OTF Premium Thoughts on what happened to No. 1 Texas in a 14-7, season-opening loss to No. 3 Ohio State

[cmk4pres]

29 minutes ago, HookemTexas said:

No sacks on a freshman QB by the defense was disappointing, especially because this rush is supposed to be elite.

While I agree the defense is FAR from the issue 

[Jarveaux]

47 minutes ago, burntoc said:

Not calling you out specifically, but do you miss Okie St Quinn, or cherry-picked memory Quinn?  I've got action on anyone who thinks Arch won't go before the 7th round whenever he chooses to leave.

No we miss the Quinn that won 11 straight away games . Arch will be fine please give him a chance.

[burntoc]

Just now, Jarveaux said:

No we miss the Quinn that won 11 straight away games . Arch will be fine please give him a chance.

Regarding Arch, I agree.  

[dlp1123]

I think sark has proven to be the most overrated play caller ever. Not real hatred. He has a few tik-tok plays that show up on highlights but over the course of a game I am just amazed at how awful his game plan can be. Regardless of the quarterback. It's not Quinn's fault, it's not Hudson cards fault, it's not Casey Thompson's fault, it's not Arch Manning's fault.  The things that always show up year after year and the only constant is sark.  I want him to be our coach and I love him to death. But he needs to step away from being the play caller. He forces you way too much. Throwing the ball on first down when you saw in the first quarter that Arch just didn't have. It is beyond me. Third and three in the red zone and we throw two passes. When the running game has been working all game. He is the reason we lost this game. We have a great team that played very hard. Very disheartening. Same issues we have seen for 5 years now.

[burntoc]

Yep, FSU and others demonstrated you can be a great HC, and a great offensive playcaller, but doing both at a big time program does not work in today's world.

[LonghornFan4Ever]

Just now, burntoc said:

Yep, FSU and others demonstrated you can be a great HC, and a great offensive playcaller, but doing both at a big time program does not work in today's world.

I think he wants to do both because his ego won’t let him give it up and one of his greatest mentors, Pete Carroll, did that when he was at USC.  Carroll was both the head coach and defensive coordinator/playcaller during his tenure there and won a couple of natties.  Sark is trying to prove he can do that too.

[birdlaw5895]

5 minutes ago, dlp1123 said:

I think sark has proven to be the most overrated play caller ever. Not real hatred. He has a few tik-tok plays that show up on highlights but over the course of a game I am just amazed at how awful his game plan can be. Regardless of the quarterback. It's not Quinn's fault, it's not Hudson cards fault, it's not Casey Thompson's fault, it's not Arch Manning's fault.  The things that always show up year after year and the only constant is sark.  I want him to be our coach and I love him to death. But he needs to step away from being the play caller. He forces you way too much. Throwing the ball on first down when you saw in the first quarter that Arch just didn't have. It is beyond me. Third and three in the red zone and we throw two passes. When the running game has been working all game. He is the reason we lost this game. We have a great team that played very hard. Very disheartening. Same issues we have seen for 5 years now.

I agree with most of this but to be fair to him arch was not on his game with hitting the open man … it is what it is … hoping we stay healthy into Gainesville 

[Judd_Irby]

How can two different players put their hands into an opposing player’s face mask?  Don’t they know it will cost 15 yards?  The first changed a sure OSU punt into a touchdown drive.  The second wiped out a safety.  Eight points from mental errors on the defense that otherwise played well.  We’ve simply become accustomed to false starts by the offensive line, but they keep happening.  Maybe start thinking a little out there.  Sorry for ragging these guys out.  I think we have a promising season ahead.  Our expectations were oversized in part due to our listening to hometown media pundits. 

