Quinn Ewers in the red zone vs. Georgia Saturday

[Bobby_Batronic]

7 hours ago, closetojumping said:

The simple answer is “no”. If he coulda, he woulda. 

Also, fade routes are nothing more than vanity play calls for an OC. Just thinking they’re creating art. It’s stupid. Sarkisian needs to never call one again. They are the lowest percentage pass plays in the book. 

They’re also about the safest passes he can call. Football coaches are manic with their trust issues, and it’s clear that Sark doesn’t particularly trust QE to settle and read the scrum in the compressed field. We’re always running some sprint out pass or whip route when we ask Quinn to throw close to the goal line. Or maybe one of the basic goalie PA passes to the TE.  We’re certainly not calling mesh and hoping he ticks his way through 5 options. 

[Hashtag]

7 hours ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

They’re also about the safest passes he can call. Football coaches are manic with their trust issues, and it’s clear that Sark doesn’t particularly trust QE to settle and read the scrum in the compressed field. We’re always running some sprint out pass or whip route when we ask Quinn to throw close to the goal line. Or maybe one of the basic goalie PA passes to the TE.  We’re certainly not calling mesh and hoping he ticks his way through 5 options. 

It’s because Quinn is a 1 read QB 

[Nathan Larson]

Got to have a better run game in the redzone. I don't care if it's wrs or rbs or qbs. Therefore the PA passes will be there and also more spacing on the secondary because of the real threat of a run game.I can't say it's all on the offensive line issues if you can't keep a defense off balance it's not going to help.

But on the flip side you need to know the other teams tendencies and in the redzone and attack it that way too. Like when the games on the line late Georgia will always bring the house that's a tendency they should have just went with a little short slant because the middle was open most of the game probably been another score. 

[Orngblud05]

This OP is like a CNN story. Technically true but severely lacking context.  3 red zone drives in the first half (that I recall). One offensive PI - 1st and a mile. One hold - 1st and a mile. One missed field goal.  Yes there was an almost pick, but it wasn’t.  The other things actually happened, yet we don’t call any of that out??

[Hashtag]

35 minutes ago, Orngblud05 said:

This OP is like a CNN story. Technically true but severely lacking context.  3 red zone drives in the first half (that I recall). One offensive PI - 1st and a mile. One hold - 1st and a mile. One missed field goal.  Yes there was an almost pick, but it wasn’t.  The other things actually happened, yet we don’t call any of that out??

Quinn is what he is at this point though. We have his entire time at Texas save a handful of games where he is just absolutely dreadful in the red zone regardless of positive or negatives once we enter there. We were in the bottom 1/4 of teams last season in red zone efficiency and over the back half of this season I'd imagine we were the same. 

[Orngblud05]

10 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Quinn is what he is at this point though. We have his entire time at Texas save a handful of games where he is just absolutely dreadful in the red zone regardless of positive or negatives once we enter there. We were in the bottom 1/4 of teams last season in red zone efficiency and over the back half of this season I'd imagine we were the same. 

It’s the nature of the position. I get it.  I know I sound like a Quinn apologist and maybe I am, but how different is that game, and his performance, if those other things don’t happen?  He LIT up Georgia in the first half but had nothing to show for it? Why?  Bc he can’t complete a pass in the red zone?  Or is it bc the team around him continues putting him in really bad situations?

[Hashtag]

1 minute ago, Orngblud05 said:

It’s the nature of the position. I get it.  I know I sound like a Quinn apologist and maybe I am, but how different is that game, and his performance, if those other things don’t happen?  He LIT up Georgia in the first half but had nothing to show for it? Why?  Bc he can’t complete a pass in the red zone?  Or is it bc the team around him continues putting him in really bad situations?

It's a combination of stuff but he misses a lot of throws in the endzones and redzone because he tries to throw to spots on floaters. The only time he uses his arm IMO are on 1 read designed throws to receivers on whips our outs. You watch a lot of football and you see QBs always threading needles with arm strength in tight windows to get touchdowns. I just think if he doesn't have his first read in the redzone he doesn't know what to do. I think he severely lacks processing power needed to be a really good QB.

[Neil Leininger]

What outside people think of Quinn Ewers. Bascially sums it up very well.

