Babying a "Year 4" QB

[ChanmanV]

When it comes to success, your playcaller and QB coach should put your QB in the best position to succeed. But with if your QB is deficient mentally during games? Why are we trying so hard to make something work that obviously doesn't fit?

Right now Arch and Sark are a square peg in a round hole. It's hurting Sark, Arch, and the team. Something has to give but I'd prefer seeing how much Lacey can handle Sark's offense over some Tebow like ugly offense that would likely result in Arch getting hurt anyways. If Lacey is accurate and makes quicker decision, we can run at least 75% of Sark's offense. Right now I think Arch only fits about 25-30% of it. 

Though I don't disagree with Sark receiving a lot of the play calling blame, I think there's a limit to "dumbing down" the offense that crosses the line of "you don't have a quality QB" and I feel like we are there with Arch Manning. If he doesn't even use his hot routes or dump offs, how much of the playbook do we really want the playbook to be reduced just to make a said player the QB? 

Sark makes the big bucks. He needs to start making tough decisions that warrant that salary and stop looking like his hands are tied. 

Edited 4 hours ago by ChanmanV

[Andrew Scott]

Let’s face it. Sark isn’t smart. He is a good play caller with Saban’s 5 star OL and skill guys. He is stubborn to a fault and my call is this offseason he and CDC will sit down and Sark won’t do what is asked of him and it will end bad. 

[ChanmanV]

1 minute ago, Andrew Scott said:

Let’s face it. Sark isn’t smart. He is a good play caller with Saban’s 5 star OL and skill guys. He is stubborn to a fault and my call is this offseason he and CDC will sit down and Sark won’t do what is asked of him and it will end bad. 

To be fair, we need to start judging Sark by recency and not continue to think of him when he was Bama 7-8 years ago now. Jimbo Fisher was a good caller at one point too. Offenses revolutionize every year and a lot of people have copied the good parts of Sark's offense already so I don't know that he's "cutting edge" any more. That said, Arch and that OL don't allow him to maximize his scheme either. If Arch played for that Bama team, they'd have just as much problems except Saban would force Sark to bench him. 

[Gerry Hamilton]

Bad QB play has resulted in many a coach getting fired ... Sark your up. What you going to do?

[NTX_Horn]

1 minute ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Bad QB play has resulted in many a coach getting fired ... Sark your up. What you going to do?

Would Lacey open up more of the playbook?  It’s clear Arch isn’t keen on running much, so playbook is limited on keeping defenses guessing with Arch’s legs.  

[Roy Hinojosa]

I still believe Caldwell last year could have had a Chambliss like season if Sark didn't have the Arch golden handcuffs.

[Horns91]

9 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Bad QB play has resulted in many a coach getting fired ... Sark your up. What you going to do?

Agree 1000%. If you can bench Quinn for a series in a big game you can bench Arch. Let him sit on the sidelines and gather himself too. Trying to get Arch ready for the NFL and being stubborn is hurting this team. 

[Alex Butler]

5 minutes ago, Horns91 said:

Agree 1000%. If you can bench Quinn for a series in a big game you can bench Arch. Let him sit on the sidelines and gather himself too. Trying to get Arch ready for the NFL and being stubborn is hurting this team. 

Yup, I think you have to bench him if nothing else to evaluate if your offense is truly broken or Arch just isn’t fitting the system. It’s hard. Hes got a ton of gifts and is a really good kid. Unfortunately, he just may not be the best QB for UT and Sark isn’t the best QB coach for him. I’d rather admit that and part amicably than have fans turn on him like Simms. 

[f1revo]

18 minutes ago, NTX_Horn said:

Would Lacey open up more of the playbook?  It’s clear Arch isn’t keen on running much, so playbook is limited on keeping defenses guessing with Arch’s legs.  

I doubt he has much arm strength for deep ahit hunting Sark loves. Offense would probably look more like when Ewers played, but you'd hope for more athleticism on the pocket than that.

[Alex Butler]

22 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Bad QB play has resulted in many a coach getting fired ... Sark your up. What you going to do?

Gotta fake an injury

[HawkDriver]

3 minutes ago, Alex Butler said:

Yup, I think you have to bench him if nothing else to evaluate if your offense is truly broken or Arch just isn’t fitting the system. It’s hard. Hes got a ton of gifts and is a really good kid. Unfortunately, he just may not be the best QB for UT and Sark isn’t the best QB coach for him. I’d rather admit that and part amicably than have fans turn on him like Simms. 

I was just fixing to say the same.  How do you know?  Wouldn’t that be in the first 5 moves of trouble shooting the offense?  Let’s assume before today we were at least 2-3 moves in 😂

[Alex Butler]

2 minutes ago, f1revo said:

I doubt he has much arm strength for deep ahit hunting Sark loves. Offense would probably look more like when Ewers played, but you'd hope for more athleticism on the pocket than that.

