OTF Premium Final Thoughts: Biggest Area of Improvement for Arch in Non-Con

[CJ Vogel]

 

Wanted to share my final thoughts on Arch Manning ahead of the non-conference action over the next three weeks.

I think Arch Manning will be fine. The quickest way to elevate his game is to truly trust that offensive line which played admirably against Ohio State last Saturday.

Trust in the offensive line will do a few things:

1. Slow down the game, allowing Arch to read his keys instead of skipping chapters to find a check down.

2. Allow Arch to play comfortably within the pocket, cleaning up the mechanical issues we saw due to a sped up internal clock.

3. Provide opportunities for routes downfield to develop and come open downfield, something that happened on Saturday but was not given a chance as a result of some skiddishness. 

 

Three weeks to improve and as a betting man, the one thing I am not going to do is bet against Arch Manning. 

[CJ Vogel]

Good stuff by Chase Daniel to breakdown the quarterback position this weekend.

[Stuey22]

That’s a manly throw.  Don’t think Patricia is getting enough credit for causing Arch issues.  That was a helluva game plan Arch was navigating without any tape history of him at OSU.  

[Bunk Moreland]

43 minutes ago, Stuey22 said:

That’s a manly throw.  Don’t think Patricia is getting enough credit for causing Arch issues.  That was a helluva game plan Arch was navigating without any tape history of him at OSU.  

Totally agree. Sark is excellent at creating amazing game plans when he has film to work with. When he has to adapt and adjust in game, we know that he struggles. I wonder if the reason his script was so uninspired is because he was flying blind with what Patricia would do. I suspect if Texas and OSU play again later this year, Sark will call a MUCH better game with more tape on Patricia’s D.

[watty7796]

IF Texas practices good on good and our defense really mixes and disguises things up every day on the practice field it would do a ton to help Arch.  I dont see much over the next 3 weeks during games that are going to do much other than build confidence.   Opponents wont do much to truly challenge this offense because of the talent gap.  Just my 2 cents.

[diegozanna20]

2 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

Good stuff by Chase Daniel to breakdown the quarterback position this weekend.

I'd say to all the texas fans that still feel uneasy about the future of Arch to watch Chase Daniel's breakdown on youtube. 
Much less "apocalyptic" about how Arch played than other people who analysed his game.
Biggest problem was for sure the mechanics but he actually wasn't processing things as badly as people think, and we're talking about things that he probably never saw up until saturday... I'm telling you, a lot of people in the media nationally will backtrack as the season goes on and will be back on the hype train... (Not sure if that's good or bad)
Just need the game to slow down a bit, whether that was due to emotions, not being used to seeing the kinds of coverage he saw or maybe just wanting to be "superman" so badly that he ended up doing the opposite ( or all three) I don't know, but I really think he'll be fine.

[diegozanna20]

6 minutes ago, watty7796 said:

IF Texas practices good on good and our defense really mixes and disguises things up every day on the practice field it would do a ton to help Arch.  I dont see much over the next 3 weeks during games that are going to do much other than build confidence.   Opponents wont do much to truly challenge this offense because of the talent gap.  Just my 2 cents.

It wasn't just the coverages, it was a mix of a lot of things that rattled him...
I think number one he wanted this game really really badly, too much maybe, so much so that he went into it thinking he'd have to do it all alone: that's a ton of pressure to put on yourself...
Also I think CJ made a great point: he was expecting something like Georgia last year but it never came, so in many ways he wasn't trusting (as much as he should've) his oline AND himself, because apart from running the ball if there's one thing that Arch did really really well saturday was actually maneuvering the pocket.
That's instincts, and you can't teach those... He just gotta trust in his abilities to move in the pocket more, step into throws... Process faster so he doesn't have to spend too much brain power diagnosing the defense to allow him to keep the same great footwork and mechanics he's had since like middleschool

[CJ Vogel]

11 minutes ago, diegozanna20 said:

I'd say to all the texas fans that still feel uneasy about the future of Arch to watch Chase Daniel's breakdown on youtube. 
Much less "apocalyptic" about how Arch played than other people who analysed his game.
Biggest problem was for sure the mechanics but he actually wasn't processing things as badly as people think, and we're talking about things that he probably never saw up until saturday... I'm telling you, a lot of people in the media nationally will backtrack as the season goes on and will be back on the hype train... (Not sure if that's good or bad)
Just need the game to slow down a bit, whether that was due to emotions, not being used to seeing the kinds of coverage he saw or maybe just wanting to be "superman" so badly that he ended up doing the opposite ( or all three) I don't know, but I really think he'll be fine.