 

[Treston Marshall]

On 12/8/2024 at 7:52 AM, Gerry Hamilton said:

That's kind of my question ... if it's perfect OL play and and comfortable then sure ... but in the scenario where Quinn HAS to make a play when things aren't perfect and comfortable ... will he? 

Because IMO, that point and time are going to happen again. 

I hope he does. 

Think Quinn goes pro this year Gerry? Some have said he will transfer somewhere else after the season.

Edited December 9 by Treston Marshall

[Bobby_Batronic]

4 hours ago, Hashtag said:

It’s because Quinn is a 1 read QB 

That was the implication.

[Dolphorn]

Yes Quinn can do it, unless we meet Georgia again in finals, then it’s tough. The only D in the playoffs as good as the Bulldogs is Texas. 

[Hashtag]

10 minutes ago, Dolphorn said:

Yes Quinn can do it, unless we meet Georgia again in finals, then it’s tough. The only D in the playoffs as good as the Bulldogs is Texas. 

 

Playoff Seed - Team - Defensive FEI Rank

1. Oregon - 15
2. Georgia - 13
3. Boise St - 30
4. Arizona St - 34
5. Texas - 1
6. Penn St - 12
7. Notre Dame - 2
8. Ohio St - 3
9. Tennessee - 4
10. Indiana - 19
11. SMU - 10
12. Clemson - 23


Just in our side of the bracket alone we have the potential to play the 3rd, 4th, and 15th best defenses in the country. We will face Clemson who is a top 25 defense in the country as well. As you can tell from the above, every team in the playoff plays really good with Boise St(30) and Arizona St(34) being the lowest ranked defensive FEI teams. 

Clemson is very strong on the interior and across the front of their defense. That could present problems.

 

At some point we will have to play better on offense because you can't solely rely on one side of the ball in a playoff. We will run into a team we will have to outscore.

[HornsUpThumbsDown]

9 hours ago, Neil Leininger said:

What outside people think of Quinn Ewers. Bascially sums it up very well.

 

Easy narrative to blame 1 person… listen to this analysis. 

 

[JCrofford]

On 12/8/2024 at 7:52 AM, Gerry Hamilton said:

That's kind of my question ... if it's perfect OL play and and comfortable then sure ... but in the scenario where Quinn HAS to make a play when things aren't perfect and comfortable ... will he? 

Because IMO, that point and time are going to happen again. 

I hope he does. 

I like Quinn but he's just doesn't have "it", at least not since coming back from injury. His lack of mobility in and outside the pocket is hard to watch. Then moving the wrong way in the pocket and helping to get himself sacked, it's maddening. Sure he makes a few good plays a game, and he'll probably get us wins the first two rounds. But after that, if he doesn't improve, it'll be a tough road.

[horns96]

On 12/8/2024 at 7:40 AM, Gerry Hamilton said:

Quinn Ewers in the red zone vs. Georgia Saturday 

2 of 10 for 5 yards. Also had an INT flat out dropped. 

Texas is going to need Quinn to make a big play for the team in red zone in the CFP if they are to make a NC run. I mean a late game, have to have it to stay alive type situation. 

My question to the board ...

Can he or will he do it?

I hope he does.

@Bobby Burton, can we get some OTF merch that reads-

“With friends like

@Gerry Hamilton,

who needs 

Aggies?”

I’m down for a dozen coffee mugs!

[harveycmd]

16 minutes ago, JCrofford said:

I like Quinn but he's just doesn't have "it", at least not since coming back from injury. His lack of mobility in and outside the pocket is hard to watch. Then moving the wrong way in the pocket and helping to get himself sacked, it's maddening. Sure he makes a few good plays a game, and he'll probably get us wins the first two rounds. But after that, if he doesn't improve, it'll be a tough road.

Quinn produces more than almost everyone else. That's what Sark is looking at. He's not worried about "it." Maybe Arch would produce more, but Sark obviously isn't convinced, otherwise he'd switch.

[4thandFive]

Surely the play calling can change in the RZ. Sark has to adapt to Quinn’s deficiencies. Keeping him in and boosting his draft stock does him NO good if you keep asking him to do things he can’t do. 

[marathon]

1 hour ago, 4thandFive said:

Surely the play calling can change in the RZ. Sark has to adapt to Quinn’s deficiencies. Keeping him in and boosting his draft stock does him NO good if you keep asking him to do things he can’t do. 