[cmk4pres]

10 minutes ago, dlp1123 said:

I think sark has proven to be the most overrated play caller ever. Not real hatred. He has a few tik-tok plays that show up on highlights but over the course of a game I am just amazed at how awful his game plan can be. Regardless of the quarterback. It's not Quinn's fault, it's not Hudson cards fault, it's not Casey Thompson's fault, it's not Arch Manning's fault.  The things that always show up year after year and the only constant is sark.  I want him to be our coach and I love him to death. But he needs to step away from being the play caller. He forces you way too much. Throwing the ball on first down when you saw in the first quarter that Arch just didn't have. It is beyond me. Third and three in the red zone and we throw two passes. When the running game has been working all game. He is the reason we lost this game. We have a great team that played very hard. Very disheartening. Same issues we have seen for 5 years now.

Couldnt agree more 

[dlp1123]

2 minutes ago, birdlaw5895 said:

I agree with most of this but to be fair to him arch was not on his game with hitting the open man … it is what it is … hoping we stay healthy into Gainesville 

He should have seen what we all saw in the first quarter.....  He didn't have it.  Are we trying to win the game?  Fair is for ladies..

[birdlaw5895]

Lagway has tough games before we roll into town … if he stays healthy it’s going to be a ballgame … arch and the receiving corps need to get on the same page, we have three weeks of free reps to figure this thing out offensively … NO INJURIES 

[birdlaw5895]

2 minutes ago, dlp1123 said:

He should have seen what we all saw in the first quarter.....  He didn't have it.  Are we trying to win the game?  Fair is for ladies..

Another underrated aspect I think was that once we started going with Wisner the run game really started to get going 

it was going all game but Wisner added a different level 

[dlp1123]

3 minutes ago, birdlaw5895 said:

Another underrated aspect I think was that once we started going with Wisner the run game really started to get going 

it was going all game but Wisner added a different level 

Great point. Wisner is our bell cow.  Tough. Has a slow but methodical style that fits our zone blocking scheme.  Not that baxter did poorly but I couldn't agree more that Tre was just better

[Forrest J.]

Concerns & Things to keep an eye on IMO…

NO EXPLOSIVENESS

* Lack of offensive playmakers. I’m not buying Baxter/Wingo hype until I actually see it. Wingo has to get the ball on the move to be effective. He doesn’t have in air ball skills to consistently win contested balls. Baxter’s best quality as a RB is picking up blitzes. Wisener’s lack of burst leaves a lot of yards on the field.  

*No downfield threat at WR or out of the backfield  

MENTAL ERRORS

*Still committing mental error penalties (pre snap and personal foul) that kill drives!

GILBEAU

* Gilbeau is going to be a liability

DE/EDGE ROOM

*Slight concern that DE room isn’t what we think it is.  Lack of impact/pressure plays from the position only reinforced my thoughts.

SARK

*Sark play calling in shorty yardage and goal to go situation  e.g. 3rd and 3 and he calls two pass plays.  

*Sark in big games against equal talent or an elite coach  

-Sark 0 v. Kirby 2

-Sark 0 v. Day 2

-Sark 0 v. DeBoer 2

 

[TXFF]

A couple of days ago, Colt did an interview leading up to the game. Perhaps some of you saw it. He said that a huge advantage for OSU was that they had a new OC and DC with no useful tape to study. OSU had plenty on us because of our coordinators being unchanged for years. Arch seemed out of sorts because they were disguising everything really well. He had no idea what the coverage was until the snap so he had to adjust in real time. 

[birdlaw5895]

2 minutes ago, dlp1123 said:

Great point. Wisner is our bell cow.  Tough. Has a slow but methodical style that fits our zone blocking scheme.  Not that baxter did poorly but I couldn't agree more that Tre was just better

Man my key to this game all offseason was the run game. It really sucks that we got the run game going and it still wasn’t enough. I’m concerned about the receiving corps, but it was only week one. We shall see 

[dlp1123]

4 minutes ago, Forrest J. said:

Concerns & Things to keep an eye on IMO…

NO EXPLOSIVENESS

* Lack of offensive playmakers. I’m not buying Baxter/Wingo hype until I actually see it. Wingo has to get the ball on the move to be effective. He doesn’t have in air ball skills to consistently win contested balls. Baxter’s best quality as a RB is picking up blitzes. Wisener’s lack of burst leaves a lot of yards on the field.  

