Orngblud05 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 This morning on C&F, You said he gave up one sack, which wasn’t his fault, so his draft grade would not be impacted by that. Not sure on his draft grade but the man Banks was responsible for sacked Quinn 3 times. The one Quinn didn’t step up in to the pocket that you referenced. One where he did step up and kind of stepped in to Banks man. And a 3rd where Mykel Williams got the strip sack in the 4th quarter. I said it Monday, and maybe I’m wrong, but the focused energy on Quinn’s poor performance isn’t entirely fair. Banks, 3 sacks. Wisners drop. Robersons hold(s). On and on. Quinn did not play great, but crosshairs on him isn’t entirely fair. I will say you backed off it a bit this morning after Sarks presser so that’s good on you 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasborn91 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 I’ll be just as ready as anyone to move on. It’s all been hashed out. Weaknesses are known. Let’s see them again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashtag Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 17 minutes ago, Orngblud05 said: This morning on C&F, You said he gave up one sack, which wasn’t his fault, so his draft grade would not be impacted by that. Not sure on his draft grade but the man Banks was responsible for sacked Quinn 3 times. The one Quinn didn’t step up in to the pocket that you referenced. One where he did step up and kind of stepped in to Banks man. And a 3rd where Mykel Williams got the strip sack in the 4th quarter. I said it Monday, and maybe I’m wrong, but the focused energy on Quinn’s poor performance isn’t entirely fair. Banks, 3 sacks. Wisners drop. Robersons hold(s). On and on. Quinn did not play great, but crosshairs on him isn’t entirely fair. I will say you backed off it a bit this morning after Sarks presser so that’s good on you That was the worst quarterbacked game since Hudson Card vs Arkansas. You don’t understand how sacks are attributed and that’s okay. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orngblud05 Posted October 22 Author Share Posted October 22 20 minutes ago, Hashtag said: That was the worst quarterbacked game since Hudson Card vs Arkansas. You don’t understand how sacks are attributed and that’s okay. Go watch the 4th quarter sack when 13 blows past banks causing the strip and tell me how that’s on Quinn you get no arguments from me on him playing poorly but I would strongly disagree that was as bad as Card. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horns96 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 How did PFF grade Banks and OL? Haven’t seen that posted in all the discussion of what unit was responsible for what… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orngblud05 Posted October 22 Author Share Posted October 22 C&F said they graded banks the highest player on the team. My point is not to justify Quinn’s bad performance, bc it was. More so that he is singularly bearing the brunt of the criticism which I do not think is fair at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 Such is the life of QB1. He also shouldn’t require people around him to be perfect so he can look competent. He had his opportunities on Saturday, he didn’t make good on most of them outside of the third quarter. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Burton Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 2 hours ago, Atticus said: Such is the life of QB1. He also shouldn’t require people around him to be perfect so he can look competent. He had his opportunities on Saturday, he didn’t make good on most of them outside of the third quarter. As much as anything, this is where I come out. In the SEC, QBs are going to have to perform with a dirty pocket. Quinn did not, not against OU or Georgia. But he did against Michigan. So which one is the real Quinn? Probably somewhere in the middle. Another important role of the QB is to not make bad situations worse. I felt like Quinn did not do a good job of that either. In all, there's blame to go around everywhere, including Kelvin Banks, including Quinn Ewers, including Sark. The offense did NOT execute well. That must change if Texas wants to make the CFP. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerky Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 The right side of the line had the bad PFF grades. Banks LT wasn't perfect but he did really well and got a high grade. Banks will be drafted very high for good reasons after going against elite edges and pass blocking very well for 3 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austalgia Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 (edited) 9 hours ago, horns96 said: How did PFF grade Banks and OL? Haven’t seen that posted in all the discussion of what unit was responsible for what… ( 83.4 )Good grade. He battled and gave NFL type time to the QB. I don’t think his grade suffers for that. Especially when facing another NFL talent. The one he gave up was the strip sack near the end of the game (that was Banks getting beat around the edge). The other two were self sack. Edited October 23 by Austalgia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskjace Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 83.4 grade from PFF in a game against that level of NFL talent and in a game where the offensive line gave up that many sacks shows just how solid Banks was in his assignments. And that those sacks were far more on the QB not stepping up or and holding onto the ball too long as opposed to Banks getting whipped. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horns96 Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 13 hours ago, Jerky said: The right side of the line had the bad PFF grades. Banks LT wasn't perfect but he did really well and got a high grade. Banks will be drafted very high for good reasons after going against elite edges and pass blocking very well for 3 years. Anyone have the PFF grades for rest of OL? They’re behind a paywall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators CJ Vogel Posted October 23 Moderators Share Posted October 23 On 10/22/2024 at 11:26 AM, horns96 said: How did PFF grade Banks and OL? Haven’t seen that posted in all the discussion of what unit was responsible for what… PFF grades vs. Georgia: LT Kelvin Banks: 81.7 pass block grade, 1 sack and 2 pressures allowed LG Hayden Conner: 79.4 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 2 pressures allowed C Jake Majors: 82.0 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 1 pressure allowed RG DJ Campbell: 84.5 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 0 pressures allowed (42 pass block reps) RG Cole Hutson: 45.8 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 2 pressures allowed (21 pass block reps) RT Cam Williams: 55.5 pass block grade, 1 sack and 5 pressures allowed 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HookEm Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 On 10/22/2024 at 10:21 AM, Orngblud05 said: This morning on C&F, You said