OTF Premium Final Thoughts: Biggest Area of Improvement for Arch in Non-Con

[CJ Vogel]

 

Wanted to share my final thoughts on Arch Manning ahead of the non-conference action over the next three weeks.

I think Arch Manning will be fine. The quickest way to elevate his game is to truly trust that offensive line which played admirably against Ohio State last Saturday.

Trust in the offensive line will do a few things:

1. Slow down the game, allowing Arch to read his keys instead of skipping chapters to find a check down.

2. Allow Arch to play comfortably within the pocket, cleaning up the mechanical issues we saw due to a sped up internal clock.

3. Provide opportunities for routes downfield to develop and come open downfield, something that happened on Saturday but was not given a chance as a result of some skiddishness. 

 

Three weeks to improve and as a betting man, the one thing I am not going to do is bet against Arch Manning. 

[CJ Vogel]

Good stuff by Chase Daniel to breakdown the quarterback position this weekend.

[Stuey22]

That’s a manly throw.  Don’t think Patricia is getting enough credit for causing Arch issues.  That was a helluva game plan Arch was navigating without any tape history of him at OSU.  

[Bunk Moreland]

43 minutes ago, Stuey22 said:

That’s a manly throw.  Don’t think Patricia is getting enough credit for causing Arch issues.  That was a helluva game plan Arch was navigating without any tape history of him at OSU.  

Totally agree. Sark is excellent at creating amazing game plans when he has film to work with. When he has to adapt and adjust in game, we know that he struggles. I wonder if the reason his script was so uninspired is because he was flying blind with what Patricia would do. I suspect if Texas and OSU play again later this year, Sark will call a MUCH better game with more tape on Patricia’s D.

[watty7796]

IF Texas practices good on good and our defense really mixes and disguises things up every day on the practice field it would do a ton to help Arch.  I dont see much over the next 3 weeks during games that are going to do much other than build confidence.   Opponents wont do much to truly challenge this offense because of the talent gap.  Just my 2 cents.

[diegozanna20]

2 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

Good stuff by Chase Daniel to breakdown the quarterback position this weekend.

I'd say to all the texas fans that still feel uneasy about the future of Arch to watch Chase Daniel's breakdown on youtube. 
Much less "apocalyptic" about how Arch played than other people who analysed his game.
Biggest problem was for sure the mechanics but he actually wasn't processing things as badly as people think, and we're talking about things that he probably never saw up until saturday... I'm telling you, a lot of people in the media nationally will backtrack as the season goes on and will be back on the hype train... (Not sure if that's good or bad)
Just need the game to slow down a bit, whether that was due to emotions, not being used to seeing the kinds of coverage he saw or maybe just wanting to be "superman" so badly that he ended up doing the opposite ( or all three) I don't know, but I really think he'll be fine.

[diegozanna20]

6 minutes ago, watty7796 said:

IF Texas practices good on good and our defense really mixes and disguises things up every day on the practice field it would do a ton to help Arch.  I dont see much over the next 3 weeks during games that are going to do much other than build confidence.   Opponents wont do much to truly challenge this offense because of the talent gap.  Just my 2 cents.

It wasn't just the coverages, it was a mix of a lot of things that rattled him...
I think number one he wanted this game really really badly, too much maybe, so much so that he went into it thinking he'd have to do it all alone: that's a ton of pressure to put on yourself...
Also I think CJ made a great point: he was expecting something like Georgia last year but it never came, so in many ways he wasn't trusting (as much as he should've) his oline AND himself, because apart from running the ball if there's one thing that Arch did really really well saturday was actually maneuvering the pocket.
That's instincts, and you can't teach those... He just gotta trust in his abilities to move in the pocket more, step into throws... Process faster so he doesn't have to spend too much brain power diagnosing the defense to allow him to keep the same great footwork and mechanics he's had since like middleschool

[CJ Vogel]

11 minutes ago, diegozanna20 said:

I'd say to all the texas fans that still feel uneasy about the future of Arch to watch Chase Daniel's breakdown on youtube. 
Much less "apocalyptic" about how Arch played than other people who analysed his game.
Biggest problem was for sure the mechanics but he actually wasn't processing things as badly as people think, and we're talking about things that he probably never saw up until saturday... I'm telling you, a lot of people in the media nationally will backtrack as the season goes on and will be back on the hype train... (Not sure if that's good or bad)
Just need the game to slow down a bit, whether that was due to emotions, not being used to seeing the kinds of coverage he saw or maybe just wanting to be "superman" so badly that he ended up doing the opposite ( or all three) I don't know, but I really think he'll be fine.

I thought Chase Daniel's breakdown was great. 

[DanielOnorato]

3 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

 

Wanted to share my final thoughts on Arch Manning ahead of the non-conference action over the next three weeks.

