Justin Tucker

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[Hashtag]

Expected, slipped up in production last year and the rub and tugs without consent. 

[ArizonaLonghorn]

Do the Cleveland Browns need a kicker?

[Class of 04]

18 minutes ago, ArizonaLonghorn said:

Do the Cleveland Browns need a kicker?

Surely one of their 27 QB's can kick....

[Jonas Peterson]

12 hours ago, Hashtag said:

Expected, slipped up in production last year and the rub and tugs without consent. 

It was more him tugging during rubs, i don't think that has anything to do with consent.

[817 Boxing B]

Funny...no outrage here... but Deshaun Watson... ah man. There always seems to be a difference in how things are handled or viewed, depending on who does what.

We know what happened to Kap. I also seen Nick Bosa make his statements with no outrage. So now... Tuck's got the same type of allegations that Deshaun had... but he's prepping the Ravens and the NFL at the draft. Tuck never deals with suspensions or none of that, this way. 

This is why I will type Amerikkka the way I do. There's always a hint of plausible deniability or a deflection that comes with it... but when it's clear and evident, I never let the moment pass.

[Hashtag]

43 minutes ago, 817 Boxing B said:

Funny...no outrage here... but Deshaun Watson... ah man. There always seems to be a difference in how things are handled or viewed, depending on who does what.

We know what happened to Kap. I also seen Nick Bosa make his statements with no outrage. So now... Tuck's got the same type of allegations that Deshaun had... but he's prepping the Ravens and the NFL at the draft. Tuck never deals with suspensions or none of that, this way. 

This is why I will type Amerikkka the way I do. There's always a hint of plausible deniability or a deflection that comes with it... but when it's clear and evident, I never let the moment pass.

I think it has more to do with Tucker being a former Longhorn on a UT message board than race. Just look at the minimum talk/outrage of Brooks DUI arrest where as if that was an Aggie the thread would be far longer ripping Aggie and tons of post about it. 

[Bobby Burton]

38 minutes ago, 817 Boxing B said:

Funny...no outrage here... but Deshaun Watson... ah man. There always seems to be a difference in how things are handled or viewed, depending on who does what.

We know what happened to Kap. I also seen Nick Bosa make his statements with no outrage. So now... Tuck's got the same type of allegations that Deshaun had... but he's prepping the Ravens and the NFL at the draft. Tuck never deals with suspensions or none of that, this way. 

This is why I will type Amerikkka the way I do. There's always a hint of plausible deniability or a deflection that comes with it... but when it's clear and evident, I never let the moment pass.

While elements of what you say are true, I think it's more about who the people are.

For example, Bob Kraft got plenty of grief over his involvement in these types of places, although he apparently did so with consent. He was on the news over it for months.

DeShaun Watson did it without consent sometimes, allegedly.

Those two are/were the faces of a franchise. They have a much higher profile than Tucker. After all, Tucker is a kicker.

If Tom Brady did it, what do you think the media would do?

There's also the idea that Kraft was the first owner and Watson was the first player to have to bear such allegations. So the "newness" aspect drove some of the media narrative IMO. It's similar to the first time someone like Ray Rice did what he did during the Me Too movement.

As for the punishment phase, Tucker was just waived by his team after they looked deeper into the allegations apparently. What else could a team do?

My point is: I think there are certainly some elements of race as an issue in America that are valid. And part of what you wrote above is true.

But it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison like you make it out to be.

Again, America is not perfect. I'm just not so sure this is a shining direct example of what you speak.

[Atticus]

High profile QB in Houston vs a really good kicker in Baltimore. One draws more eyeballs than the other. 

I don’t disagree with the sentiment though.

Brett Favre is still out there yucking it up after stealing millions while others haven’t been so fortunate. 

[Oldest Horn]

8 minutes ago, Atticus said:

High profile QB in Houston vs a really good kicker in Baltimore. One draws more eyeballs than the other. 

I don’t disagree with the sentiment though.

Brett Favre is still out there yucking it up after stealing millions while others haven’t been so fortunate. 

So far no one has gone to jail. And all of Favre’s misdeeds were or came out after his playing days were over. And, yes, he’s a scumbag too. 
 

[817 Boxing B]

18 minutes ago, Bobby Burton said:

While elements of what you say are true, I think it's more about who the people are.

For example, Bob Kraft got plenty of grief over his involvement in these types of places, although he apparently did so with consent. He was on the news over it for months.

DeShaun Watson did it without consent sometimes, allegedly.

Those two are/were the faces of a franchise. They have a much higher profile than Tucker. After all, Tucker is a kicker.

If Tom Brady did it, what do you think the media would do?

There's also the idea that Kraft was the first owner and Watson was the first player to have to bear such allegations. So the "newness" aspect drove some of the media narrative IMO. It's similar to the first time someone like Ray Rice did what he did during the Me Too movement.

As for the punishment phase, Tucker was just waived by his team after they looked deeper into the allegations apparently. What else could a team do?

My point is: I think there are certainly some elements of race as an issue in America that are valid. And part of what you wrote above is true.

But it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison like you make it out to be.

Again, America is not perfect. I'm just not so sure this is a shining direct example of what you speak.

I agree with most of what you said here, but I'd like to highlight a few things. Yes, Robert Kraft did face some scrutiny, but the level of scrutiny he received, compared to that of a  Kapernik or a DeShaun Watson, isn't comparable, at all.... and I think that's the problem. Robert Kraft is the owner of a franchise. All I heard was about the guaranteed $240 million he didnt deserve... but how much did Mr.Kraft make that he "didn't deserve" and other than a fine, what did he face? Chad Wheeler beat a woman unconscious. Ray Rices' transgressions in that elevator... which one was covered more? 

