RT should have his bags packed..

[Jordan91]

2 hours ago, 817 Boxing B said:

Well.. Chavez is going to command it..wherever she decides to go. Now... understand, the men's basketball ball coach, knowing RT is getting the axe and assuming we're getting a big name, is going to highlight that commitment to her and require an equal effort on the men's side. 

The splash hire is definitely where I want to be wrong. I hope they are serious about basketball and not just funding it to keep it as the second top revenue generating sport. They can be average and still do that. 

[pinkman_90]

17 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

And your dumbass post. 

Remember when you said that with NIL coaches don’t/can’t overachieve anymore?  That was some funny stuff.  

[Wrong Link Gerry]

19 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

And your dumbass post. 

Yeah I’m the dumbass, not the dude regurgitating false info, that came from chip brown of all people, every where I possibly can. 

[HookemTexas]

IMO, the NIL argument does not have much weight, there's a ton of teams with less NIL than Texas that are playing a better brand of basketball.  I've said in another thread, watching this team is boring - iso ball all day.

[Longhorngreg]

7 hours ago, Itsamystery said:

I go back to the recruiting class for last year, when he lost two key recruits in the days leading up to NSD. That team had to quickly change direction and never quite recovered from what it could have been. That hurt possible portal recruiting and had an impact on this years team. I have supported RT throughout, but this years product was not up to standards.

Yet that team accomplished as much as any other team and more than most since 2009 except for the Elite 8 team which at a minimum Terry navigated and stabilized through a difficult situation

[Longhorngreg]

2 hours ago, HookemTexas said:

IMO, the NIL argument does not have much weight, there's a ton of teams with less NIL than Texas that are playing a better brand of basketball.  I've said in another thread, watching this team is boring - iso ball all day.

Can you reference a few that are playing in a top Power 4/5 Conference?

[Longhorngreg]

3 hours ago, Jordan91 said:

The splash hire is definitely where I want to be wrong. I hope they are serious about basketball and not just funding it to keep it as the second top revenue generating sport. They can be average and still do that. 

That is where I am at.  If we are not going to commit the $12mil which really needs to be $15mil for a coach, staff and NIL then we should just stand pat as Terry is doing ok in the $8-9 mil range

[Hashtag]

28 minutes ago, Longhorngreg said:

That is where I am at.  If we are not going to commit the $12mil which really needs to be $15mil for a coach, staff and NIL then we should just stand pat as Terry is doing ok in the $8-9 mil range

That is absolutely the worst idea in the history of ideas for coaching basketball at the university of Texas. We’d be just as good just letting a random fan coach each home game and using Texas exes to find fans to coach the road games. That sounds like an as good, if not better option than running it back for Terry.

[TarrantCoHorn]

33 minutes ago, Longhorngreg said:

That is where I am at.  If we are not going to commit the $12mil which really needs to be $15mil for a coach, staff and NIL then we should just stand pat as Terry is doing ok in the $8-9 mil range

lol come on

[qaertyisthatdude]

43 minutes ago, Longhorngreg said:

That is where I am at.  If we are not going to commit the $12mil which really needs to be $15mil for a coach, staff and NIL then we should just stand pat as Terry is doing ok in the $8-9 mil range

Ummm I don’t think that’s the solution, but I will say the WBB team’s performance is what it will look like one day if the MBB program gets their spit together.  CDC had to be sitting at home watching that game and thinking how the hell can I get the MBB program to look like that?

Edited February 28 by qaertyisthatdude

[harveycmd]

The "not enough money" argument doesn't stand up. It was claimed Texas is in the middle of the pack in SEC basketball spending. Even if that's true (haven't seen confirmed information), Texas isn't in the middle of the pack in the SEC standings. How are we supposed to view that?

