Transfer Portal and NIL

[BabyBevo]

Gerry, Bobby, CJ, please inform me because I am genuinely curious if there is an end in sight. The transfer portal and NIL ERA are beyond ridiculous right now. This window for basketball is proving that if it hasn’t already. Do any of you guys know if there is an end in sight to fixing all this crap? There’s no guard rails, or loyalty anymore which is sad to see. It’s all about who can pay the most. I’m all for paying players but I don’t see how this benefits college athletics in the long run. ESPECIALLY because the NCAA has to be the most worthless and incompetent organization of all time. In what world does it make sense to open the worthless portal IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAYOFFS. Please inform me, thank you!

[Realist Horn]

Pandora’s Box has been open, you can’t put the tooth paste back into the tube, etc. If the NCAA was reasonable years ago, it wouldn’t have gotten here. No end in sight until football breaks off and collectively bargains. 

[Jordan91]

It’s on Coach Miller now. All SEC schools are likely to be going after the same players. 

[bierce]

2 hours ago, BabyBevo said:

Gerry, Bobby, CJ, please inform me because I am genuinely curious if there is an end in sight. The transfer portal and NIL ERA are beyond ridiculous right now. This window for basketball is proving that if it hasn’t already. Do any of you guys know if there is an end in sight to fixing all this crap? There’s no guard rails, or loyalty anymore which is sad to see. It’s all about who can pay the most. I’m all for paying players but I don’t see how this benefits college athletics in the long run. ESPECIALLY because the NCAA has to be the most worthless and incompetent organization of all time. In what world does it make sense to open the worthless portal IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAYOFFS. Please inform me, thank you!

So what if the tournament is still going on?  Our staff can go chase down prospects, so why should we care?

Portal opening and closing only determines when players who are neither grad transfers nor players who saw their coaches run away can enter the portal.  It says nothing about when they have to agree to play for their old schooll or a new one. As long as they entered the portal, they can sign with anyone at any point, or even skip signing altogether and just show up in September somewhere and collect the jack. 

So the fuss about the portal opening while the tournament is still going on is silly.  Boo hoo if GMS of the teams still playing have to deal with free agents instead of sitting in the huddle during a game. 

[BabyBevo]

10 minutes ago, bierce said:

So what if the tournament is still going on?  Our staff can go chase down prospects, so why should we care?

Portal opening and closing only determines when players who are neither grad transfers nor players who saw their coaches run away can enter the portal.  It says nothing about when they have to agree to play for their old schooll or a new one. As long as they entered the portal, they can sign with anyone at any point, or even skip signing altogether and just show up in September somewhere and collect the jack. 

So the fuss about the portal opening while the tournament is still going on is silly.  Boo hoo if GMS of the teams still playing have to deal with free agents instead of sitting in the huddle during a game. 

I can’t disagree with this more. Why do you think college coaches keep jumping ship to go to the pros? They basically have no life so I sympathize with that a lot. I think it’s completely outrageous/pathetic that they have to be recruiting their own team to come back WHILE THEIR STILL COMPETING. Tom Izzo’s rant was incredible…. Can you imagine if the NFL/NBA had free agency and the draft ALL before their postseason’s?? No because it’s ludicrous and stupid. That’s what college sports is right now. 

[bierce]

How many head coaches have left college ranks to take NBA head coaching jobs in the last 5 years?

 

[BabyBevo]

8 minutes ago, bierce said:

How many head coaches have left college ranks to take NBA head coaching jobs in the last 5 years?

 

Don’t just limit it to that, how many college football coaches are leaving as well? Or retiring?

[bierce]

6 minutes ago, BabyBevo said:

Don’t just limit it to that, how many college football coaches are leaving as well? Or retiring?

I don't know, and I don't care, because our discussion is about whether having the portal open during the NCAA men's basketball tournament is some kind of bugaboo.

There isn't a single NCAA basketball head coach who has left college coaching ranks to take an NBA job since the portal became a thing. 

Wright and Bennett retired.  Maybe that was due to the portal being a thing, but they never said anything about the timing of the portal. 

Edited Thursday at 04:03 AM by bierce

[BabyBevo]

1 minute ago, bierce said:

I don't know, and I don't care, because our discussion is about whether having the portal open during the NCAA men's basketball tournament is some kind of bugaboo.

There isn't a single NCAA basketball head coach who has left college coaching ranks to take an NBA job since the portal became a thing. 

It’s tied into college football as well because they’re in the same boat and it’s the same point. 

[bierce]

2 minutes ago, BabyBevo said:

It’s tied into college football as well because they’re in the same boat and it’s the same point. 

The portal exists because it has to.  The NCAA does not have the power to prevent players from moving around.  And you know it.  The courts will eviscerate any governing body that tries to restrict player movement, and you know it.  So the portal exists. 

Your only complaint about basketball is connected to the timing.  Dumb complaint because the portal is only about when players can declare entry to the portal.  It doesn't determine when players have to announce they are staying or going somewhere else.

