49 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

I mean this is just wrong.  The blinders some of you people have

No, you are dead wrong. The scheme is getting people open. There are just people not doing their jobs.

The only thing you might have an argument with Sark on his his lack of flexibility in the play call. He should let Arch change the play when he sees the defense shift into an overload because he doesn't have enough blockers to handle it. If his routes are deep, then he's dead meat. The scheme is fine. Sark needs to tweak a few things to give the QB more flexibility to counter what he is seeing. 

Again, the main problem is his players not doing their jobs.

 

It's not the playcalling. It's the quarterback who doesn't throw to the open receiver. Arch needs to sit and try and get his mojo back. 

1 minute ago, Rockin TL said:

What about all the non passing plays or plays not featured there? That video is a glimpse of part of the issue, that video isn’t definitive proof it’s all arch. 
 

what is our best blocking scheme? Why do we jump around with blocking schemes within the confines of this offense? There is more to scheme than just passing downs. 

Imagine if Arch hit just half of those dozen or so plays Browne covered. 

1 hour ago, Rockin TL said:

People truly only want to focus on the Arch aspect of the offense, not this stuff.

Why is Wingo blocking a guy 4 yards off the ball and not the guy in front of him? I’m not blaming wingo but center gets blitzing middle linebacker and everyone else on left side of the line gets the guy in front and 2 the right. We need 2 yards. If arch keeps it then rb blocks the guy in front of wingo or runs to the flat taking him with him and arch has no one accounting for him. Need hat on hat. Who makes the blocking calls on that? Center? Arch isn’t helping from my understanding. 

20 minutes ago, mmdaytontexas said:

No, you are dead wrong. The scheme is getting people open. There are just people not doing their jobs.

The only thing you might have an argument with Sark on his his lack of flexibility in the play call. He should let Arch change the play when he sees the defense shift into an overload because he doesn't have enough blockers to handle it. If his routes are deep, then he's dead meat. The scheme is fine. Sark needs to tweak a few things to give the QB more flexibility to counter what he is seeing. 

Again, the main problem is his players not doing their jobs.

 

When you lie at least own up to it.  Remind me who the center was double teaming 

2 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

When you lie at least own up to it.  Remind me who the center was double teaming 

So people aren’t open? Thanks for the hot take. 

1 minute ago, Oldest Horn said:

So people aren’t open? Thanks for the hot take. 

Yup arch misses open guys.  Once again find where I said arch is blameless (you won’t).  
 

The core offensive scheme is broken.  And I say core very lightly because we don’t have a core scheme or identity.  

You people are killing me. When the offense is this bad, it's basically everyone's fault, but it ultimately falls on one person. The one who is not only the OC but also the head coach. Even if all of our problems were 100% tied to Arch, then the obvious question would be "Then why the hell is he still the quarterback?". 

1 hour ago, pinkman_90 said:

 

so who is the center double teaming again?

If this is a run, then both the right guard and the right tackle blew their assignment. They both should be blocking down on the player in their inside gap. 
 

Probably a bad play call as well, too many orange helmets to block and not enough white helmets.  

1 minute ago, Rockin TL said:

What about all the non passing plays or plays not featured there? That video is a glimpse of part of the issue, that video isn’t definitive proof it’s all arch. 

That video is absolute proof it's mostly on Arch, and the OL that is getting worse each game. Guys are open and no one is blocking well. That is not a scheme issue. Here is another film study that shows the busted assignments were the cause of this loss, and not scheme.

Again, the only thing that Sark can do is tweak his offense to give his QBs the ability to change plays when they see blitzes or overloads coming. But no scheme is going to work if players are busting assignments.

 

15 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

When you lie at least own up to it.  Remind me who the center was double teaming 

What lie? You are freaking delusional.

16 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

Yup arch misses open guys.  Once again find where I said arch is blameless (you won’t).  
 

The core offensive scheme is broken.  And I say core very lightly because we don’t have a core scheme or identity.  

He misses lots of open guys, ace. Which cost us first downs, touchdowns and positive yardage to sustain drives. If Arch only hit half of those misses (not much to ask) we would have won not only Saturday but probably against OU. 
 

We have no “scheme or identity” because our QB is not playing competently. Simple as that. 

16 minutes ago, mmdaytontexas said:

What lie? You are freaking delusional.

You asked for a play that was a scheme issue.  I showed you one.  You said no that’s actually a blown assignment from the center who double teamed with Sikorski.  I showed you made that up.  
 

 

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4 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

He misses lots of open guys, ace. Which cost us first downs, touchdowns and positive yardage to sustain drives. If Arch only hit half of those misses (not much to ask) we would have won not only Saturday but probably against OU. 
 

We have no “scheme or identity” because our QB is not playing competently. Simple as that. 

So what’s our scheme/identity?  Would you say “play action shots without a running game”?  

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Just now, pinkman_90 said:

So what’s our scheme?  Would you say “play action shots without a running game”?  

Our scheme is based on a QB operating in a competent manner. 
 

Is that too heavy a lift to expect for Arch? 

2 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

Our scheme is based on a QB operating in a competent manner. 
 

Is that too heavy a lift to expect for Arch? 

Ok so not a real conversation.  Have a good night 

Just now, Rockin TL said:

That’s not a scheme, that is expectations. What is our scheme and identity to fall back on when that doesn’t occur?