Not sure how Sark calls a play any easier for a QB than this. I posted this play before. Golden starts on the right side & was wide open underneath for a first down on the left side of the field but Ewers threw into double coverage and the DB dropped an easy INT. Looks like Sark is frustrated by Ewers decision.

Sark can’t make Ewers throw to the wide open receiver instead of double coverage.

 

 

[Neil Leininger]

Sarkisian's body language and expressions during games are his true feelings about his QB, not what he says in post game interviews. He knows Quinn is making wrong reads more often than not.

Edited December 10 by Neil Leininger

[Burnt Orange Horn]

On 12/9/2024 at 5:38 AM, Hashtag said:

It’s because Quinn is a 1 read QB 

Not this year.  He usually gets to 3.  But some passes seem to be pre determined.

[Lavalulu]

On 12/8/2024 at 6:09 AM, Bobby Burton said:

Context matters. Texas turned heavily to the run in all of those games because they were up.

And I had no problem with it.

The primary difference this week was the run game was nowhere to be found.

Quinn had at least three throws to the end zone that could have won that game for Texas. He didn’t connect on them. He has to be better.

This is where I feel Arch should have been weaponized vs. Georgia.  If Georgia defense and Texas offense are a bad matchup, why didn’t Sark use Arch who loves to pass the ball?
 

Georgia in quarter 3 and 4 beating the Texas Oline and had figured out how to attack Texas run.  Playing Arch especially in 3rd quarter would’ve been a genius play call by Sark.

I’m only saying this vs Georgia…deploying Arch against other teams may actually not be needed IMHO

Edited December 11 by Lavalulu

[Neil Leininger]

1 hour ago, Lavalulu said:

This is where I feel Arch should have been weaponized vs. Georgia.  If Georgia defense and Texas offense are a bad matchup, why didn’t Sark use Arch who loves to pass the ball?
 

Georgia in quarter 3 and 4 beating the Texas Oline and had figured out how to attack Texas run.  Playing Arch especially in 3rd quarter would’ve been a genius play call by Sark.

I’m only saying this vs Georgia…deploying Arch against other teams may actually not be needed IMHO

He's need in the RZ moving forward because Quinn just can't do it. Arch at a minimum can present a run threat and make the defense have to account for the extra body. Quinn is a statue that falls down because his footwork is so sloppy, so defenders don't have to worry about leaving their rush lanes.

[pack.swear]

Gerry, you're not wrong at all, but it's not like Sark was helping much. 

 

• 2nd & 5 at UGA 19

  (4:50 - 2nd) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to Quintrevion Wisner
  
  Georgia runs man, Texas is running the post/crosser with Helm, a dagger concept to the field?, and a wheel with Wisner, and it's totally sniffed out, and Georgia gets immediate pressure on a really slow developing play. 

• 3rd & 5 at UGA 19

  (4:45 - 2nd) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to DeAndre Moore Jr.
  
  This is terrible from Quinn, not only hesitates but then underthrowns it tragically and is lucky it's not taken back for 6. Georgia looks like they're in cover 7 MOD; late crossers always beat MOD because the strong APEX has to take the flat, which means that the weak apex has to follow a WR on a crosser, which is why Golden was open. It's a really bad read by Quinn. 
   

• 1st & 10 at UGA 14

  (0:29 - 4th) Quinn Ewers sacked by Mykel Williams for a loss of 5 yards to the UGA 19
  
  This is another example of playcall. They try and fake the quick screen, then the swing screen, and hit Helm on the leak; Georgia has it covered, and 3 guys in the backfield. Ewers should try it away, but Sark isn't calling winners here. 
   

• 2nd & 15 at UGA 19

  (0:24 - 4th) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to Ryan Wingo
  
  Not a great throw, but I'd imagine on a fade route, Wingo should have been attacking outside leverage, and he got stuck on the outside. It's not a great route, and Ewers makes a bad throw. Bit of blame on both guys, but I get putting more of it on Ewers. 

• 3rd & 15 at UGA 19

  (0:22 - 4th) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to Ryan Wingo
  
  Wingo drop, but a screen play on 3&15 isn't going for the win. 