The day will come when every player in every single sport will announce he/she is entering the portal on day one of the portal opening to try to maximize earning potential.  How you going to stop that?  You can't.  Smart coaches will recognize this is the new reality and not panic.  They will tell their guys, "Let's go win this year, so you can maximize your potential earnings, and I'd love to have you come back here, but right now, let's get ready for our next opponent, and you agent and my GM will negotiate." 

Now admit it.  Not a single NCAA basketball head coach has left for the NBA since the portal has become a thing.  Admit it.

Does the portal add to the headaches facing NCAA coaches?  Of course it does.  But only Bennett made a point about it being a reason he walked away.  Wright just said he was only giving 70% of himself. 

 

 

[Thorn007]

It’s Pro sports now . There will be changes galore a comin yo

[BabyBevo]

7 hours ago, bierce said:

The portal exists because it has to.  The NCAA does not have the power to prevent players from moving around.  And you know it.  The courts will eviscerate any governing body that tries to restrict player movement, and you know it.  So the portal exists. 

Your only complaint about basketball is connected to the timing.  Dumb complaint because the portal is only about when players can declare entry to the portal.  It doesn't determine when players have to announce they are staying or going somewhere else.

The day will come when every player in every single sport will announce he/she is entering the portal on day one of the portal opening to try to maximize earning potential.  How you going to stop that?  You can't.  Smart coaches will recognize this is the new reality and not panic.  They will tell their guys, "Let's go win this year, so you can maximize your potential earnings, and I'd love to have you come back here, but right now, let's get ready for our next opponent, and you agent and my GM will negotiate." 

Now admit it.  Not a single NCAA basketball head coach has left for the NBA since the portal has become a thing.  Admit it.

Does the portal add to the headaches facing NCAA coaches?  Of course it does.  But only Bennett made a point about it being a reason he walked away.  Wright just said he was only giving 70% of himself. 

 

 

Like I said don’t just limit it to going to the NBA. How about all the legends retiring because of where the sport was headed at the time?

 It’s not a dumb complaint at all, like I said it’s the same as free agency starting before the postseason in the nfl/nba. Why would that make any sense at all? Because it doesn’t and it’s ridiculous. 
and the argument of “why should we care” because it’s not us, is terrible. 

[Hashtag]

11 minutes ago, BabyBevo said:

Like I said don’t just limit it to going to the NBA. How about all the legends retiring because of where the sport was headed at the time?

 It’s not a dumb complaint at all, like I said it’s the same as free agency starting before the postseason in the nfl/nba. Why would that make any sense at all? Because it doesn’t and it’s ridiculous. 
and the argument of “why should we care” because it’s not us, is terrible. 

There isn't much you can do about it because college athletics rotates around the academic calendar and those enrollment dates. 

Legends have to retire so new legends can be born. It's a fact of sports.

 

It's absolutely comical to see Texas fans complaining about NIL and portal when it has literally been a overwhelmingly net positive for us and our athletic program. Unless you prefer the days where teams were buying every player with bags and we were at a severe disadvantage. 

Edited Thursday at 12:36 PM by Hashtag

[Longhorngreg]

The courts have rendered the NCAA worthless in this matter.  The one and only solution is collective bargaining with the players.  However, the big boys are reluctant as they like the separation that has occured with the haves and have nots while the little guys are fearful that they will have to dig deeper into their pockets

[bierce]

Ok, Baby, I gave you Bennett as a guy who .maybe quit because of the portal, but he quit in September, so it wasn't about the timing.

Which football coaches do you claim quit or went to the NFL because of the portal?  Satan?  While he alluded to NIL changing player attitude, he also said he couldn't keep promising assistant coaches he would be around for 3-4 years, and he told the AD in 2022 he was thinking it was near time for him to retire.  Not to mention he was 72.

Nebraska women's volleyball coach John Cook retired this year, and he bitterly complained about teams building with transfers, but he didn't cite transfers and NIL as a reason for retiring.  He cited doing it for 25 years, wanting to spend time with family, and pursue other activities like his roping shows, as well as it being time to hand the program over to his protege.  And he's 68.

[Hashtag]

11 minutes ago, bierce said:

Ok, Baby, I gave you Bennett as a guy who .maybe quit because of the portal, but he quit in September, so it wasn't about the timing.

Which football coaches do you claim quit or went to the NFL because of the portal?  Satan?  While he alluded to NIL changing player attitude, he also said he couldn't keep promising assistant coaches he would be around for 3-4 years, and he told the AD in 2022 he was thinking it was near time for him to retire.  Not to mention he was 72.

Nebraska women's volleyball coach John Cook retired this year, and he bitterly complained about teams building with transfers, but he didn't cite transfers and NIL as a reason for retiring.  He cited doing it for 25 years, wanting to spend time with family, and pursue other activities like his roping shows, as well as it being time to hand the program over to his protege.  And he's 68.