I think Arch Manning will be fine. The quickest way to elevate his game is to truly trust that offensive line which played admirably against Ohio State last Saturday.

Trust in the offensive line will do a few things:

1. Slow down the game, allowing Arch to read his keys instead of skipping chapters to find a check down.

2. Allow Arch to play comfortably within the pocket, cleaning up the mechanical issues we saw due to a sped up internal clock.

3. Provide opportunities for routes downfield to develop and come open downfield, something that happened on Saturday but was not given a chance as a result of some skiddishness. 

 

Three weeks to improve and as a betting man, the one thing I am not going to do is bet against Arch Manning. 

I agree. A few things I'd like to see out of Manning in these non con games is :

1) Two minute drill - If I were Sark I'd try my best get Arch an opportunity to hold onto the ball and score a touchdown without giving the opposing team an opportunity with any time left on the clock. Best if able to receive the second half snap and put together timely back to back scoring drives.

2) Pre snap adjustments - identifying Mike linebacker, lots of communication with his line and receivers, possibly even checking out of a call into something entirely different, especially in red zone.

3) Patience - I'm not saying sit on the ball and don't throw it if wingos in press man with no help over the top, but I'd like to see him allow routes and concepts to develop more when applicable. The Ohio State defense seemingly dictated where Arch was going with the ball. With patience he can adequately and accurately decipher the appropriate lapse in coverage rather than taking what the defense wants him to have. He got lured in like a mouse to cheese and was caught in too many traps versus Ohio State.

4) Leadership - it was a tough environment but Arch looked like he was on rogue products after a night on 6th street. I'd like to see more vocal leadership and fire from him like we saw at times last year. It was a different animal when he could come in off the bench and go wild in limited snaps inspiring and motivating his teammates. How does he inspire and lead this group week to week, play to play. Each player leads differently, I'm excited to see his approach and growth leading this team before SEC play.

 

Can't wait to see his journey in hopes the final destination is a Championship before he heads to the NFL whenever that may be.

Edited 18 hours ago by DanielOnorato

[diegozanna20]

2 minutes ago, DanielOnorato said:

I agree. A few things I'd like to see out of Manning in these non con games is :

1) Two minute drill - If I were Sark I'd try my best get Arch an opportunity to hold onto the ball and score a touchdown without giving the opposing team an opportunity with any time left on the clock. Best if able to receive the second half snap and put together timely back to back scoring drives.

2) Pre snap adjustments - identifying Mike linebacker, lots of communication with his line and receivers, possibly even checking out of a call into something entirely different, especially in red zone.

3) Patience - I'm not saying sit on the ball and don't throw it if wingos in press man with no help over the top, but I'd like to see him allow routes and concepts develop more when applicable. The Ohio State seemingly dictated where Arch was going with the ball, with patience he can adequately and accurately decipher the appropriate lapse in coverage rather than taking what the defense wants him to have. He got lured in like a mouse to cheese and was caught in too many traps versus Ohio State.

4) Leadership - it was a tough environment but Arch looked like he was on rogue products after a night on 6th street. I'd like to see more vocal leadership and fire from him like we saw at times last year. It was a different animal when he could come in off the bench and go wild in limited snaps inspiring and motivating his teammates. How does he inspire and lead this group week to week, play to play. Each player leads differently, I'm excited to see his approach and growth leading this team before SEC play.

 

Can't wait to see his journey in hopes the final destination is a Championship before he heads to the NFL whenever that may be.

Last point is so important.
I think Coach Erwin talked about it and I completely agree... 
Arch was missing that swagger that makes him who he is on saturday.
He himself said that he plays his best ball when he's having fun, and I'm sure he wasn't on Saturday...
I think this really comes down to experience, being able to tap into that mode even on the road...

[jkates]

3 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

skiddishness

 

Edited 18 hours ago by jkates

[jkates]

13 minutes ago, CJ Vogel said:

I thought Chase Daniel's breakdown was great. 

It was worth watching. He finds some positives but doesn't sugarcoat the negatives. 

[Hookem72]

I want to see him have some touch on the short passes.   

[DanielOnorato]

3 minutes ago, jkates said:

 

That's why I use Von Lane.

[CJ Vogel]

27 minutes ago, DanielOnorato said:

That's why I use Von Lane.

LOVE that answer

[Ace_Rothstein]

5 hours ago, Stuey22 said:

That’s a manly throw.  Don’t think Patricia is getting enough credit for causing Arch issues.  That was a helluva game plan Arch was navigating without any tape history of him at OSU.  

Also a lot of Buckeye fans keep parroting “we were in prevent defense” the entire 4th quarter but that’s not what the tape says on the 4-5 dots Arch threw in the 4th. Each one was either a 1 on 1 win by the receiver or Arch fitting it into to a window or throwing it into a spot. 