Isn’t it wild how our running game picked up once Arch started hitting passes against Oh St?

3 minutes ago, pinkman_90 said:

Ok so not a real conversation.  Have a good night 

Bye bye, pumpkin. 

31 minutes ago, mmdaytontexas said:

That video is absolute proof it's mostly on Arch, and the OL that is getting worse each game. Guys are open and no one is blocking well. That is not a scheme issue. Here is another film study that shows the busted assignments were the cause of this loss, and not scheme.

Again, the only thing that Sark can do is tweak his offense to give his QBs the ability to change plays when they see blitzes or overloads coming. But no scheme is going to work if players are busting assignments.

 

Counterpoint: 

 

 

Everyone blamed Quinn for the offensive woes and wanted Arch. Now everyone wants KJ. When is everyone going to hold the OC and position coaches accountable. There is a development issue on the offensive side of the ball. 

Just now, Joe D Villasenor said:

Everyone blamed Quinn for the offensive woes and wanted Arch. Now everyone wants KJ. When is everyone going to hold the OC and position coaches accountable. There is a development issue on the offensive side of the ball. 

I thought our offense under Quinn was very good when we had Brooks and Blue together. And remained competent even when Brooks got hurt and Baxter never getting back to full speed. 
 

The difference this year is Arch. 

2 minutes ago, Oldest Horn said:

I thought our offense under Quinn was very good when we had Brooks and Blue together. And remained competent even when Brooks got hurt and Baxter never getting back to full speed. 
 

The difference this year is Arch. 

I agree Arch is not playing well, but Quinn had a running game. The running game is non-existent. Sark even said Florida didn’t hit that many big runs but they end with 90 something yards rushing. He is not willing to take 3 yard runs, he is always measuring success by explosive plays. 

Idk why it’s such big debate and caused a fight but ALL points are right both Arch and Scheme wise.

When the OL does do their job and block well Arch is holding onto the ball too long and fails to read the field or check down to the wide open guy for a first. Let’s not forget he has thrown past the LOS 3 times this year which is an embarrassment for any 4th year QB to do. 

But the OL is a major issue in itself and these blitz’s aren’t getting checked properly which does fall on the QB/C combination which has been putrid communication and blocking wise. But at the same time Sark should know that the right side of the pocket can’t block and collapses more than the left side so Sark has gotta find a way to use the Left side of the field as the main source of movement. These constant runs to the right are killing us and haven’t worked all year.

Sark scheme is decent but not suited for the Talent level Arch is playing at right now as well so he as an HC should make that read and adjust accordingly but he hasn’t. 

Unfortunately this years issues have been a mix of all 3 OL, QB, and Sark being bad in tandem. Because some plays are schemed up super well but either the OL fails to block someone or Arch throws a meatball sub to a ghost.

A new QB could help mask these issues if he sees the field better, it’s proven to work at the highest of levels.

So I agree with all points bc guess what the ENTIRE operation is bad, and unfortunately Arch is the QB and a good QB play can help these things. But he has been terrible and that’s proven on tape. Like I said though at the same time Sark should have changed the playbook up for a bad OL that can’t block or do pulls and a QB who is just not a good football player rn

Just now, Joe D Villasenor said:

I agree Arch is not playing well, but Quinn had a running game. The running game is non-existent. Sark even said Florida didn’t hit that many big runs but they end with 90 something yards rushing. He is not willing to take 3 yard runs, he is always measuring success by explosive plays. 

Quinn didn’t have a running game after Brooks went down against TCU in 2023. And only a marginal one in 2024, yet we still went to the national semis. I’ll take failures like that all day long compared to the Arch era. 

1 minute ago, Shmatt said:

Idk why it’s such big debate and caused a fight but ALL points are right both Arch and Scheme wise.

When the OL does do their job and block well Arch is holding onto the ball too long and fails to read the field or check down to the wide open guy for a first. Let’s not forget he has thrown past the LOS 3 times this year which is an embarrassment for any 4th year QB to do. 

But the OL is a major issue in itself and these blitz’s aren’t getting checked properly which does fall on the QB/C combination which has been putrid communication and blocking wise. But at the same time Sark should know that the right side of the pocket can’t block and collapses more than the left side so Sark has gotta find a way to use the Left side of the field as the main source of movement. These constant runs to the right are killing us and haven’t worked all year.

Sark scheme is decent but not suited for the Talent level Arch is playing at right now as well so he as an HC should make that read and adjust accordingly but he hasn’t. 

Unfortunately this years issues have been a mix of all 3 OL, QB, and Sark being bad in tandem. Because some plays are schemed up super well but either the OL fails to block someone or Arch throws a meatball sub to a ghost.

A new QB could help mask these issues if he sees the field better, it’s proven to work at the highest of levels.

So I agree with all points bc guess what the ENTIRE operation is bad, and unfortunately Arch is the QB and a good QB play can help these things. But he has been terrible and that’s proven on tape. Like I said though at the same time Sark should have changed the playbook up for a bad OL that can’t block or do pulls and a QB who is just not a good football player rn

It’s looking like less and less of a coincidence that our running game found life after Arch started hitting passes against Oh St. And it happened in that order, not the other way around.