he gave up one sack, which wasn’t his fault, so his draft grade would not be impacted by that. Not sure on his draft grade but the man Banks was responsible for sacked Quinn 3 times. The one Quinn didn’t step up in to the pocket that you referenced. One where he did step up and kind of stepped in to Banks man. And a 3rd where Mykel Williams got the strip sack in the 4th quarter. I said it Monday, and maybe I’m wrong, but the focused energy on Quinn’s poor performance isn’t entirely fair. Banks, 3 sacks. Wisners drop. Robersons hold(s). On and on. Quinn did not play great, but crosshairs on him isn’t entirely fair. I will say you backed off it a bit this morning after Sarks presser so that’s good on you You have been trying to beat this drum over and over. Anywhere you can. It is flat. Quinn needs the crosshairs. The things that need to be fixed are on Quinn, first and foremost. Banks rated out at 83.4 PFF against NFL caliber players. Quinn’s PFF 40.3. You can keep arguing, but it’s not facts. It’s feelings. The facts are Quinn has issues that have regressed since Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horns96 Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 27 minutes ago, CJ Vogel said: PFF grades vs. Georgia: LT Kelvin Banks: 81.7 pass block grade, 1 sack and 2 pressures allowed LG Hayden Conner: 79.4 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 2 pressures allowed C Jake Majors: 82.0 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 1 pressure allowed RG DJ Campbell: 84.5 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 0 pressures allowed (42 pass block reps) RG Cole Hutson: 45.8 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 2 pressures allowed (21 pass block reps) RT Cam Williams: 55.5 pass block grade, 1 sack and 5 pressures allowed Thanks, CJ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Handler Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 (edited) They know more than me but never understood where Bobby and Gerry think Cam is a hig draft pick this year, assuming its solely based on measurables because his tape and football IQ don't show it so far. Hope he picks it up or give Baker a shot, his penalties are really hurting drives, the one after the targetting call was killer on first down. last week. Edited October 23 by Derek Handler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Butler Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 2 hours ago, CJ Vogel said: PFF grades vs. Georgia: LT Kelvin Banks: 81.7 pass block grade, 1 sack and 2 pressures allowed LG Hayden Conner: 79.4 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 2 pressures allowed C Jake Majors: 82.0 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 1 pressure allowed RG DJ Campbell: 84.5 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 0 pressures allowed (42 pass block reps) RG Cole Hutson: 45.8 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 2 pressures allowed (21 pass block reps) RT Cam Williams: 55.5 pass block grade, 1 sack and 5 pressures allowed Where are the other 5 sacks and 16 QB pressures? Do the not count if the guys didn’t actually block them? I understand one was on a CB blitz but the other 6 looked like someone should’ve been responsible on the o-line… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watty7796 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 While not entirely on QE, the fact of the matter is if QE had stepped into a few of his throws in the first half, climbed in the pocket and completed the passes that were there, he wouldn't have stepped into nearly as much s**t he did the remainder of the game because GA wouldn't have had their ears pinned gunning for him...my humble opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnt Orange Horn Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 On 10/22/2024 at 7:42 PM, Jerky said: The right side of the line had the bad PFF grades. Banks LT wasn't perfect but he did really well and got a high grade. Banks will be drafted very high for good reasons after going against elite edges and pass blocking very well for 3 years. I thought Williams was the highest PFF graded OL? Campbell had some assignment problems and Hutson finished the game for him at RG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pack.swear Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 On 10/22/2024 at 11:01 AM, Orngblud05 said: Go watch the 4th quarter sack when 13 blows past banks causing the strip and tell me how that’s on Quinn you get no arguments from me on him playing poorly but I would strongly disagree that was as bad as Card. The strip-sack of Quinn by Mykel was avoidable if Quinn stepped up. It was avoidable, just like the Jalon Walker sack near the goalline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnt Orange Horn Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 4 minutes ago, pack.swear said: The strip-sack of Quinn by Mykel was avoidable if Quinn stepped up. It was avoidable, just like the Jalon Walker sack near the goalline. Everything is avoidable when one ignores past realities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerky Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 2 hours ago, Burnt Orange Horn said: I thought Williams was the highest PFF graded OL? Campbell had some assignment problems and Hutson finished the game for him at RG. I don't believe so. Read Overall PFF TX OL vs UGA Banks: 83.4 Conner: 67.5 Majors: 67.2 Campbell: 56.1 Williams: 51.1 From CJ Vogel pass blocking... PFF grades vs. Georgia: LT Kelvin Banks: 81.7 pass block grade, 1 sack and 2 pressures allowed LG Hayden Conner: 79.4 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 2 pressures allowed C Jake Majors: 82.0 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 1 pressure allowed RG DJ Campbell: 84.5 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 0 pressures allowed (42 pass block reps) RG Cole Hutson: 45.8 pass block grade, 0 sacks and 2 pressures allowed (21 pass block reps) RT Cam Williams: 55.5 pass block grade, 1 sack and 5 pressures allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watty7796 Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 I said it before and I will say it again as plainly as I possibly can. While not entirely Not on QE a lot of these issues were either directly on indirectly caused by Quinn. Self inflicted wounds. If Quinn had stepped up in the 1st and 2nd quarter and pushed the ball down the field, Texas isn't behind by 2 or 3 scores, thus GA is not in the position to pin their ears and blitz like they did. That is a bad position for both QE and the OL. Even more in depth the play calling didn't ever give the offense confidence or cadence either. There's a ton of blame to go around. As a QB tho it is incumbent on you to get everything going. That's where the game is played now. QE has all of the physical tools but the game is won and lost between the ears. He has to get past whatever is holding him back and get the job done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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