[Jordan91]

36 minutes ago, Longhorngreg said:

That is where I am at.  If we are not going to commit the $12mil which really needs to be $15mil for a coach, staff and NIL then we should just stand pat as Terry is doing ok in the $8-9 mil range

I would like to see this team make the tournament. End the season positively. Unfortunately, there are just too many obstacles in his way to succeed. Some of it is poor evaluation of players by Oggie, poor strength and conditioning (way too many players hurt this year), an unwillingness to hold players accountable for not executing the plays called, and the unwillingness to give him the money to win. There really is no momentum for Texas basketball now. Short of a sweet sixteen I don’t see him returning. It’s not the boos, people who know nothing about basketball (offensively or defensively), it’s simply that he doesn’t have the tools necessary to succeed. A change has to happen. It will make a difference, but a top five team? I will happily eat crow on that. I am very much like Gerry, I need to see it. And that’s from the University and not a message board wannabe insider. 
 

Texas can find a coach that will improve the product on a budget. It won’t be a top five team with a low salary coach and the same NIL. Make the tournament? Sure. Maybe in year three they get to a sweet sixteen. However, that top five team isn’t happening without a lot of money going into men’s basketball. I really hope they prove me wrong. I would love to have a top five program. This is a business and RT hasn’t done enough. Honestly even if he gets to the sweet sixteen and stays, he’s going to run into the same problems. When people leave in mass five minutes before the game is over it’s a very bad look. When you have a week off and your team is blown out by a team that has no conference wins it’s embarrassing. South Carolina has played teams close at home. It’s that they were never in the game that’s the problem. If Tre, Shedrick and Kaluma put up the stats they did against Arkansas they win easily. Can they win these last three games and make the tournament? Sure, but they could also lose three straight. It’s always good to watch Texas play a tournament game. Winning tournament games don’t necessarily mean you have a strong program though. And this program is not a strong program. 

 

[harveycmd]

6 hours ago, Jordan91 said:

I would like to see this team make the tournament. End the season positively. Unfortunately, there are just too many obstacles in his way to succeed. Some of it is poor evaluation of players by Oggie, poor strength and conditioning (way too many players hurt this year), an unwillingness to hold players accountable for not executing the plays called, and the unwillingness to give him the money to win. There really is no momentum for Texas basketball now. Short of a sweet sixteen I don’t see him returning. It’s not the boos, people who know nothing about basketball (offensively or defensively), it’s simply that he doesn’t have the tools necessary to succeed. A change has to happen. It will make a difference, but a top five team? I will happily eat crow on that. I am very much like Gerry, I need to see it. And that’s from the University and not a message board wannabe insider. 
 

Texas can find a coach that will improve the product on a budget. It won’t be a top five team with a low salary coach and the same NIL. Make the tournament? Sure. Maybe in year three they get to a sweet sixteen. However, that top five team isn’t happening without a lot of money going into men’s basketball. I really hope they prove me wrong. I would love to have a top five program. This is a business and RT hasn’t done enough. Honestly even if he gets to the sweet sixteen and stays, he’s going to run into the same problems. When people leave in mass five minutes before the game is over it’s a very bad look. When you have a week off and your team is blown out by a team that has no conference wins it’s embarrassing. South Carolina has played teams close at home. It’s that they were never in the game that’s the problem. If Tre, Shedrick and Kaluma put up the stats they did against Arkansas they win easily. Can they win these last three games and make the tournament? Sure, but they could also lose three straight. It’s always good to watch Texas play a tournament game. Winning tournament games don’t necessarily mean you have a strong program though. And this program is not a strong program. 

 

Who's talking top five? We're asking for competitive results against teams with similar talent. I ain't believing crap on all this talk about lack of spending until we have confirmed numbers. Again, if we're truly eighth or ninth in spending, we still aren't performing that well. We're thirteen in the conference.

[harveycmd]

I'll add that all this Tre Johnson love talk is overblown. He's very good. He's not some kind of generational talent. Doesn't play defense. Can't finish. Doesn't usually pass well. Holds the ball too long. That's something you can say Terry isn't necessarily screwing up.

