A question for Mods

[Dread-headed Texan]

So a lot was made about Arch's mechanics after game one, most of which I think is overblown. What I saw and continue to see is Arch seeing it late and letting it rip using upper body strength. Whereas with Quinn, who didn't have the arm strength of Arch would drop his eyes and take a sack. So my question is, how or what is Sark doing to confuse Arch so it helps him down the road? The reason I ask is maybe not so much with UGA who confuses blocking schemes more than they try to confuse qbs, Oklahoma will be able to replicate or mimic a lot of what Ohio State did. BV scheme won't include NFL principles or high level route matching, but it is complicated enough and always has a guy you never expected to be where you didn't expect him to be, to confuse Arch. A confused Arch is a rushed Arch and I'm not in a hurry to ever see that Arch again.

[DanielOnorato]

Not a mod but my two cents.

The staff limited some of Quinns footwork/mobility limitations by having him in pistol or gun a lot and playing to his strengths with rpo's, quick passes and motioning the rb into and out of the backfield to identify coverages. They utilized his short and intermediate passing to get playmakers the ball in a position to run. Short anticipatory throws became Quinns best asset.

Arch improved in game 2 but is still having issues with his feet as he's spreading too far at times and rather than gathering and driving the ball he's throwing off balance causing inaccuracy. I personally think it's just adjusting to game speed, timing and getting experience. Some of the bad mechanics like you said were due to late recognition and then rushing to make up for what he saw late. Even his touchdown to Endries in the seam was a little bit late, thankfully it was the parting of the red sea.

All in all I think Arch is going to improve at an incredibly fast rate as the season goes on, just needs to keep gaining rapport with his guys and getting more reps. He seems to be a slow starter that once he adjusts to the speed does great. Hopefully he can come out of the gates firing more often the rest of the year.

[Dread-headed Texan]

2 minutes ago, DanielOnorato said:

Not a mod but my two cents.

The staff limited some of Quinns footwork/mobility limitations by having him in pistol or gun a lot and playing to his strengths with rpo's, quick passes and motioning the rb into and out of the backfield to identify coverages. They utilized his short and intermediate passing to get playmakers the ball in a position to run. Short anticipatory throws became Quinns best asset.

Arch improved in game 2 but is still having issues with his feet as he's spreading too far at times and rather than gathering and driving the ball he's throwing off balance causing inaccuracy. I personally think it's just adjusting to game speed, timing and getting experience. Some of the bad mechanics like you said were due to late recognition and then rushing to make up for what he saw late. Even his touchdown to Endries in the seam was a little bit late, thankfully it was the parting of the red sea.

All in all I think Arch is going to improve at an incredibly fast rate as the season goes on, just needs to keep gaining rapport with his guys and getting more reps. He seems to be a slow starter that once he adjusts to the speed does great. Hopefully he can come out of the gates firing more often the rest of the year.

Lol it's an open discussion, football is my passion, I don't know more than anyone else but we all don't see it the same. The more opinions or people who engage in the conversation, the better. The reason I asked the mods, is because they talk to insiders or have seen a portion of practice. If we can see the issue, I'm sure Sark and staff can see it too. I wanted to know what are they doing to speed up his feet and eyes. 

[harveycmd]

4 minutes ago, Dread-headed Texan said:

Lol it's an open discussion, football is my passion, I don't know more than anyone else but we all don't see it the same. The more opinions or people who engage in the conversation, the better. The reason I asked the mods, is because they talk to insiders or have seen a portion of practice. If we can see the issue, I'm sure Sark and staff can see it too. I wanted to know what are they doing to speed up his feet and eyes. 

Arch improved his mechanics dramatically from week one to week two. In his extended action last year, he was fundamentally sound. The worry seems to be that he hasn't just rolled out there and looked great consistently. 

[Dread-headed Texan]

1 minute ago, harveycmd said:

Arch improved his mechanics dramatically from week one to week two. In his extended action last year, he was fundamentally sound. The worry seems to be that he hasn't just rolled out there and looked great consistently. 

But that's just it, or at least in my opinion, the game speed was much slower because of the competition and less complex defense. I'm not worried about his mechanics, he's a Manning, I think speeding up his processing will "fix" his mechanics. 

[CJ Vogel]

Fundamentals for Arch will improve the more he feels comfortable in the pocket. That was the case from week 1 to week 2, like @harveycmd mentioned.

Arch was definitely rattled on the road against Ohio State, and again, I will die by the assertion that he was expecting a Georgia-like front seven with constant pressure which just never came.

Fundamentals for Arch will never be pure, that's what comes with his mobility and arm strength. He can get away with a lot due to the arm talent. But the pocket technique is whe you will continue to see improvement as long as he is feeling comfortable in the pocket. It will take steps forward each week of the season. 

[harveycmd]

2 minutes ago, Dread-headed Texan said:

But that's just it, or at least in my opinion, the game speed was much slower because of the competition and less complex defense. I'm not worried about his mechanics, he's a Manning, I think speeding up his processing will "fix" his mechanics. 