• 2nd & 5 at UGA 20

  (OT) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to Jaydon Blue
  
  Georgia is in 4 man, and again, nobody open. Georgia teaches their backers in 4 man to play with over the top leverage, so Blue on the wheel isn't open, and then Wingo is bracketed on the deep cross, and Golden runs a curl, but it's got a corner poaching on it. Mykel Williams gets pressure again. I don't know how many QBs are breaking out of a Williams sack, so I'm not sure what we expect from Quinn here. 

• 3rd & 5 at UGA 20

  (OT) Quinn Ewers pass complete to Ryan Wingo for 6 yds to the UGA 14 for a 1ST down
  
  Really tight window throw on a slant. It's a perfect ball, and again, something that Sark should have called more. Georgia immediately after Golden beat them twice vertically, started playing guys with outside leverage, and I was disappointed there weren't more slants ran because the leverage was there. Now, I do get that Georgia had hook defenders at times, but the number of times Texas ran crossers or hooks that took them away meant that slants should and would have been very effective (see Bolden's 20-yard catch through a slant).

• 1st & 10 at UGA 14

  (OT) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to Matthew Golden
  
  Again, I can't understand running a corner route against outside leverage. Georgia's corners kept doing this, and it made no sense to call a corner route against it. Georgia was in clamp coverage, which means that their #1 corner is taking outside leverage against Golden and playing man, because he has bracket help inside from the safety who's playing a deep quarter. The only thing you can say about this play is that Quinn should have checked it down because Wisner has a ton of space. Bad route concept and bad decision. 

• 2nd & 10 at UGA 14

  (OT) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to DeAndre Moore Jr.
  
  I hated this concept. Ran two crossers and a slant over the middle of the field, and then a slot fade to the field, when you're asking Ewers to throw it basically from the far hash. It's not a great throw because it actually takes Moore from the back pylon back to the front pylon, but again, it's a low % play. Even if Ewers gets to the other read, Golden is being stacked on top because Helm is running basically on the same level, meaning there are two defenders there, and Wingo is running into the space. Now, if the play develops, maybe Golden or Helm is open, but it's a poorly executed levels concept because Helm is 2 yards behind Golden. 

• 3rd & 10 at UGA 14

  (OT) Timeout Texas, clock 00:00

• 3rd & 10 at UGA 14

  (OT) Quinn Ewers pass complete to Quintrevion Wisner for a loss of 1 yard to the UGA 15
  
  Again, I don't understand running this route. All game Georgia had shown they were tackling really well in space. Running this with Wisner made no sense; he's not an elusive guy. 
  
  Ewers could have made a play or two, and that would have made the difference, but I put much more blame on really poor playcalling. Running routes into bad leverage, and low % plays before bashing your head into a wall is what I would Sark was doing, and that's not putting Ewers in a position to win the game. 
  
  Georgia only plays three coverages in the red zone, MOD, CLAMP, and 4 man, and all of them have the outside corners effectively playing outside leverage man, which means run inside routes with #1 receivers are open. Texas did almost none of this in the red zone, and that's on Sark. 
   

Edited December 11 by pack.swear

[Hashtag]

6 hours ago, pack.swear said:

Gerry, you're not wrong at all, but it's not like Sark was helping much. 

 

• 2nd & 5 at UGA 19

  (4:50 - 2nd) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to Quintrevion Wisner
  
  Georgia runs man, Texas is running the post/crosser with Helm, a dagger concept to the field?, and a wheel with Wisner, and it's totally sniffed out, and Georgia gets immediate pressure on a really slow developing play. 

• 3rd & 5 at UGA 19

  (4:45 - 2nd) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to DeAndre Moore Jr.
  
  This is terrible from Quinn, not only hesitates but then underthrowns it tragically and is lucky it's not taken back for 6. Georgia looks like they're in cover 7 MOD; late crossers always beat MOD because the strong APEX has to take the flat, which means that the weak apex has to follow a WR on a crosser, which is why Golden was open. It's a really bad read by Quinn. 
   

• 1st & 10 at UGA 14

  (0:29 - 4th) Quinn Ewers sacked by Mykel Williams for a loss of 5 yards to the UGA 19
  
  This is another example of playcall. They try and fake the quick screen, then the swing screen, and hit Helm on the leak; Georgia has it covered, and 3 guys in the backfield. Ewers should try it away, but Sark isn't calling winners here. 
   