*No downfield threat at WR or out of the backfield  

MENTAL ERRORS

*Still committing mental error penalties (pre snap and personal foul) that kill drives!

GILBEAU

* Gilbeau is going to be a liability

DE/EDGE ROOM

*Slight concern that DE room isn’t what we think it is.  Lack of impact/pressure plays from the position only reinforced my thoughts.

SARK

*Sark play calling in shorty yardage and goal to go situation  e.g. 3rd and 3 and he calls two pass plays.  

*Sark in big games against equal talent or an elite coach  

-Sark 0 v. Kirby 2

-Sark 0 v. Day 2

-Sark 0 v. DeBoer 2

 

Love all of this but I think our DE are legit.  OSU got rid of it quick. Great game plan. But the rest is spot on.

[burntoc]

5 hours ago, CHorn427 said:

Ohio State barely had over 200 total yards of offense at home. They have the best group of pass catchers in the nation. Their analysts are very high on their OL. If you think holding tOSU to a little over 200 yds and 14 points at home is pedestrian, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Even though we didn’t get sacks, the DL had a big role in limiting both passing yds and (obviously) rushing yds.

And the word you were looking for is “vaunted” not “vaulted”

Absolutely

[Gpj0001]

Too be honest I thought the o line look pretty good and the run game. I think the wr had issues separating. I also think sark was vanilla for whatever reasons. But I will say again I trust sark and we will be good in the sec and it also seem like qb play for every team was bad unless you played a cupcake team

[smokeyiii]

Let’s blame Bobby since he called the loss. Let’s hope he’s not right about Florida too! 🤣

[pinkman_90]

Baxter and Wisner are ok.  There were holes in the run game for huge chunk plays and neither have the burst to make it happen.  No broken tackles.  

[HDub1995]

1 hour ago, Forrest J. said:

Concerns & Things to keep an eye on IMO…

NO EXPLOSIVENESS

* Lack of offensive playmakers. I’m not buying Baxter/Wingo hype until I actually see it. Wingo has to get the ball on the move to be effective. He doesn’t have in air ball skills to consistently win contested balls. Baxter’s best quality as a RB is picking up blitzes. Wisener’s lack of burst leaves a lot of yards on the field.  

*No downfield threat at WR or out of the backfield  

 

Nobody talking about this but I tend to agree. I am not sold on our playmakers on offense. I know it’s early, but our staff is essentially relying on a bunch of unproven guys hitting. I don’t agree with that approach. There were plenty of capable WRs in the portal they could have taken that could thrive in this offense. 
 

Wingo needs to prove it. His route running and contested catch ability has been lackluster. Moore is good, but not elite. He is who he is. Everyone else is a question mark. 
 

Wisner is a good back, not elite. Baxter will take time. No home run threats there. 

[Gpj0001]

4 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

Baxter and Wisner are ok.  There were holes in the run game for huge chunk plays and neither have the burst to make it happen.  No broken tackles.  

 

5 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

Baxter and Wisner are ok.  There were holes in the run game for huge chunk plays and neither have the burst to make it happen.  No broken tackles.  

It’s week 1 and I thought the run game was good. It seem like when they ran behind Connor stroh they got possible yards. 

[Gpj0001]

We should all be confident in this team. There nothing about this game that makes me think oh we wont be good. Sure arch could have played a lot better but we all know arch has it in him. Trust the process. Rome was not build in a day 

Edited 2 hours ago by Gpj0001

[CHorn427]

1 hour ago, birdlaw5895 said:

Lagway has tough games before we roll into town … if he stays healthy it’s going to be a ballgame … arch and the receiving corps need to get on the same page, we have three weeks of free reps to figure this thing out offensively … NO INJURIES 

I don’t think the Florida defense is close to as good as Ohio State’s, but we’ll see