Hoops: Texas at Oklahoma Game Thread

[Born Burnt Orange]

That was incredibly tough to watch. I’m a little pissed off too because if we would’ve kept that 23 point weed then everyone would’ve left and I wouldn’t have traffic leaving the arena. Apparently they do this thing in the second half where they connect long balloons in the crowd all the way around the whole arena. That had the loudest chair of the whole night. 

[NothinButDaHorns34]

5 minutes ago, bierce said:

And you can't credit him for getting his team to come out strong and build that lead.  You just can't credit him for anything.

We won a road game against a team that is projected to make the tournament. 

We won a Q1 game.

Instead of celebrating it, you want to crap on it.

There is something seriously wrong with you.

Definitely give him credit for beating another 0-3 team in the SEC. Get back to me Saturday after Florida and we’ll see the sunshine you can pump out. 

[Jordan91]

2 minutes ago, Born Burnt Orange said:

That was incredibly tough to watch. I’m a little pissed off too because if we would’ve kept that 23 point weed then everyone would’ve left and I wouldn’t have traffic leaving the arena. Apparently they do this thing in the second half where they connect long balloons in the crowd all the way around the whole arena. That had the loudest chair of the whole night. 

I have never seen that before. Be careful in the traffic. 

[Born Burnt Orange]

1 minute ago, Jordan91 said:

I have never seen that before. Be careful in the traffic. 

Thanks, I have a 2 Hour Dr. back to Wichita Falls and somehow I have to be at work at seven in the morning. After oh you had a bunch of turnovers in the first half I told the guy sitting next to me. I didn’t realize Jackson Arnold played for the basketball team

[Jordan91]

1 minute ago, Born Burnt Orange said:

Thanks, I have a 2 Hour Dr. back to Wichita Falls and somehow I have to be at work at seven in the morning. After oh you had a bunch of turnovers in the first half I told the guy sitting next to me. I didn’t realize Jackson Arnold played for the basketball team

Man I am impressed. Got to work too, but don’t have to drive. Thanks for going and cheering for the team. 

[Wrong Link Gerry]

15 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

Genius the long throw to Mark for the layup is coaching. Sorry Texas won and ruined your day. Actually I am not. 

I know you’re the Texas basketball sunshine pumper on all the sites. But if you can’t see the issues with this team, and the coaching. That’s actually hilarious. 

[Born Burnt Orange]

3 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

Man I am impressed. Got to work too, but don’t have to drive. Thanks for going and cheering for the team. 

We’ll see, I might be calling in tomorrow

[bierce]

9 minutes ago, Wrong Link Gerry said:

I know you’re the Texas basketball sunshine pumper on all the sites. But if you can’t see the issues with this team, and the coaching. That’s actually hilarious. 

But I'm not.  I'm the guy who started "So...who do you want for the new basketball coach?" threads two years before Barnes was fired and two years before Smart was fired.

I posted in the first half of the Auburn game that I didn't see any offense to speak of and that I was of the opinion that Terry would be fired by the end of the year.

Now I'm not so sure.  This team is coming together.  This win alone won't get it to the tournament, but it is a starting point.  We have 10 more games left in the season that Pomeroy predicted to be wins or one possession losses.

How about we just root for wins?

[Wrong Link Gerry]

1 minute ago, bierce said:

But I'm not.  I'm the guy who started "So...who do you want for the new basketball coach?" threads two years before Barnes was fired and two years before Smart was fired.

I posted in the first half of the Auburn game that I didn't see any offense to speak of and that I was of the opinion that Terry would be fired by the end of the year.

Now I'm not so sure.  This team is coming together.  This win alone won't get it to the tournament, but it is a starting point.  We have 10 more games left in the season that Pomeroy predicted to be wins or one possession losses.

How about we just root for wins?

Well that wasn’t even directed towards you. It was to the one I quoted…

[bierce]

3 minutes ago, Wrong Link Gerry said:

Well that wasn’t even directed towards you. It was to the one I quoted…

Ahh.  You have my apologies.