Edited February 28 by harveycmd

[Jordan91]

2 hours ago, harveycmd said:

Who's talking top five? We're asking for competitive results against teams with similar talent. I ain't believing crap on all this talk about lack of spending until we have confirmed numbers. Again, if we're truly eighth or ninth in spending, we still aren't performing that well. We're thirteen in the conference.

CDC is talking top five. You won’t ever get confirmed numbers. Best you can do is go off inside info from various mods or personally know someone at every school.  Vanderbilt is the hardest because it’s a private school. 

[Hashtag]

20 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

CDC is talking top five. You won’t ever get confirmed numbers. Best you can do is go off inside info from various mods or personally know someone at every school.  Vanderbilt is the hardest because it’s a private school. 

CDC says he expects programs to be top 10 consistently. 

[Jordan91]

1 hour ago, Hashtag said:

CDC says he expects programs to be top 10 consistently. 

No, at the town hall he said top five for all programs. Top ten if perfectly fine though, and it’s what he has said in the past. We he said at the town hall was new. 

[Hashtag]

24 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

No, at the town hall he said top five for all programs. Top ten if perfectly fine though, and it’s what he has said in the past. We he said at the town hall was new. 

Top 5, top 10....either way the standard is the standard and I fully expect him to hire a coach to get us to that standard this time around!

[ChanmanV]

RT has had 2 seasons now with building and coaching his own team. There's been a clear decline in the results year to year. The criticism is fair at this point. RT is a good guy and I'm sure he's been good for the guys off the court. But his issue is building a winning roster and figuring out the identity and maximizing the roster he has. RT is a defensive specialist yet our roster has been built with more 1 dimensional offensive minded players in key roles. How does building a team where your best player is Max Abmas and even Tre Johnson this year aligned with RT's strength which is defense? How do compete in the SEC without having a starting caliber big man? We've been the smaller team in every SEC game this year. That's a roster building issue.

Don't get me wrong, RT gets the guys to play hard but there has to be more if you want to succeed in the SEC. The loss of Chendall Weaver and his energy and momentum changing plays this entire SEC schedule has hurt the team more than people realize. 

I hope we can still make the tournament but it's clear RT is not the right coach to raise the standard of Texas basketball to a higher bar than we've ever had. Good enough won't cut it anymore. 

[817 Boxing B]

18 hours ago, Hashtag said:

It is my understanding that the coach(no matter the sport) has total control over how the budget is utilized. David Pierce used NIL as poor or more poorly than RT did. Believe it or not Sark and some others had to convince donors that Colin Simmons was a generational player and pushed for the NIL package he got. 

Sark didn't have to convince ANYONE that Colin Simmons was other worldly, my guy. It's not what he spent NIL on, it's what he had to buy with what was given!!! There is no equivication in the commitment to UT football and baseball and the basketball program. None. Ever. In the history of this program, PERIOD! When RT gets fired, I think, for the first time, Texas will make a big name hire and actually allocate the proper resources to recruit and produce teams that can score 80-100 points a game, with elite athletes. Too many good players in this state and across the nation for them not to. You can't convince me Texas is serious about basketball and BYU getting the #1 player. I seen this same NIL/Board of Regents go get Justus Terry. Can't sell me that RT saw Kaluma and said..yep.. thats all we need with Sheddrick. 🤷🏿‍♂️🤘🏿

Edited February 28 by 817 Boxing B
🤘🏿

[Hashtag]

1 minute ago, 817 Boxing B said:

