pinkman_90 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 7 hours ago, Jordan91 said: He asked what offensive sets they are running. Not much I can do with that. Been decades since I have heard that term in basketball. Bahahaha. You really went with this response twice? And thought it was a “gotcha”? You really know less about basketball than you let on. Quote
Hashtag Posted February 23 Posted February 23 20 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said: Texas can get someone of that caliber … money and financial commitment to program talks a lot Texas would just have to come over the top of whatever the school the coach is currently at with a huge financial commitment But Texas has never made that level of commitment in hoops Texas has hired that caliber of coach in most sports since CDC’s arrival. Vic is one of the highest paid women’s coaches only behind Mulkey, Geno, and Dawn if I’m not mistaken. If CDC says he can get Coach X from whatever school, opens up the Rolodex, and rounds up the money it’s doable. But I think Oats buyout is just too much(will be 10+ million) Quote
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted February 23 Author Moderators Posted February 23 My current college coaching list … at 4.5-5 mill a year salary and 4 mill NIL commitment TJ Otzelberger Brad Brownell Mick Cronin - don’t love the style, but results are there Doug McDermott - tremendous offensive coach Sean Miller ***Guys like: Tommy Lloyd Todd Golden Pat Kelsey Are at better jobs and will all be making 5-6 mill a year in short order with solid NIL backing Grant McCaslin (Tremendous coach) will go to Baylor if Scott Drew is the pick at Indiana Quote
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted February 23 Author Moderators Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, Hashtag said: Texas has hired that caliber of coach in most sports since CDC’s arrival. Vic is one of the highest paid women’s coaches only behind Mulkey, Geno, and Dawn if I’m not mistaken. If CDC says he can get Coach X from whatever school, opens up the Rolodex, and rounds up the money it’s doable. But I think Oats buyout is just too much(will be 10+ million) I agree Texas can do it … but the brass will have to make a level of financial commitment they never have in hoops With salary escalation… it will take 6.5-7 mill a year, larger salary pool than ever at Texas, larger NIL commitment in men’s hoops, plus the coach buyout, etc… Plus the RT and staff buyout Thats a level of financial commitment Texas has never gone to in hoops Quote
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted February 23 Author Moderators Posted February 23 17 minutes ago, harveycmd said: What's Oats making now? What would Bama pay to keep him? Oates makes 5 and will make 7 long term is he stays. Has a 10+ mill buyout Thats what I’m getting at … Texas would have to make a guy like that (Oates, Pearl, etc) a 7-8 mill a year coach plus a large salary pool, 5-6 mill a year NIL commitment etc… Texas has never gone to that level in hoops They would have to make a massive investment in hoops to pull that level coach Quote
harveycmd Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Gerry Hamilton said: Oates makes 5 and will make 7 long term is he stays. Has a 10+ mill buyout Thats what I’m getting at … Texas would have to make a guy like that (Oates, Pearl, etc) a 7-8 mill a year coach plus a large salary pool, 5-6 mill a year NIL commitment etc… Texas has never gone to that level in hoops They would have to make a massive investment in hoops to pull that level coach I find it hard to believe that Texas would chince out over two million? Two mil is chicken feed to them. Quote
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted February 23 Author Moderators Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, harveycmd said: I find it hard to believe that Texas would chince out over two million? Two mil is chicken feed to them. Until they do it … they never have before in hoops When Beard was hired … his salary, assistant pool, NIL (which has escalated since then) was likely around 10 mill a year all in … he wanted the job badly. This next hire will be a mercenary type hire if it’s one of those very big names. They would force Texas’ hand in a way it never had been before IMO It would take 16-18 mill a year all in now to get one of those guys like Oates, Pearl, etc… I would love to see the commitment, but it’s never happened before to that level Quote
harveycmd Posted February 23 Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said: Until they do it … they never have before in hoops When Beard was hired … his salary, assistant pool, NIL (which has escalated since then) was likely around 10 mill a year all in … he wanted the job badly. This next hire will be a mercenary type hire if it’s one of those very big names. They would force Texas’ hand in a way it never had been before IMO It would take 16-18 mill a year all in now to get one of those guys like Oates, Pearl, etc… I would love to see the commitment, but it’s never happened before to that level Get back to CDC on Beard vs. Terry. Quote