But for those who do question my history of supposedly not questioning our basketball coaches, I started threads on 247sports about who we should hire after Barnes lost in Maui to Chaminade and Smart lost to Radford in Austin.  Both lasted 2 more seasons, and I cheered every win, even if I knew their time was coming.

I want this team to succeed, not because I want the coach to be vindicated but because it is my team.  Terry having success is just a side effect.

I'm not blind to team warts, nor am I without reservations about the play on the court and the lineups.

I would like to see more action away from the ball to get guys open for easy shots.  I would like to see more passing and less ball pounding.

I'd like to see Vinson and Codie get some PT.  Kent finally got some rebounds for us, but I'm still wondering how Vinson and Codie can't do more than Kent and Onyema have in conference play.

Mostly, I'd like to see wins.  Pomeroy now says we are favored to win or will be in a one possession loss in 11 of our remaining games.  The outcome of this season is still very much in question.

And we have had all of our top 8 players available in only 2 or 3 games so far.  Weaver is one serious bad-a** rebounder and defender, and he is very under-rated on offense.  His ft went south this year, but he is a monster at attacking the paint and is a credible perimeter threat.

If Texas is healthy in March, then it will be a team no one will hope to draw in an early round in the tournament.  I hope we can make it there.  I think we have to win 9 more games to feel secure of our chances, and getting there is far from certain, but I hope we get there.

 

[texcoyote15]

Good win. Any win on the road in the SEC is a good win. 

[AusMOJO]

Well, I'll take the win. Got a bit dicey there in the 2nd half, but Coach Terry got them over the line. Still got a lot to clean up, but going on the road and against OU, getting the win and sticking it to your rival? I'll take that, lol.

Got some tough sledding ahead, we'll see how the boys respond. 

[alrightalrightalright]

Sixth straight W in Norman!! 🤘🏽

[alrightalrightalright]

We’ve earned a SEC win in Football and Basketball now before OU. Let’s get it done in Baseball too

[closetojumping]

6 hours ago, bierce said:

Ahh.  You have my apologies.

But for those who do question my history of supposedly not questioning our basketball coaches, I started threads on 247sports about who we should hire after Barnes lost in Maui to Chaminade and Smart lost to Radford in Austin.  Both lasted 2 more seasons, and I cheered every win, even if I knew their time was coming.

I want this team to succeed, not because I want the coach to be vindicated but because it is my team.  Terry having success is just a side effect.

I'm not blind to team warts, nor am I without reservations about the play on the court and the lineups.

I would like to see more action away from the ball to get guys open for easy shots.  I would like to see more passing and less ball pounding.

I'd like to see Vinson and Codie get some PT.  Kent finally got some rebounds for us, but I'm still wondering how Vinson and Codie can't do more than Kent and Onyema have in conference play.

Mostly, I'd like to see wins.  Pomeroy now says we are favored to win or will be in a one possession loss in 11 of our remaining games.  The outcome of this season is still very much in question.

And we have had all of our top 8 players available in only 2 or 3 games so far.  Weaver is one serious bad-a** rebounder and defender, and he is very under-rated on offense.  His ft went south this year, but he is a monster at attacking the paint and is a credible perimeter threat.

If Texas is healthy in March, then it will be a team no one will hope to draw in an early round in the tournament.  I hope we can make it there.  I think we have to win 9 more games to feel secure of our chances, and getting there is far from certain, but I hope we get there.

 

You think 10-8 is the minimum for Texas to get in? I’ve read that 7-11 might do it given this league, but you follow more closely than I do. Not getting in at 9-9 or even 8-10 seems kind of crazy to me. 

2 hours ago, texcoyote15 said:

Good win. Any win on the road in the SEC is a good win. 

It was OU. Happy for the win and all but “in the SEC” is a silly trope when it is simply Texas playing OU. 

[MarkInAustin]

6 hours ago, bierce said:

Ahh.  You have my apologies.

But for those who do question my history of supposedly not questioning our basketball coaches, I started threads on 247sports about who we should hire after Barnes lost in Maui to Chaminade and Smart lost to Radford in Austin.  Both lasted 2 more seasons, and I cheered every win, even if I knew their time was coming.

