Wabi Sabi Posted February 24 Posted February 24 I'm not familiar with the details of the transgressions at LSU, but considering they stemmed from paying players which is now 'legal' - any other skeletons in the closet that would keep him from being a candidate, IF Rodney can't right the ship? Thoughts on him as a coach / overall style of play? My buddy that has his finger to the pulse said he actually has a great relationship with his staff/players and is highly thought-of. Any other mid-major coaches y'all think might become household names with a run as Cinderella in March? Guys like Dusty May, as an example. 1 Quote
bierce Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Wabi Sabi said: I'm not familiar with the details of the transgressions at LSU, but considering they stemmed from paying players which is now 'legal' - any other skeletons in the closet that would keep him from being a candidate, IF Rodney can't right the ship? Thoughts on him as a coach / overall style of play? My buddy that has his finger to the pulse said he actually has a great relationship with his staff/players and is highly thought-of. Any other mid-major coaches y'all think might become household names with a run as Cinderella in March? Guys like Dusty May, as an example. Top mid-major teams are VCU, UNM, UC San Diego, Drake, McNeese. But UNM is in a much stronger conference than the others. I've mentioned Richard Pitino at UNM several times. Ben McCollum at Drake has been discussed at length. Eric Olen at UC San Diego seems brilliant and on the rise. Ryan Odom at VCU was coaching UMBC when it beat #1 seed UVa in the first round in 2018. Wade is a known commodity willing to make strong-ass offers, but his willingness to give authority the finger is the thing that I think rankles our administration the most. Tyler introduced the idea of long-time UConn assistant and offensive guru Luke Murray, but he's not a hc of a mid-major. But I think it is a mistake to only look at a guy because he took mid-major on a tournament run. Dan Hurley and Nate Oats never got out of the second round before being hired at UConn and Alabama. By comparison, Shaka Smart and Porter Moser made Final Fours and Archie Miller and Shaheen Holloway made Elite Eights before landing P5 jobs. Edited February 24 by bierce 6 Quote
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted February 24 Moderators Posted February 24 Will Wade is working to get any high-major job he can right now. I do not think Texas will be an option for him. 3 Quote
texcoyote15 Posted February 24 Posted February 24 I think CDC will make a pretty big splash with this hire……..based on the other hires he’s made since he’s been here Quote
TexShoe Posted February 24 Posted February 24 Is Royal Ivey being discussed at all? We don't know if he can recruit, but NIL should offset some of his recruiting inexperience. His combination of NBA playing/coaching career, along with his miracle work with Sudan, all make him an intriguing candidate in my book. 1 Quote
bierce Posted February 25 Posted February 25 40 minutes ago, TexShoe said: Is Royal Ivey being discussed at all? We don't know if he can recruit, but NIL should offset some of his recruiting inexperience. His combination of NBA playing/coaching career, along with his miracle work with Sudan, all make him an intriguing candidate in my book. Welcome, Mr. Shoe. Still eating paste, I see. We've discussed Ivey a bit. Just have no idea if he's being considered by the administration. One thing I would note as a word of caution--he did play while Terry was an assistant here for two years. He might not like the idea of replacing him after a relatively quick hook. But I don't know anything about their relationship then and now. Quote
Jordan91 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 1 hour ago, TexShoe said: Is Royal Ivey being discussed at all? We don't know if he can recruit, but NIL should offset some of his recruiting inexperience. His combination of NBA playing/coaching career, along with his miracle work with Sudan, all make him an intriguing candidate in my book. Oh man you are here. He’s been discussed. Quote
Jordan91 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 1 hour ago, texcoyote15 said: I think CDC will make a pretty big splash with this hire……..based on the other hires he’s made since he’s been here Splash hire like? Quote
Jordan91 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 6 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said: Will Wade is working to get any high-major job he can right now. I do not think Texas will be an option for him. He’s ambitious. Not a bad thing. Quote
texcoyote15 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, Jordan91 said: Splash hire like? Like a fairly big name hire. I don’t know exactly who, but that’s kinda how he rolls. Quote
Jordan91 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 26 minutes ago, texcoyote15 said: Like a fairly big name hire. I don’t know exactly who, but that’s kinda how he rolls. Curious because the biggest ones are demanding salaries that Gerry said UT will not match. Quote
texcoyote15 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 Yeah I don’t see them paying $10M for a basketball coach. It’s going to be interesting to see what CDC does. Quote
TexShoe Posted February 25 Posted February 25 3 hours ago, Jordan91 said: Oh man you are here. He’s been discussed. Oh I’ve been here, just don’t post as much. I’ll try to spend more time here. Not much left at 247. What can I say, where Burton goes, I go. 2 Quote
Jordan91 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 1 hour ago, texcoyote15 said: Yeah I don’t see them paying $10M for a basketball coach. It’s going to be interesting to see what CDC does. Gerry put up the general cost of getting Oats and it’s around 24 million when you include everything. And that’s before they pay RT and his assistants. Quote