I thought Chase Daniel's breakdown was great. 

[DanielOnorato]

3 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

 

Wanted to share my final thoughts on Arch Manning ahead of the non-conference action over the next three weeks.

I think Arch Manning will be fine. The quickest way to elevate his game is to truly trust that offensive line which played admirably against Ohio State last Saturday.

Trust in the offensive line will do a few things:

1. Slow down the game, allowing Arch to read his keys instead of skipping chapters to find a check down.

2. Allow Arch to play comfortably within the pocket, cleaning up the mechanical issues we saw due to a sped up internal clock.

3. Provide opportunities for routes downfield to develop and come open downfield, something that happened on Saturday but was not given a chance as a result of some skiddishness. 

 

Three weeks to improve and as a betting man, the one thing I am not going to do is bet against Arch Manning. 

I agree. A few things I'd like to see out of Manning in these non con games is :

1) Two minute drill - If I were Sark I'd try my best get Arch an opportunity to hold onto the ball and score a touchdown without giving the opposing team an opportunity with any time left on the clock. Best if able to receive the second half snap and put together timely back to back scoring drives.

2) Pre snap adjustments - identifying Mike linebacker, lots of communication with his line and receivers, possibly even checking out of a call into something entirely different, especially in red zone.

3) Patience - I'm not saying sit on the ball and don't throw it if wingos in press man with no help over the top, but I'd like to see him allow routes and concepts to develop more when applicable. The Ohio State defense seemingly dictated where Arch was going with the ball. With patience he can adequately and accurately decipher the appropriate lapse in coverage rather than taking what the defense wants him to have. He got lured in like a mouse to cheese and was caught in too many traps versus Ohio State.

4) Leadership - it was a tough environment but Arch looked like he was on rogue products after a night on 6th street. I'd like to see more vocal leadership and fire from him like we saw at times last year. It was a different animal when he could come in off the bench and go wild in limited snaps inspiring and motivating his teammates. How does he inspire and lead this group week to week, play to play. Each player leads differently, I'm excited to see his approach and growth leading this team before SEC play.

 

Can't wait to see his journey in hopes the final destination is a Championship before he heads to the NFL whenever that may be.

Edited 2 hours ago by DanielOnorato

[diegozanna20]

2 minutes ago, DanielOnorato said:

I agree. A few things I'd like to see out of Manning in these non con games is :

1) Two minute drill - If I were Sark I'd try my best get Arch an opportunity to hold onto the ball and score a touchdown without giving the opposing team an opportunity with any time left on the clock. Best if able to receive the second half snap and put together timely back to back scoring drives.

2) Pre snap adjustments - identifying Mike linebacker, lots of communication with his line and receivers, possibly even checking out of a call into something entirely different, especially in red zone.

3) Patience - I'm not saying sit on the ball and don't throw it if wingos in press man with no help over the top, but I'd like to see him allow routes and concepts develop more when applicable. The Ohio State seemingly dictated where Arch was going with the ball, with patience he can adequately and accurately decipher the appropriate lapse in coverage rather than taking what the defense wants him to have. He got lured in like a mouse to cheese and was caught in too many traps versus Ohio State.

4) Leadership - it was a tough environment but Arch looked like he was on rogue products after a night on 6th street. I'd like to see more vocal leadership and fire from him like we saw at times last year. It was a different animal when he could come in off the bench and go wild in limited snaps inspiring and motivating his teammates. How does he inspire and lead this group week to week, play to play. Each player leads differently, I'm excited to see his approach and growth leading this team before SEC play.

 

Can't wait to see his journey in hopes the final destination is a Championship before he heads to the NFL whenever that may be.

Last point is so important.
I think Coach Erwin talked about it and I completely agree... 
Arch was missing that swagger that makes him who he is on saturday.
He himself said that he plays his best ball when he's having fun, and I'm sure he wasn't on Saturday...
I think this really comes down to experience, being able to tap into that mode even on the road...

[jkates]

3 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

skiddishness

 

Edited 2 hours ago by jkates

[jkates]

13 minutes ago, CJ Vogel said:

I thought Chase Daniel's breakdown was great. 

It was worth watching. He finds some positives but doesn't sugarcoat the negatives. 

[Hookem72]

I want to see him have some touch on the short passes.   

[DanielOnorato]

3 minutes ago, jkates said:

 

That's why I use Von Lane.

[CJ Vogel]

27 minutes ago, DanielOnorato said:

That's why I use Von Lane.

LOVE that answer