I want this team to succeed, not because I want the coach to be vindicated but because it is my team.  Terry having success is just a side effect.

I'm not blind to team warts, nor am I without reservations about the play on the court and the lineups.

I would like to see more action away from the ball to get guys open for easy shots.  I would like to see more passing and less ball pounding.

I'd like to see Vinson and Codie get some PT.  Kent finally got some rebounds for us, but I'm still wondering how Vinson and Codie can't do more than Kent and Onyema have in conference play.

Mostly, I'd like to see wins.  Pomeroy now says we are favored to win or will be in a one possession loss in 11 of our remaining games.  The outcome of this season is still very much in question.

And we have had all of our top 8 players available in only 2 or 3 games so far.  Weaver is one serious bad-a** rebounder and defender, and he is very under-rated on offense.  His ft went south this year, but he is a monster at attacking the paint and is a credible perimeter threat.

If Texas is healthy in March, then it will be a team no one will hope to draw in an early round in the tournament.  I hope we can make it there.  I think we have to win 9 more games to feel secure of our chances, and getting there is far from certain, but I hope we get there.

 

This was well written and mirrors most of my own views, even as to the timing of losing trust in Rick. 

I add these thoughts: I did not enjoy watching Shaka's teams play almost nightly, and I attended as many as ten games a season during those years.  He never instituted the Havoc associated with his coaching style previously.

Many here do not realize what was apparent from watching live - that RT allowing his inherited team to run made them better than they were under Beard.  RT has had to be in building mode as Beard's once unique reliance on transfers is no longer singular.  Everyone does it.

I want Texas to win every game.  I will want to replace RT when an opportunity comes along for a promising young coach - who doesn't turn out to be Shaka.  That experience should be a lesson in the vagaries of coach picking.  Meanwhile, we have a coach who is a winner when his players actually play together, which they show some signs of doing.  His teams seem to like him and his staff can recruit well, given a bit of NIL support.

And I do get the sense that some want Texas to lose games so that RT will be forced out. When he took last year's team to the second round with no NBA prospects on the squad he was still skewered.  That is what I find discouraging on these boards.

[bierce]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

You think 10-8 is the minimum for Texas to get in? I’ve read that 7-11 might do it given this league, but you follow more closely than I do. Not getting in at 9-9 or even 8-10 seems kind of crazy to me. 

It was OU. Happy for the win and all but “in the SEC” is a silly trope when it is simply Texas playing OU. 

I think I was suggesting 9-9 with a conference tournament win to feel comfortable.  We can win 8 more regular season games but pick up only 2 more q1 wins in doing so.  3-11 in q1 games with only one win against a team earning an at large bid won't impress anyone.  Of course, we could beat A&M, Kentucky, Missouri, and Georgia in Austin, and Misery and Jawjah might finish in the top 30, and So Car and LSU might stay better than 76th, giving us q1 shots in those road games.  If we get to 6 q1 wins, then we're looking pretty good.

But I'm not letting last night define the season, and I certainly don't think the team is, either.  Oklahoma is a bubble team at best right now.  We have a few games left against tourney certs (Florida, Alabama, Kentucky, A&M), acouple of road games against near certs (Miss, Miss State), and a slew of games left against bubble teams (Arky, Georgia, Missouri, Vandy, and OU again). 

This season can go either way at this point.  Getting Weaver healthy and our top 8 finally on the court for a long stretch of games could really help.

[bierce]

BTW, the SEC tournament is structured with first round between teams 9-16, second round with first round winners against teams 5-8, and top 4 teams getting double byes.

A team finishing at 9-9 has a very good chance to wind up in a first round game of little value as a win but a back breaker of a loss for a bubble team.

It could even wind up facing Vandy in that game.  In Nashville.  Different arena, but still in Nashville.

[Jordan91]

9 hours ago, Wrong Link Gerry said:

I know you’re the Texas basketball sunshine pumper on all the sites. But if you can’t see the issues with this team, and the coaching. That’s actually hilarious. 