southpaw Posted February 25 Posted February 25 1 hour ago, TexShoe said: Oh I’ve been here, just don’t post as much. I’ll try to spend more time here. Not much left at 247. What can I say, where Burton goes, I go. Only reason I'm still there is the free Paramount+ sub. Quote
texcoyote15 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 8 hours ago, Jordan91 said: Gerry put up the general cost of getting Oats and it’s around 24 million when you include everything. And that’s before they pay RT and his assistants. I’d pay that. Oats is one of the top guys out there IMO. If we can get him or Bruce Pearl we need to do it. Quote
Hashtag Posted February 25 Posted February 25 12 hours ago, Jordan91 said: Curious because the biggest ones are demanding salaries that Gerry said UT will not match. He never said UT wouldn't match. He said in the past they haven't. This isn't the past and CDC needs basketball to be a top 10 program for revenue generation with revenue sharing. I think we will see the investment because of that reason alone. With that said I don't think we'd go after a guy like Oats who just has an insanely high buyout. But a coach with a buyout in the 5-8(ish) million range is attainable. Quote
Moderators Gerry Hamilton Posted February 25 Moderators Posted February 25 12 hours ago, Jordan91 said: Curious because the biggest ones are demanding salaries that Gerry said UT will not match. As someone else pointed out ... I just said Texas has never made that level of investment in hoops. Until they do, I'm in prove it mode. If Texas is willing to go all in at 16-18 mill a year in hoops ... the pool of coaches goes to another level 16-18 mill a year broken down for me: 7-8 for HC 3-4 salary pool for assistants, probable GM, S&C, etc... 5-6 NIL guarantee as part of deal If Texas tries to go that big, it's a mercenary hire that will have all the leverage on Texas in the negotiations. 2 Quote
TexasFanatic Posted February 25 Posted February 25 (edited) 12 hours ago, Jordan91 said: Curious because the biggest ones are demanding salaries that Gerry said UT will not match. Gerry also said it was opinion based on what Texas has done in the past. lol I was typing as Gerry posted above ^^^ Edited February 25 by TexasFanatic 1 Quote
Jordan91 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 1 hour ago, texcoyote15 said: I’d pay that. Oats is one of the top guys out there IMO. If we can get him or Bruce Pearl we need to do it. Gerry said a feeler would be put out. It doesn’t go further than that. I would pay it, but I am not Texas. Quote
Jordan91 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 52 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said: As someone else pointed out ... I just said Texas has never made that level of investment in hoops. Until they do, I'm in prove it mode. If Texas is willing to go all in at 16-18 mill a year in hoops ... the pool of coaches goes to another level 16-18 mill a year broken down for me: 7-8 for HC 3-4 salary pool for assistants, probable GM, S&C, etc... 5-6 NIL guarantee as part of deal If Texas tries to go that big, it's a mercenary hire that will have all the leverage on Texas in the negotiations. So it is possible? That’s encouraging. Quote
texcoyote15 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 1 minute ago, Jordan91 said: Gerry said a feeler would be put out. It doesn’t go further than that. I would pay it, but I am not Texas. I’d put a feeler out on Jay Wright, Oats, and Pearl and I’d pay it but CDC may have other ideas Then my next feelers would be Golden from Florida and Otzelberger from Iowa St. I don’t know who after that. 1 Quote
Jordan91 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Hashtag said: He never said UT wouldn't match. He said in the past they haven't. This isn't the past and CDC needs basketball to be a top 10 program for revenue generation with revenue sharing. I think we will see the investment because of that reason alone. With that said I don't think we'd go after a guy like Oats who just has an insanely high buyout. But a coach with a buyout in the 5-8(ish) million range is attainable. I have never thought Oats was an option. Gerry just used the name for those wanting a coach like that. Lots of other coaches fall into that category. CDC can certainly send feelers out. Then you need interest from the other party (which will eliminate many, because they already have everything they want), and hopefully a few that do express some interest. Quote
Jordan91 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 3 minutes ago, texcoyote15 said: I’d put a feeler out on Jay Wright, Oats, and Pearl and I’d pay it but CDC may have other ideas Then my next feelers would be Golden from Florida and Otzelberger from Iowa St. I don’t know who after that. Wright is a waste of time, he has made it clear he is not coming back. Texas reached out to him before they hired Shaka and he wasn’t interested. Quote
Jordan91 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Gerry Hamilton said: As someone else pointed out ... I just said Texas has never made that level of investment in hoops. Until they do, I'm in prove it mode. If Texas is willing to go all in at 16-18 mill a year in hoops ... the pool of coaches goes to another level 16-18 mill a year broken down for me: 7-8 for HC 3-4 salary pool for assistants, probable GM, S&C, etc... 5-6 NIL guarantee as part of deal If Texas tries to go that big, it's a mercenary hire that will have all the leverage on Texas in the negotiations. They will build a statue of CDC if he can convince BMDs to spend that money. 1 Quote
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