a familiar face, that got tossed in the driver seat of the machine that is Duke Basketball 

[Realist Horn]

I saw Jai Lucas was an option at Miami; would he excite anyone at Texas? 

[Gerry Hamilton]

A lot of Texas fans will say go hire Nate Oates … 

1. I’m sure there will be a feeler

2. Nate Oates may be at a better job long term for him 

3. Getting a Nate Oates level coach would be a basketball investment Texas has never made.

It would take a 10 million buyout of Oates, plus 7.5-8 mill a year, plus a larger assistant pool that now.

Plus a likely 5-6 million commitment in NIL 

And You have RT and staff’s buyout on top of it. 

Texas has never made that level investment in hoops.

If Texas decided to make that type of investment… then the head coaching pool of candidates looks totally different 

 

 

[Gerry Hamilton]

If Texas is going to pay in the 4.5-5 mill range with a 4 mill NIL range budget 

Texas will still have a quality list of candidates 

But not the dream hot board list 

 

[Bevo92]

It’s time for CDC to start the formal search.  Blowout loss to Gamecocks was final nail in the coffin.   Couple of coaches that would be interesting:

1) Nate Oates (home run hire but massive buyout makes this reach seem unlikely).   Recruiting, coaching, second to none, etc. 

2) Royal Ivey - strong history with UT, deep experience in NBA as player and assistant coach.   Proved to have strong coaching chops as head coach of South Sudan team starting in 2021.   Nearly beat US before 2024 Olympics.   SSD became the Cinderella story at 2024 Olympics.    Love his story as a player and coach.

3) Not a ton of exciting options out there but definitely some solid options that would be big upgrade over current staff.   
    +McCasland has gotten Texas Tech on right track.   
    +Rick Pitino has turned St John’s around.   CDC likely  wants to go younger.  

    + TJ Otzelberger - Has Iowa State playing well the past several years.   

[harveycmd]

12 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

A lot of Texas fans will say go hire Nate Oates … 

1. I’m sure there will be a feeler

2. Nate Oates may be at a better job long term for him 

3. Getting a Nate Oates level coach would be a basketball investment Texas has never made.

It would take a 10 million buyout of Oates, plus 7.5-8 mill a year, plus a larger assistant pool that now.

Plus a likely 5-6 million commitment in NIL 

And You have RT and staff’s buyout on top of it. 

Texas has never made that level investment in hoops.

If Texas decided to make that type of investment… then the head coaching pool of candidates looks totally different 

 

 

We're not getting Nate Oats.

[Gerry Hamilton]

I actually really like the idea of Royal Ivey …  he would just have to have the correct staff around him with zero college recruiting experience.

But NBA offensive mind, guys would play hard for him and the job would mean everything to him. 

But it would require thinking outside the box. 

The Rockets brass believes he’s likely an NBA head coach somewhere in two years. If he’s on the track … I would likely go that route if I were Ivey. 

[Gerry Hamilton]

3 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

We're not getting Nate Oats.

Texas can get someone of that caliber … money and financial commitment to program talks a lot 

Texas would just have to come over the top of whatever the school the coach is currently at with a huge financial commitment 

But Texas has never made that level of commitment in hoops 

[harveycmd]

3 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Texas can get someone of that caliber … money and financial commitment to program talks a lot 

Texas would just have to come over the top of whatever the school the coach is currently at with a huge financial commitment 

But Texas has never made that level of commitment in hoops 

The problem isn't "financial commitment." The problem is that Texas has had really good basketball coaches that they fired for BS reasons. Get Elon Musk to donate $100 mil and it won't change the fact they screw up. 

[Gerry Hamilton]

5 minutes ago, harveycmd said:

The problem isn't "financial commitment." The problem is that Texas has had really good basketball coaches that they fired for BS reasons. Get Elon Musk to donate $100 mil and it won't change the fact they screw up. 

You think a coach would turn down 6-7 mill a year with a 5-6 mill NIL commitment, one of the nations top arenas in one of the two future power conferences because Texas fired Chris Beard for hitting a woman? 

The coaching community knows Rick Barnes stopped recruiting with the same vigor at the end of his time in Austin. 

[harveycmd]

2 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

You think a coach would turn down 6-7 mill a year with a 5-6 mill NIL commitment, one of the nations top arenas in one of the two future power conferences because Texas fired Chris Beard for hitting a woman? 

The coaching community knows Rick Barnes stopped recruiting with the same vigor at the end of his time in Austin. 

What's Oats making now? What would Bama pay to keep him?

[Hashtag]

15 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

A lot of Texas fans will say go hire Nate Oates … 

1. I’m sure there will be a feeler

2. Nate Oates may be at a better job long term for him 

3. Getting a Nate Oates level coach would be a basketball investment Texas has never made.

It would take a 10 million buyout of Oates, plus 7.5-8 mill a year, plus a larger assistant pool that now.

Plus a likely 5-6 million commitment in NIL 

And You have RT and staff’s buyout on top of it. 

Texas has never made that level investment in hoops.

If Texas decided to make that type of investment… then the head coaching pool of candidates looks totally different 

 

 

The people of Surly have broken down CDCs criteria for coaching search which is the following:

Has coached at a P4 school(Big East included for basketball)
Has built a program at at least one P4 school (if not 2 programs, but one does not have to be P4)
Has NCAA postseason success

That criteria was used and added age as well as attainability due to buyouts to the criteria. It rendered the following names:

Tommy Lloyd, Arizona
Mick Cronin, UCLA
Dusty May, Michigan - Can be removed now due to extension but was on the initial list a few weeks ago.
TJ Otzelberger, Iowa St
Grant McCasland, Texas Tech
Pat Kelsey, Louisville
Todd Golden, Florida   
Brad Brownell, Clemson
Chris Jans, Miss St
Sean Miller, Xavier
Kevin Willard, Maryland

 

A name that Trilly Donovan has mentioned is Quin Snyder