The best part of some of these coaches who complain, especially Saban is how hypocritical he is in doing so. He had been paying players for decades but now that everyone else is and the price went up so he methods aren't as effective he complains. 

Edited Thursday at 01:29 PM by Hashtag

[camridleyfan]

If the NCAA restricted transfers to graduates/made players sit a year if they have not graduated, it would fix 99% of problems. Tampering, ridiculous NIL over pays, etc.

[bierce]

8 minutes ago, camridleyfan said:

If the NCAA restricted transfers to graduates/made players sit a year if they have not graduated, it would fix 99% of problems. Tampering, ridiculous NIL over pays, etc.

And unleash a flood of litigation.

The NCAA can't stop players from going from one school to another anymore.  Those days are over and not coming back unless the NCAA members agree to certification of a union and collectively bargain with the players' union, and I doubt member schools want that. 

[camridleyfan]

1 minute ago, bierce said:

And unleash a flood of litigation.

The NCAA can't stop players from going from one school to another anymore.  Those days are over and not coming back unless the NCAA members agree to certification of a union and collectively bargain with the players' union, and I doubt member schools want that. 

They can still transfer, but not be eligible to play right away, which I believe is possible to win but the NCAA is racking up the legal fees, so doubt they would want to try it.  Also unionization is not allowed under the NCAA model, if players ever unionized under the ncaa it would kill every sport not name football and basketball. If football breaks off , then they could unionize, (also add 80-100 scholarships) and also tv execs have estimated they could double current tv contract revenue (rev share/fundind every other sport) ,if not under NCAA jurisdiction. 

[HDub1995]

16 minutes ago, camridleyfan said:

If the NCAA restricted transfers to graduates/made players sit a year if they have not graduated, it would fix 99% of problems. Tampering, ridiculous NIL over pays, etc.

This was the old rule essentially. In most sports you transferred and sat a year. Smaller sports had a one time exception. I was in compliance at DI when the rule changed to allow everyone to transfer. They changed it because they were going to get sued and lose the case otherwise. We (administrators on campus) tried to tell the NCAA for years they needed to be proactive, but instead they took the kick the can down the road mentality. And here we are. The genie isn’t going back in the bottle. 

[bierce]

3 minutes ago, camridleyfan said:

They can still transfer, but not be eligible to play right away, which I believe is possible to win but the NCAA is racking up the legal fees, so doubt they would want to try it.  Also unionization is not allowed under the NCAA model, if players ever unionized under the ncaa it would kill every sport not name football and basketball. If football breaks off , then they could unionize, (also add 80-100 scholarships) and also tv execs have estimated they could double current tv contract revenue (rev share/fundind every other sport) ,if not under NCAA jurisdiction. 

It wasn't just the players attacking the year in residency rule.  A coalition of state attorneys general took on the NCAA over the rule.  And made the NCAA capitulate.

Sitting out a year ain't coming back.

The NCAA is a creation of the member institutions, not something that was foisted on them by nefarious outside forces.  The members can always dissolve the NCAA and create a new model. 

[HDub1995]

2 minutes ago, bierce said:

It wasn't just the players attacking the year in residency rule.  A coalition of state attorneys general took on the NCAA over the rule.  And made the NCAA capitulate.

Sitting out a year ain't coming back.

The NCAA is a creation of the member institutions, not something that was foisted on them by nefarious outside forces.  The members can always dissolve the NCAA and create a new model. 

Before I left the field, there were active conversations about P4 splitting away, at minimum in football. In basketball the tournament is still too valuable from a $ perspective right now. I do believe eventually a split will happen, barring any major changes. 

[camridleyfan]

2 minutes ago, HDub1995 said:

Before I left the field, there were active conversations about P4 splitting away, at minimum in football. In basketball the tournament is still too valuable from a $ perspective right now. I do believe eventually a split will happen, barring any major changes. 

If anything it will happen not to fix the current issues, but to supercharge potential revenue lol

[bierce]

Let us all have a good laugh at the articles today touting the "massive" NIL prize at stake in the CBC starting next week. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/new-postseason-college-basketball-tournament-ups-the-stakes-with-huge-nil-news/ar-AA1BMHQh

Ooh, 300K to the winner.  That might be enough for a single 10-15 mpg bench player from the prices we are hearing.  Massive, I tell you. 

[jonbailey]

4 hours ago, Hashtag said:

The best part of some of these coaches who complain, especially Saban is how hypocritical he is in doing so. He had been paying players for decades but now that everyone else is and the price went up so he methods aren't as effective he complains. 

Yeah the hypocrisy is off the charts. Like when Kerby complained about Justice Terry and NIL. Give me a break.

I think Saben got tired of having to talk about the money. Must have been a lot easier talking about football and letting the bag-men and boosters handel the money aspect. Although you might be right about not having the energy to play on a level-ish playing field.