We were putting up 35-39 points per game with Quinn. We haven’t score over 24 against teams with a pulse this year. 

[Hookem72]

It would be nice if we decided to incorporate the middle of the field in the passing game.   Just saying.   I do not recall any 5-10 yard crossers at all in the last 3 games.  Maybe they were there, but I don’t see them.  Seems like we exclusively run routes outside the hashes to the boundary.  

[HawkDriver]

1 minute ago, Hookem72 said:

It would be nice if we decided to incorporate the middle of the field in the passing game.   Just saying.   I do not recall any 5-10 yard crossers at all in the last 3 games.  Maybe they were there, but I don’t see them.  Seems like we exclusively run routes outside the hashes to the boundary.  

I really don’t think Arch can hit those, he needs throws he can rip.  Way too much touch and pacing required.  Quinn specialty by the way

[f1revo]

13 minutes ago, Alex Butler said:

We were putting up 35-39 points per game with Quinn. We haven’t score over 24 against teams with a pulse this year. 

No doubt, im just talking style wise it would need to change to short/intermediate routes much more than the downfield bomb stuff we run right now.

[ChanmanV]

1 hour ago, NTX_Horn said:

Would Lacey open up more of the playbook?  It’s clear Arch isn’t keen on running much, so playbook is limited on keeping defenses guessing with Arch’s legs.  

From the limited time I've seen Lacey play and what people say about him, he's accurate and he makes quick decisions (good or bad). That's already a big upgrade from Arch right now. On top of that, he's more adept at midrange and short throws vs the deep throw (opposite of Arch), which most of Sark's office lives in that space. 

[Brho]

2 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Bad QB play has resulted in many a coach getting fired ... Sark your up. What you going to do?

Gerry if KJ gets an opportunity what should we expect ? He seems like a kid that will get the ball out quickly right ? 

[TheRoJoShow]

1 hour ago, f1revo said:

I doubt he has much arm strength for deep ahit hunting Sark loves. Offense would probably look more like when Ewers played, but you'd hope for more athleticism on the pocket than that.

Quinn with more athleticism is the perfect prototype for this offense. All we need is someone who keeps us on schedule and isn’t a statue like Quinn was. 

Edited 1 hour ago by TheRoJoShow

[Jordan91]

1 hour ago, Alex Butler said:

Yup, I think you have to bench him if nothing else to evaluate if your offense is truly broken or Arch just isn’t fitting the system. It’s hard. Hes got a ton of gifts and is a really good kid. Unfortunately, he just may not be the best QB for UT and Sark isn’t the best QB coach for him. I’d rather admit that and part amicably than have fans turn on him like Simms. 

What gifts does he have? We have had strong arm quarterbacks before. We have had quarterbacks that can run. Arch is not accurate, he can’t see the field or handle a blitz. Quite certain the NFL is seeing that. 

[ChanmanV]

4 minutes ago, TheRoJoShow said:

Quinn with more athleticism is the perfect prototype for this offense. All we need is someone who keeps us on schedule and isn’t a statue like Quinn was. 

*Ahem* KJ Lacey

[ChanmanV]

2 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

What gifts does he have? We have had strong arm quarterbacks before. We have had quarterbacks that can run. Arch is not accurate, he can’t see the field or handle a blitz. Quite certain the NFL is seeing that. 

Yes Kiper still has him at the end of the 1st round which is insane. Just think about how hard he would struggle in the NFL given the struggles here. 

[TheRoJoShow]

Freakin Bear Bachmaier is better than arch 

[HalfmileHorn]

Best to play our best players, always. That should be rule 1. When in doubt, see rule 1. Our best players right now are not always seeing the field and have limited snaps. I like Arch, and it's been novel for me, I watched his grandpa play with a broken arm in the Gator bowl - no I don't really want to say what year that is. AM is more like his grandpa than his uncles.

But I've seen a lot of bs in my time, and I've seen us take a monster-dump in the middle of the bed more times than I care to recall. You can't reserve a position for any player and pretend you're having a real competition. And coaches that aren't willing to look in the mirror don't help matters.

Imho, we're easing into a downhill slide and I'm not sure I'll be around to see us climb out of another one. 

[Horns91]

2 hours ago, f1revo said:

I doubt he has much arm strength for deep ahit hunting Sark loves. Offense would probably look more like when Ewers played, but you'd hope for more athleticism on the pocket than that.

I thought Sark only signs kids who can make all the throws. Right now our deep ball % is not very good. Layups and free throws are higher percentages than half court shots

[Joe D Villasenor]

Doesn’t matter who is at QB if your center keeps letting an untouched rusher straight into the backfield