I have stated I don’t like RT’s statements. He recently said they are improving during losses and that sometimes happens during seasons. No you need to win. It is possible to have a team with a lot of losses because of chemistry issues and then gelling at the end. I don’t think that’s this team. I didn’t like their cupcake non conference schedule and said as much. They have no true point guard and virtually nothing to speak of at the four and five position, which I pointed out repeatedly. I said at the end of the portal they needed one more big man. When Kent got hurt, I literally said on this site, Terry doesn’t get a pass for that. Somebody immediately told me to grow up. I have been critical on all sites I am a part of, you just need to go find those posts. Which tells me you haven’t looked at everything l have said. I criticized their free throw issues last night. I criticized Tre for two baseline drives where he dribbled baseline and threw the ball into the crowded paint causing two turnovers. I criticized Shed for fouling on the offensive end giving OU two free throws. None of that is sunshine pumping. 

[Jordan91]

9 hours ago, Wrong Link Gerry said:

Well that wasn’t even directed towards you. It was to the one I quoted…

I responded to it. 

[Jordan91]

10 hours ago, Matthew Toming said:

Turnovers in late game situations is 100% on coaching 

I apologize for my sarcastic response last night. I will give you two examples of why your statement is wrong. Let’s say Tre drives to the rim and slips on a wet spot on the court. That’s a travel that’s not RT’s fault. Let’s say Tre drives baseline and dunks. Ref says it’s not good because he stepped on the baseline. Replays show he did not touch the baseline. Not only are those two turnovers in a late game situation that are not the coaches fault, they are not the players fault either. 

[Inspired73]

There will always be haters.  There will always be it's the coach's fault.........side note: yesterday I went to my favorite men's store.  The salesman knows I am all orange.  He says, "You guys need a new coach! Terrible play call at the end.".  I replied that " no we just need the right tackle to make a routine block for the number 3 team in the country.".................... So I am agreeing with Jorday91.

Pashion is great.  But if I wanted to immerse myself in finger pointing criticism, I would read the Austin American or any of the other Texas InfoSites.

Let's let evaluate RT at the end of the year.  If he doesn't meet expectations, I am confident management will make a move.

 

 

[bierce]

The tournament is a long, long way away, and we have a lot of work to do to make it, but I'll add one more point now to the discussion about making the tournament.

We have 7 absolutely worthless q4 wins.  If we finish 8-10 in conference and 19-12 overall, we would still be at best only 12-12 in q1-q3 games, and that requires New Mexico State (currently on a roll, having just crushed La Tech at home and UTEP on the road) to maintain its level of play.   NMSU is currently safely nestled at 124 in Pomeroy and NCAA Net 130.  If it falls to 161 or worse, then that becomes another q4 win.   

But a lot of people think the committee will refuse to give an at large bid to a team with a sub .500 record in q1-q3 games.  I think some allowance might be made for a team that goes something like 0-7 against the top fifteen and 12-6 against teams ranked16-60.   But I won't feel comfortable about our tournament chances unless we are 9-9 with a conference tournament win or 8-10 with two conference tournament wins. 

[TexasMDcoach]

Glad I went to bed when we were way up. Out of sight out of mind.

[Jordan91]

2 hours ago, Inspired73 said:

There will always be haters.  There will always be it's the coach's fault.........side note: yesterday I went to my favorite men's store.  The salesman knows I am all orange.  He says, "You guys need a new coach! Terrible play call at the end.".  I replied that " no we just need the right tackle to make a routine block for the number 3 team in the country.".................... So I am agreeing with Jorday91.

Pashion is great.  But if I wanted to immerse myself in finger pointing criticism, I would read the Austin American or any of the other Texas InfoSites.

Let's let evaluate RT at the end of the year.  If he doesn't meet expectations, I am confident management will make a move.

 

 

Bob in Houston says it best. Let it play out. If it’s time to make a change we will all know it. It’s the non stop shade people seem to throw at Terry whether he wins or loses that I don’t get. They offered him the job and he took it. We keep pointing to other coaches that can do the job. We never even consider if they want the job. Right now I am more concerned with what seems to be a lack of emphasis on being a great basketball program. We are paying high prices to go to games, knowing the dollars are not there to have what we want. So I am taking it a game at a time looking for improvement.