 

I only highlight these items because this, unfortunately, is the only way they change. Media is powerful, and the perceptions of many can be skewed depending on how they are shaped by the narratives provided. Wrong is wrong...doesn't matter who does it. 

[817 Boxing B]

Rob got greif... Ray lost his career. Dana slapped the dog 💩 outta his wife and got a handshake from Donnie... who we know is the holy grail of Christians today. Craig Hodges handed the president a letter and disappeared. I can't use any black owners from these sports leagues for comparisons... they're aren't any available. I can say with confidence... he definitely would've gotten more than "grief"....🤷🏿‍♂️

[817 Boxing B]

32 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

So far no one has gone to jail. And all of Favre’s misdeeds were or came out after his playing days were over. And, yes, he’s a scumbag too. 
 

I agree... but its also wild that qb is more of the face of the franchise than the guy that pays him...🤣🤣🤦🏿‍♂️

[817 Boxing B]

54 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

I think it has more to do with Tucker being a former Longhorn on a UT message board than race. Just look at the minimum talk/outrage of Brooks DUI arrest where as if that was an Aggie the thread would be far longer ripping Aggie and tons of post about it. 

17 year old kid... he gets a bit of grace, imo... race aside. 

[Oldest Horn]

1 hour ago, 817 Boxing B said:

I agree... but its also wild that qb is more of the face of the franchise than the guy that pays him...🤣🤣🤦🏿‍♂️

Isn't that the case with most franchise/HOF level QBs?

[qaertyisthatdude]

1 hour ago, 817 Boxing B said:

I agree... but its also wild that qb is more of the face of the franchise than the guy that pays him...🤣🤣🤦🏿‍♂️

Because the guy(s) that pay(s) them are not on the field making those plays.  It makes sense.  Most people I know watch these games to watch the players, not the coaches or front office executives (Nico Harrison might have something to say about that though).

[Hashtag]

25 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

Isn't that the case with most franchise/HOF level QBs?

[Sundancekid]

Tucker was from Westlake… right?

  You know, if these guys were more comfortable with themselves as himan beings… they might know better how to respect women… and if they knew that they would probably get more happy endings and less legal problems. 

Edited May 6 by Sundancekid

[Migas & Fajitas]

6 hours ago, 817 Boxing B said:

I agree with most of what you said here, but I'd like to highlight a few things. Yes, Robert Kraft did face some scrutiny, but the level of scrutiny he received, compared to that of a  Kapernik or a DeShaun Watson, isn't comparable, at all.... and I think that's the problem. Robert Kraft is the owner of a franchise. All I heard was about the guaranteed $240 million he didnt deserve... but how much did Mr.Kraft make that he "didn't deserve" and other than a fine, what did he face? Chad Wheeler beat a woman unconscious. Ray Rices' transgressions in that elevator... which one was covered more? 

 

I only highlight these items because this, unfortunately, is the only way they change. Media is powerful, and the perceptions of many can be skewed depending on how they are shaped by the narratives provided. Wrong is wrong...doesn't matter who does it. 

I’m not taking sides on this debate. If anything, I understand and agree with much of what you’ve written. But if you’re going to compare Wheeler and Rice, you are leaving out some facts. Chad Wheeler is in prison; which is where he belongs. What was Rice’s prison sentence?

Edited May 6 by Migas & Fajitas

[WG Carter]

Difference I believe to be true...is Tucker has had no charges or civil suits filed against him, on things that happened 9-11 years ago. In fact, statue of limitations has 3 years ---so it too late to file. I could be wrong, but different facts tha Watson.

 

I admit, I root for all Texas players and am sure I would be quicker to judge if this happened to one of our rivals

 

 

[817 Boxing B]

13 hours ago, Oldest Horn said:

Isn't that the case with most franchise/HOF level QBs?

Yes... but that again, is my point. The media has done a great job of always tilting the ire towards the employees or individuals that earn the checks, and not the creeps that cut them.

[817 Boxing B]

8 hours ago, Migas & Fajitas said:

I’m not taking sides on this debate. If anything, I understand and agree with much of what you’ve written. But if you’re going to compare Wheeler and Rice, you are leaving out some facts. Chad Wheeler is in prison; which is where he belongs. What was Rice’s prison sentence?

He belonged in there, whether his wife wanted to press charges or not... and whether she decided to accept responsibility for her "part"... imo, and that's because I was raised with that belief. My ire comes with the media's selective coverage of the same incidents with different characters. 

[817 Boxing B]

7 hours ago, WG Carter said:

Difference I believe to be true...is Tucker has had no charges or civil suits filed against him, on things that happened 9-11 years ago. In fact, statue of limitations has 3 years ---so it too late to file. I could be wrong, but different facts tha Watson.

 

I admit, I root for all Texas players and am sure I would be quicker to judge if this happened to one of our rivals

 

 

I agree with most of your sentiments and we will see how this Tucker situation pans out. If the man is innocent, I want him to receive all the justice he deserves. The damage that can be done with any accusations such as these are damn near impossible to recover from. I also appreciate your honesty about who it happens to, and your ire or pleasure in regards to the individual involved. We're all human, and I appreciate our differences.

[817 Boxing B]

12 hours ago, Sundancekid said:

Tucker was from Westlake… right?

  You know, if these guys were more comfortable with themselves as himan beings… they might know better how to respect women… and if they knew that they would probably get more happy endings and less legal problems. 

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[817 Boxing B]

13 hours ago, qaertyisthatdude said:

Because the guy(s) that pay(s) them are not on the field making those plays.  It makes sense.  Most people I know watch these games to watch the players, not the coaches or front office executives (Nico Harrison might have something to say about that though).

Facts... and while we watch for the players, those billionaires have a lot of influence and responsibility, and their code of conduct seems to fall under a different category. It's societies' comfortability with such low standards that boggles me... that's all.