The Livingstone td catch, Endries hole shot (shown in the video above), the Wingo seam route and the dropped td pass to Livingstone on 4th and goal (would have been a tough catch) were all dots. 

[thatdude2]

4 hours ago, diegozanna20 said:

I'd say to all the texas fans that still feel uneasy about the future of Arch to watch Chase Daniel's breakdown on youtube. 
Much less "apocalyptic" about how Arch played than other people who analysed his game.
Biggest problem was for sure the mechanics but he actually wasn't processing things as badly as people think, and we're talking about things that he probably never saw up until saturday... I'm telling you, a lot of people in the media nationally will backtrack as the season goes on and will be back on the hype train... (Not sure if that's good or bad)
Just need the game to slow down a bit, whether that was due to emotions, not being used to seeing the kinds of coverage he saw or maybe just wanting to be "superman" so badly that he ended up doing the opposite ( or all three) I don't know, but I really think he'll be fine.

This is the biggest improvement Arch needs to make these next 3 weeks go. How does he prepare himself to deal with his emotions before the game? Lowkey, he is now the underdog. 

[A-10HORN]

11 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

 

Wanted to share my final thoughts on Arch Manning ahead of the non-conference action over the next three weeks.

I think Arch Manning will be fine. The quickest way to elevate his game is to truly trust that offensive line which played admirably against Ohio State last Saturday.

Trust in the offensive line will do a few things:

1. Slow down the game, allowing Arch to read his keys instead of skipping chapters to find a check down.

2. Allow Arch to play comfortably within the pocket, cleaning up the mechanical issues we saw due to a sped up internal clock.

3. Provide opportunities for routes downfield to develop and come open downfield, something that happened on Saturday but was not given a chance as a result of some skiddishness. 

 

Three weeks to improve and as a betting man, the one thing I am not going to do is bet against Arch Manning. 

What is your opinion on Arch mannings arm strength?  Compare it to Quinn as an example and then someone like Lagway 

[Aspann85]

The main thing he has to do is find the open man and stop looking for the home run play. He started to get it in the 4th quarter. Hopefully he keeps on that trajectory.

[horns96]

Watched San Jose State vs CMU game. SJSU is terrible. Want to establish an “identity”? Run, run, and then get some more run reps.

Arch will be fine. 

He’ll get better looks in practice.

 

Edited 9 hours ago by horns96

[swoosh]

^^^ i REALLY HATE the idea of beating up on the lower-ranked (d1) institutions such as SJSU.  TEXAS should have taken care of business and BEAT ohio state.  i'm still upset regarding this loss.  however, it's par the course with SNAKE OIL sark...

[GDI]

3 hours ago, Aspann85 said:

The main thing he has to do is find the open man and stop looking for the home run play. He started to get it in the 4th quarter. Hopefully he keeps on that trajectory.

This is the right answer,  just complete more passes.

[diegozanna20]

4 hours ago, A-10HORN said:

What is your opinion on Arch mannings arm strength?  Compare it to Quinn as an example and then someone like Lagway 

Arch has no problem whatsover with arm strength... no he doesn't have a joe milton type of arm or even josh allen but he's gonna be fine...
He's got a stronger arm than burrow and even more arm talent, not to mention he's a better athlete.
With Arch the last thing we need to worry about is talent... If there's one thing that jumped out the tape saturday was that he's actually really raw and I'd advise against judging how his mechanics/footwork are just from the OSU game.
He's got the best supporting cast a QB could ask for and I can assure you they've been teaching and honing fundementals since before middleschool... his clock was just too sped up on saturda, he needs to get a lot more comfortable playing.

[diegozanna20]

Just now, diegozanna20 said:

Arch has no problem whatsover with arm strength... no he doesn't have a joe milton type of arm or even josh allen but he's gonna be fine...
He's got a stronger arm than burrow and even more arm talent, not to mention he's a better athlete.
With Arch the last thing we need to worry about is talent... If there's one thing that jumped out the tape saturday was that he's actually really raw and I'd advise against judging how his mechanics/footwork are just from the OSU game.
He's got the best supporting cast a QB could ask for and I can assure you they've been teaching and honing fundementals since before middleschool... his clock was just too sped up on saturda, he needs to get a lot more comfortable playing.

BTW the comparison to Burrow was just to point out that he's easily got all the tools necessary... don't worry about talent with Arch

[AusMOJO]

19 hours ago, CJ Vogel said:

Good stuff by Chase Daniel to breakdown the quarterback position this weekend.

Honestly with the day he had, to come back and throw some of the passes he did, shows he was starting to get into his own but unfortunately time ran out and he still made some bad throws towards the end. But as people much smarter and knowledgeable than me have said, there was some good mixed in with the bad.