• 2nd & 15 at UGA 19

  (0:24 - 4th) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to Ryan Wingo
  
  Not a great throw, but I'd imagine on a fade route, Wingo should have been attacking outside leverage, and he got stuck on the outside. It's not a great route, and Ewers makes a bad throw. Bit of blame on both guys, but I get putting more of it on Ewers. 

• 3rd & 15 at UGA 19

  (0:22 - 4th) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to Ryan Wingo
  
  Wingo drop, but a screen play on 3&15 isn't going for the win. 

• 2nd & 5 at UGA 20

  (OT) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to Jaydon Blue
  
  Georgia is in 4 man, and again, nobody open. Georgia teaches their backers in 4 man to play with over the top leverage, so Blue on the wheel isn't open, and then Wingo is bracketed on the deep cross, and Golden runs a curl, but it's got a corner poaching on it. Mykel Williams gets pressure again. I don't know how many QBs are breaking out of a Williams sack, so I'm not sure what we expect from Quinn here. 

• 3rd & 5 at UGA 20

  (OT) Quinn Ewers pass complete to Ryan Wingo for 6 yds to the UGA 14 for a 1ST down
  
  Really tight window throw on a slant. It's a perfect ball, and again, something that Sark should have called more. Georgia immediately after Golden beat them twice vertically, started playing guys with outside leverage, and I was disappointed there weren't more slants ran because the leverage was there. Now, I do get that Georgia had hook defenders at times, but the number of times Texas ran crossers or hooks that took them away meant that slants should and would have been very effective (see Bolden's 20-yard catch through a slant).

• 1st & 10 at UGA 14

  (OT) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to Matthew Golden
  
  Again, I can't understand running a corner route against outside leverage. Georgia's corners kept doing this, and it made no sense to call a corner route against it. Georgia was in clamp coverage, which means that their #1 corner is taking outside leverage against Golden and playing man, because he has bracket help inside from the safety who's playing a deep quarter. The only thing you can say about this play is that Quinn should have checked it down because Wisner has a ton of space. Bad route concept and bad decision. 

• 2nd & 10 at UGA 14

  (OT) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to DeAndre Moore Jr.
  
  I hated this concept. Ran two crossers and a slant over the middle of the field, and then a slot fade to the field, when you're asking Ewers to throw it basically from the far hash. It's not a great throw because it actually takes Moore from the back pylon back to the front pylon, but again, it's a low % play. Even if Ewers gets to the other read, Golden is being stacked on top because Helm is running basically on the same level, meaning there are two defenders there, and Wingo is running into the space. Now, if the play develops, maybe Golden or Helm is open, but it's a poorly executed levels concept because Helm is 2 yards behind Golden. 

• 3rd & 10 at UGA 14

  (OT) Timeout Texas, clock 00:00

• 3rd & 10 at UGA 14

  (OT) Quinn Ewers pass complete to Quintrevion Wisner for a loss of 1 yard to the UGA 15
  
  Again, I don't understand running this route. All game Georgia had shown they were tackling really well in space. Running this with Wisner made no sense; he's not an elusive guy. 
  
  Ewers could have made a play or two, and that would have made the difference, but I put much more blame on really poor playcalling. Running routes into bad leverage, and low % plays before bashing your head into a wall is what I would Sark was doing, and that's not putting Ewers in a position to win the game. 
  
  Georgia only plays three coverages in the red zone, MOD, CLAMP, and 4 man, and all of them have the outside corners effectively playing outside leverage man, which means run inside routes with #1 receivers are open. Texas did almost none of this in the red zone, and that's on Sark. 
   

I don't find fault with the 2nd and 5 because of the pressure. The 3rd and 5 play is just inexcusable for a 3 year starter in this offense. IMO Quinn was throwing to Moore no matter what on 3rd and 5 because he predetermined it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There were two egregiously bad passes that Quinn threw that could have won the game if the passes were better. 


1st and 10 with 0:41 4th Qtr - Quinn underthrows Wingo who is behind his defender  down the sideline. It does result in a PI but if the throw is better it is a touchdown and the lead.