Sark didn't have to convince ANYONE that Colin Simmons was other worldly, my guy. It's not what he spent NIL on, it's what he had to buy with what was given!!! There is no equivication in the commitment to UT football and baseball and the basketball program. None. Ever. In the history of this program, PERIOD! When RT gets fired, I think, for the first time, Texas will make a big name hire and actually allocate the proper resources to recruit and produce teams that can score 80-100 it's a game, with elite athletes. Too many good players in this state and across the nation for them not to. You can't convince me Texas is serious about basketball and BYU getting the #1 player. I seen this same NIL/Board of Regents go get Justus Terry. Can't sell me that RT saw Kaluma and said..yep.. thats all we need with Sheddrick. 🤷🏿‍♂️🤘🏿

No, Sark and people around the NIL had convince people to put up the money for Simmons. He is amongst the highest paid non QB's in all of college football. This is truths, not opinions.  Like I said before if Sark was 8-4 he isn't getting the resources he's getting. He's coming off the semi-final(2023 season) with a team he built from nothing. Where as RT is the inverse of that. Took over a great roster and results and roster have fallen. This team has enough talent to not be as bad as they are, that is 100% on Rodney Terry coaching. Can't expect BMD's to throw their own personal money blindly at a coach and also call on them a year later to pony up buyout money for him/new coach. CDC/our NIL chose properly as RT will never, ever win anything of consequence at Texas or any other program he has been or may become the HC of. 

[817 Boxing B]

2 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

No, Sark and people around the NIL had convince people to put up the money for Simmons. He is amongst the highest paid non QB's in all of college football. This is truths, not opinions.  Like I said before if Sark was 8-4 he isn't getting the resources he's getting. He's coming off the semi-final(2023 season) with a team he built from nothing. Where as RT is the inverse of that. Took over a great roster and results and roster have fallen. This team has enough talent to not be as bad as they are, that is 100% on Rodney Terry coaching. Can't expect BMD's to throw their own personal money blindly at a coach and also call on them a year later to pony up buyout money for him/new coach. CDC/our NIL chose properly as RT will never, ever win anything of consequence at Texas or any other program he has been or may become the HC of. 

What I'm saying is... the plan was NEVER to support RT. Remember, he got his contract so late, he didn't get a chance to recruit early, being interim. He was doomed from start, and they knew that. He did too! That's why I said he gets no tears from me. He knew it was a short term job. You can't convince me either one of these teams he's fielded have been immensely talented, and Beard's holdovers were the same guys we wanted to transfer. This was never a RT lead our program type of deal. This was a band-aid deal. The Elite 8 run and the guys on that squad advocating for RT put CDC and the gang between a rock and a hard place. Face a mutiny, or give this dude a short deal until we can find someone we really want to lead this program.

[Hashtag]

3 minutes ago, 817 Boxing B said:

What I'm saying is... the plan was NEVER to support RT. Remember, he got his contract so late, he didn't get a chance to recruit early, being interim. He was doomed from start, and they knew that. He did too! That's why I said he gets no tears from me. He knew it was a short term job. You can't convince me either one of these teams he's fielded have been immensely talented, and Beard's holdovers were the same guys we wanted to transfer. This was never a RT lead our program type of deal. This was a band-aid deal. The Elite 8 run and the guys on that squad advocating for RT put CDC and the gang between a rock and a hard place. Face a mutiny, or give this dude a short deal until we can find someone we really want to lead this program.

I don't think the plan was to never support RT. If RT was giving us better results he'd be better supported but unfortunately he's dwindled each year. You are trying to make so many excuses for why he failed but reality is he's just a bad HC but a good assistant. It's as simple as that and your boogey man story is a good story and I hope it makes you feel better saying it. He had his shot and many coaches do more with less than RT has had. 

Edited February 28 by Hashtag

[Aspann85]

No support monetarily?? So I guess Tre Johnson came for free?? He was kicking around semi-pro as well. The money had to at least be close if not more for him to forgo that. As good of a story the E8 run was, we should’ve had an open hiring process with big time coaches. As you’ve said, We’re Texas! No need for us to avoid shooting for the fences and RT was never that hire. His past records have been mediocre everywhere. I know he is nice but unfortunately that doesn’t translate to consistent wins, clearly.