I'm not seeing the lack of speed or read problems others are talking about. Every young QB has that from time to time. Best I could tell, Arch had three or four misreads and a couple of late throws. That's not a problem at this point. 

[Dread-headed Texan]

2 minutes ago, CJ Vogel said:

Fundamentals for Arch will improve the more he feels comfortable in the pocket. That was the case from week 1 to week 2, like @harveycmd mentioned.

Arch was definitely rattled on the road against Ohio State, and again, I will die by the assertion that he was expecting a Georgia-like front seven with constant pressure which just never came.

Fundamentals for Arch will never be pure, that's what comes with his mobility and arm strength. He can get away with a lot due to the arm talent. But the pocket technique is whe you will continue to see improvement as long as he is feeling comfortable in the pocket. It will take steps forward each week of the season. 

It's true when you say the pocket technique will continue to improve with comfort in the pocket, we have data to support that theory, with the 4th quarter of the OSU game being night and day from the 1st three. I read reports from Buckeye insiders that in order to get Sayin ready for Texas, they went live with him for a couple of practices. It's risky, but do you think that is something Sark would try? It worked, because Sayin never looked rattled, and managed the game well enough to win. 

[Hashtag]

8 minutes ago, CJ Vogel said:

Fundamentals for Arch will improve the more he feels comfortable in the pocket.

IMO he’s already really good in the pocket and navigating it, so much so that he’s making the OL appear better than they are. His problems are he’s not understanding the concepts and routes as well as he should with a defense that is being called to stop him. So he’s throwing late due to that and when he throws late he doesn’t use proper mechanics and getting his feet in the right direction needed. He needs to understand the offense better within the scope of the game with his reads and knowing where receivers need to be vs what he’s seeing on defense 

Edited 4 hours ago by Hashtag

[harveycmd]

6 minutes ago, Dread-headed Texan said:

It's true when you say the pocket technique will continue to improve with comfort in the pocket, we have data to support that theory, with the 4th quarter of the OSU game being night and day from the 1st three. I read reports from Buckeye insiders that in order to get Sayin ready for Texas, they went live with him for a couple of practices. It's risky, but do you think that is something Sark would try? It worked, because Sayin never looked rattled, and managed the game well enough to win. 

Sayin wasn't asked to do anything in the pass game. It worked because we made enough mistakes to give them a TD. On the offensive side, it took Arch a while to settle in. I don't think there's anything to extrapolate beyond that. 

[Bobby Burton]

FWIW his sack avoidance number, according to PFF, this season is far superior to Quinn’s number. 

[CJ Vogel]

11 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

IMO he’s already really good in the pocket and navigating it, so much so that he’s making the OL appear better than they are. His problems are he’s not understanding the concepts and routes as well as he should with a defense that is being called to stop him. So he’s throwing late due to that and when he throws late he doesn’t use proper mechanics and getting his feet in the right direction needed. He needs to understand the offense better within the scope of the game with his reads and knowing where receivers need to be vs what he’s seeing on defense 

There have been multiple times where a breaking route down the field comes open where Arch is already checking down to a RB in the flats. That to me is his internal clock telling him he is under pressure when he is not. In translation, that means he does not trust his offensive line... yet.

[Joe Zura]

6 minutes ago, Bobby Burton said:

FWIW his sack avoidance number, according to PFF, this season is far superior to Quinn’s number. 

Don’t you dare mention Quinn on this board 😭

[Robert Gilbert]

22 minutes ago, Joe Zura said:

Don’t you dare mention Quinn on this board 😭

I am sure this was said in jest, and I get that. However, from the time Colt graduated till Quinn started his first game, I cannot think of a QB I would take over Quinn. Sam would be the closest but I would still go with Quinn. 

[Red Five]

17 minutes ago, Robert Gilbert said:

I am sure this was said in jest, and I get that. However, from the time Colt graduated till Quinn started his first game, I cannot think of a QB I would take over Quinn. Sam would be the closest but I would still go with Quinn. 

Most "damning with faint praise" thing I've ever seen. 

[Burnt Orange Horn]

47 minutes ago, CJ Vogel said:

There have been multiple times where a breaking route down the field comes open where Arch is already checking down to a RB in the flats. That to me is his internal clock telling him he is under pressure when he is not. In translation, that means he does not trust his offensive line... yet.

Scanning after every snap is a progression until an open receiver in the sequence is found or all receivers are accounted.

[Dread-headed Texan]

52 minutes ago, CJ Vogel said:

There have been multiple times where a breaking route down the field comes open where Arch is already checking down to a RB in the flats. That to me is his internal clock telling him he is under pressure when he is not. In translation, that means he does not trust his offensive line... yet.

I don't remember multiple from last week, I do remember the most egregious one where I think it Endries coming open from left to right and he had two different windows to let it go but decided hitting Baxter on the checkdown was better.