 

Why this pass is underthrown is displayed here and it's why Quinn isn't good on deep passes:

His feet are parallel to the LOS and he's throwing with all arm. He is well protected and there is no reason he shouldn't have stepped in this throw and put it on Wingo who was past the furthest back defender.

 

2nd & 10 at UGA 14

(OT) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to DeAndre Moore Jr.

I hated this concept. Ran two crossers and a slant over the middle of the field, and then a slot fade to the field, when you're asking Ewers to throw it basically from the far hash. It's not a great throw because it actually takes Moore from the back pylon back to the front pylon, but again, it's a low % play. Even if Ewers gets to the other read, Golden is being stacked on top because Helm is running basically on the same level, meaning there are two defenders there, and Wingo is running into the space. Now, if the play develops, maybe Golden or Helm is open, but it's a poorly executed levels concept because Helm is 2 yards behind Golden. 

 

 

On this play Moore beats his man and is wide open but Quinn throws the ball to far out and short. If this is thrown to the back of the endzone area it is a touchdown on a wide open receiver. Safety is no where close. Manning his this exact same concept earlier in the season to Johntay Cook from similar down spot on the field. 

 

At this point the defender is beat and in trail mode. 

 

You obviously want this thrown to the outside shoulder away from defender but Quinn definitely throws it too far outside and makes it where the receiver has to try and Willy Mays a throw. If this is thrown more toward the back of the endzone it's a TD.

 

This is where the ball hits in the endzone:

https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/41264955/country/us/redirected/trueAccessEnablerProxy.htmlAccessEnablerProxy.html

 

Here is the Arch play for reference.

 

Edited December 11 by Hashtag

[pack.swear]

7 hours ago, Hashtag said:

I don't find fault with the 2nd and 5 because of the pressure. The 3rd and 5 play is just inexcusable for a 3 year starter in this offense. IMO Quinn was throwing to Moore no matter what on 3rd and 5 because he predetermined it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There were two egregiously bad passes that Quinn threw that could have won the game if the passes were better. 


1st and 10 with 0:41 4th Qtr - Quinn underthrows Wingo who is behind his defender  down the sideline. It does result in a PI but if the throw is better it is a touchdown and the lead.

 

Why this pass is underthrown is displayed here and it's why Quinn isn't good on deep passes:

His feet are parallel to the LOS and he's throwing with all arm. He is well protected and there is no reason he shouldn't have stepped in this throw and put it on Wingo who was past the furthest back defender.

 

2nd & 10 at UGA 14

(OT) Quinn Ewers pass incomplete to DeAndre Moore Jr.

I hated this concept. Ran two crossers and a slant over the middle of the field, and then a slot fade to the field, when you're asking Ewers to throw it basically from the far hash. It's not a great throw because it actually takes Moore from the back pylon back to the front pylon, but again, it's a low % play. Even if Ewers gets to the other read, Golden is being stacked on top because Helm is running basically on the same level, meaning there are two defenders there, and Wingo is running into the space. Now, if the play develops, maybe Golden or Helm is open, but it's a poorly executed levels concept because Helm is 2 yards behind Golden. 

 

 

On this play Moore beats his man and is wide open but Quinn throws the ball to far out and short. If this is thrown to the back of the endzone area it is a touchdown on a wide open receiver. Safety is no where close. Manning his this exact same concept earlier in the season to Johntay Cook from similar down spot on the field. 

 

At this point the defender is beat and in trail mode. 

 

You obviously want this thrown to the outside shoulder away from defender but Quinn definitely throws it too far outside and makes it where the receiver has to try and Willy Mays a throw. If this is thrown more toward the back of the endzone it's a TD.

 

This is where the ball hits in the endzone:

https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/41264955/country/us/redirected/trueAccessEnablerProxy.htmlAccessEnablerProxy.html

 

Here is the Arch play for reference.

 

About the feet thing. That's not really the end of the world. Quinn's a rotational thrower, and you'll often notice that guys open up their body as they get into their motion. Rarely do rotational throwers "step in" to their throws, because you're using their hips and core to put velo on balls, not really ground striking. The issue is moreso that Quinn's opened to the middle up the field, and not open to the pylon, like he should be. Even in the Arch play, you'll note that Arch's front foot doesn't move much; it's very slight, but his body is open to the back pylon, which is what should happen. 

You're correct about the Moore route, which is what I noted.