Bevo92 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Hashtag said: The people of Surly have broken down CDCs criteria for coaching search which is the following: Has coached at a P4 school(Big East included for basketball) Has built a program at at least one P4 school (if not 2 programs, but one does not have to be P4) Has NCAA postseason success That criteria was used and added age as well as attainability due to buyouts to the criteria. It rendered the following names: Tommy Lloyd, Arizona Mick Cronin, UCLA Dusty May, Michigan - Can be removed now due to extension but was on the initial list a few weeks ago. TJ Otzelberger, Iowa St Grant McCasland, Texas Tech Pat Kelsey, Louisville Todd Golden, Florida Brad Brownell, Clemson Chris Jans, Miss St Sean Miller, Xavier Kevin Willard, Maryland A name that Trilly Donovan has mentioned is Quin Snyder Even though Florida is playing excellent basketball, you can mark Todd Golden off the list. His sexual harassment claims last year by UF several female students isn’t a good look. Especially after Chris Bears incident, character and clean record are important. Quote
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted February 23 Author Moderators Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Bevo92 said: Even though Florida is playing excellent basketball, you can mark Todd Golden off the list. His sexual harassment claims last year by UF several female students isn’t a good look. Especially after Chris Bears incident, character and clean record are important. And he’s at a better job too … which will pay big to keep him Quote
Assistant Regional Manager Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Realist Horn said: I saw Jai Lucas was an option at Miami; would he excite anyone at Texas? Nothing fires me up more than a college assistant with no head coaching experience whose reputation is built largely off recruiting. Maybe it works out for Miami but that job must not be super desirable less than 2 years removed from a final four if that is who they are picking. Quote
coreyh15 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Do you think Billy Donavan would come back to college? The Bulls have not been so good and I wonder if his time in the NBA is coming to an end. Quote
Assistant Regional Manager Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Will Wade and Chris Jans would be no-brainers in my mind, but both carry baggage that make me doubt if they would ever be considered here. 1 Quote
cmk4pres Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Just hire Ivey or Miller and be done with it. This is pathetic 1 1 Quote
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted February 23 Author Moderators Posted February 23 14 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said: Will Wade and Chris Jans would be no-brainers in my mind, but both carry baggage that make me doubt if they would ever be considered here. I'll be very surprised if Will Wade is the choice. Quote
Bevo92 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Gerry Hamilton said: I actually really like the idea of Royal Ivey … he would just have to have the correct staff around him with zero college recruiting experience. But NBA offensive mind, guys would play hard for him and the job would mean everything to him. But it would require thinking outside the box. The Rockets brass believes he’s likely an NBA head coach somewhere in two years. If he’s on the track … I would likely go that route if I were Ivey. If we can’t get proven home-run like Oates, I like the idea of Royal Ivey as our next HC a lot. It’s definitely out of the box. Big upgrade over current situation. With Ivey, it would be building for long-term. Proven to be excellent coach, players would love him. The fan base and donors would quickly get behind Ivey as momentum turns for the better. 3 Quote
TexasFanatic Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said: Texas can get someone of that caliber … money and financial commitment to program talks a lot Texas would just have to come over the top of whatever the school the coach is currently at with a huge financial commitment But Texas has never made that level of commitment in hoops Beard was making 5.1M and getting a good NIL pool. (Bigger than Terrys) CDC loves basketball and Texas is printing money right now. He has surprised with every hire and all are paid within the top 5. (Or close to it) Edited February 23 by TexasFanatic 2 Quote
bierce Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 9 hours ago, bierce said: I have a question for the board. Which P5 programs made the best hires in the last 7-8 years? I've gotten a few good answers to this question, but I'll give you my list UConn, Alabama, Arizona, Duke, ISU, and Florida hiring: Hurley, Oats, Lloyd, Scheyer, Otzelberger, and Golden I don't think it is too early to put Scheyer on the list. He had to work with a rebuilt roster in year one at Duke, and this year's team starts three freshman, a transfer, and a junior who never played for Shuh. Yes, he inherited a recruiting network, but he was a large part of that network for years. May might make the list soon, but I think it is too soon to make the call on him. None of these guys had any P5 head coaching experience at the time UConn, Alabama, Arizona, Duke, ISU,and Florida (and Michigan) hired them. Tommy Lloyd was the oldest of the bunch at 46. There have been other good hires like Cronin and Buzz, but I don't think they are quite the success the guys on my list are proving to be. Some mid-major hires flopped. Smart changed his identity and was snake-bit here but is doing well at Marquette now. Prohm was a disaster at ISU. Holtmann went the wrong way in year 5. Moser is on the verge of his 4th straight year without a tournament appearance. I don't have any input with CDC. I'm just a guy who watches a ton of basketball. But I think the lesson here is that great coaches are there at the lower level. A smart AD will find one and get him full support. I'll support the team no matter who we hire (short of Dave Bliss), but I will always think we should go with a young guy who is brilliant at strategies and tactics. Edited February 23 by bierce 1 Quote
TexasLonghorns Posted February 23 Posted February 23 2 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said: I agree Texas can do it … but the brass will have to make a level of financial commitment they never have in hoops With salary escalation… it will take 6.5-7 mill a year, larger salary pool than ever at Texas, larger NIL commitment in men’s hoops, plus the coach buyout, etc… Plus the RT and staff buyout Thats a level of financial commitment Texas has never gone to in hoops Kansas is paying their football coach 7 million a year. Paying their basketball coach 10+ million a year. Texas can’t match what Kansas is paying in the big 2 sports? 1 Quote
texcoyote15 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 8 minutes ago, bierce said: I've gotten a few good answers to this question, but I'll give you my list UConn, Alabama, Arizona, Duke, ISU, and Florida hiring: Hurley, Oats, Lloyd, Scheyer, Otzelberger, and Golden I don't think it is too early to put Scheyer on the list. He had to work with a rebuilt roster in year one at Duke, and this year's team starts three freshman, a transfer, and a junior who never played for Shuh. Yes, he inherited a recruiting network, but he was a large part of that network for years. May might make the list soon, but I think it is too soon to make the call on him. None of these guys had any P5 head coaching experience at the time UConn, Alabama, Arizona, Duke, ISU,and Florida (and Michigan) hired them. Tommy Lloyd was the oldest of the bunch at 46. There have been other good hires like Cronin and Buzz, but I don't think they are quite the success the guys on my list are proving to be. Some mid-major hires flopped. Smart changed his identity and was snake-bit here but is doing well at Marquette now. Prohm was a disaster at ISU. Holtmann went the wrong way in year 5. Moser is on the verge of his 4th straight year without a tournament appearance. I don't have any input with CDC. I'm just a guy who watches a ton of basketball. But I think the lesson here is that great coaches are there at the lower level. A smart AD will find one and get him full support. I'll support the team no matter who we hire (short of Dave Bliss), but I will always think we should go with a young guy who is brilliant at strategies and tactics. What do you think about Todd Golden at Florida? Quote
bierce Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Just now, texcoyote15 said: What do you think about Todd Golden at Florida? I think he's staying put at a school that totally had his back when Title IX investigations were pending against him and a staff member. 1 Quote
Hashtag Posted February 23 Posted February 23 2 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said: And he’s at a better job too … which will pay big to keep him Was Florida a better Job before Donovan? Quote
sarcher93 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Gerry Hamilton said: I'll be very surprised if Will Wade is the choice. Why? There is smoke. Quote
CoachBobbyFinstock Posted February 23 Posted February 23 2 hours ago, cmk4pres said: Just hire Ivey or Miller and be done with it. This is pathetic CDC will do better than that imo. Quote
CoachBobbyFinstock Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 hour ago, TexasFanatic said: Beard was making 5.1M and getting a good NIL pool. (Bigger than Terrys) CDC loves basketball and Texas is printing money right now. He has surprised with every hire and all are paid within the top 5. (Or close to it) Good post. People should be looking at this more. CDC is the guy now. Quit looking at what Texas has done before him. CDC did go after one of the best coaches and paid him like it. He will do this again. The Texas won’t commit thing doesn’t compute with me while CDC is AD. CDC is at his best lurking in the shadows being stealth. He will make a move and get it done. I’m calling this now. Quote
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