Hoops: College coaching carousel 2025

[cmk4pres]

Just hire Ivey or Miller and be done with it. This is pathetic 

[Gerry Hamilton]

14 minutes ago, Assistant Regional Manager said:

Will Wade and Chris Jans would be no-brainers in my mind, but both carry baggage that make me doubt if they would ever be considered here. 

I'll be very surprised if Will Wade is the choice. 

[Bevo92]

1 hour ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

I actually really like the idea of Royal Ivey …  he would just have to have the correct staff around him with zero college recruiting experience.

But NBA offensive mind, guys would play hard for him and the job would mean everything to him. 

But it would require thinking outside the box. 

The Rockets brass believes he’s likely an NBA head coach somewhere in two years. If he’s on the track … I would likely go that route if I were Ivey. 

If we can’t get proven home-run like Oates, I like the idea of Royal Ivey as our next HC a lot.   It’s definitely out of the box.   Big upgrade over current situation.  
 

With Ivey, it would be building for long-term.    Proven to be excellent coach, players would love him.   The fan base and donors would quickly get behind Ivey as momentum turns for the better. 

[TexasFanatic]

3 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Texas can get someone of that caliber … money and financial commitment to program talks a lot 

Texas would just have to come over the top of whatever the school the coach is currently at with a huge financial commitment 

But Texas has never made that level of commitment in hoops 

Beard was making 5.1M and getting a good NIL pool. (Bigger than Terrys)

CDC loves basketball and Texas is printing money right now. 

He has surprised with every hire and all are paid within the top 5. (Or close to it)

Edited 5 hours ago by TexasFanatic

[bierce]

9 hours ago, bierce said:

I have a question for the board.

Which P5 programs made the best hires in the last 7-8 years?

I've gotten a few good answers to this question, but I'll give you my list

UConn, Alabama, Arizona, Duke, ISU, and Florida hiring:

Hurley, Oats, Lloyd, Scheyer, Otzelberger, and Golden

I don't think it is too early to put Scheyer on the list.  He had to work with a rebuilt roster in year one at Duke, and this year's team starts three freshman, a transfer, and a junior who never played for Shuh.  Yes, he inherited a recruiting network, but he was a large part of that network for years. 

May might make the list soon, but I think it is too soon to make the call on him.

None of these guys had any P5 head coaching experience at the time UConn, Alabama, Arizona, Duke, ISU,and Florida (and Michigan) hired them.  Tommy Lloyd was the oldest of the bunch at 46. 

There have been other good hires like Cronin and Buzz, but I don't think they are quite the success the guys on my list are proving to be. 

Some mid-major hires flopped.  Smart changed his identity and was snake-bit here but is doing well at Marquette now.  Prohm was a disaster at ISU.  Holtmann went the wrong way in year 5.  Moser is on the verge of his 4th straight year without a tournament appearance. 

I don't have any input with CDC.  I'm just a guy who watches a ton of basketball.

But I think the lesson here is that great coaches are there at the lower level.  A smart AD will find one and get him full support. 

I'll support the team no matter who we hire (short of Dave Bliss), but I will always think we should go with a young guy who is brilliant at strategies and tactics.  

Edited 5 hours ago by bierce

[TexasLonghorns]

2 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

I agree Texas can do it … but the brass will have to make a level of financial commitment they never have in hoops 

With salary escalation… it will take 6.5-7 mill a year, larger salary pool than ever at Texas, larger NIL commitment in men’s hoops, plus the coach buyout, etc…

Plus the RT and staff buyout 

Thats a level of financial commitment Texas has never gone to in hoops 

 

Kansas is paying their football coach 7 million a year. Paying their basketball coach 10+ million a year.  Texas can’t match what Kansas is paying in the big 2 sports? 

[texcoyote15]

8 minutes ago, bierce said:

I've gotten a few good answers to this question, but I'll give you my list

UConn, Alabama, Arizona, Duke, ISU, and Florida hiring:

Hurley, Oats, Lloyd, Scheyer, Otzelberger, and Golden

I don't think it is too early to put Scheyer on the list.  He had to work with a rebuilt roster in year one at Duke, and this year's team starts three freshman, a transfer, and a junior who never played for Shuh.  Yes, he inherited a recruiting network, but he was a large part of that network for years. 

May might make the list soon, but I think it is too soon to make the call on him.

None of these guys had any P5 head coaching experience at the time UConn, Alabama, Arizona, Duke, ISU,and Florida (and Michigan) hired them.  Tommy Lloyd was the oldest of the bunch at 46. 

There have been other good hires like Cronin and Buzz, but I don't think they are quite the success the guys on my list are proving to be. 

Some mid-major hires flopped.  Smart changed his identity and was snake-bit here but is doing well at Marquette now.  Prohm was a disaster at ISU.  Holtmann went the wrong way in year 5.  Moser is on the verge of his 4th straight year without a tournament appearance. 

I don't have any input with CDC.  I'm just a guy who watches a ton of basketball.

But I think the lesson here is that great coaches are there at the lower level.  A smart AD will find one and get him full support. 

I'll support the team no matter who we hire (short of Dave Bliss), but I will always think we should go with a young guy who is brilliant at strategies and tactics.  

What do you think about Todd Golden at Florida?

[bierce]

Just now, texcoyote15 said:

What do you think about Todd Golden at Florida?

I think he's staying put at a school that totally had his back when Title IX investigations were pending against him and a staff member.

[qaertyisthatdude]

14 minutes ago, TexasFanatic said:

Beard was making 5.1M and getting a good NIL pool. (Bigger than Terrys)

CDC loves basketball and Texas is printing money right now. 

He has surprised with every hire and all are paid within the top 5. (Or close to it)

The Rodney Terry hire didn’t look like a typical CDC hire.  It’s not the way CDC goes about hiring HCs for Texas athletics.  CDC talked about how he goes about hiring coaches in his interview with Bobby yesterday.  The Terry hire imo was not a CDC call.  This hire was made by his boss at the time Hartzell and the higher ups.  I understand why the hire was made and I was on board with it initially with the caveat that as long as Texas didn’t break the bank on Terry, they could move on from him in 2-3 years if it doesn’t work out.  And here we are.

Edited 5 hours ago by qaertyisthatdude

[Hashtag]

2 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

And he’s at a better job too … which will pay big to keep him 

Was Florida a better Job before Donovan? 

[sarcher93]

1 hour ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

I'll be very surprised if Will Wade is the choice. 

Why? There is smoke.

[CoachBobbyFinstock]

2 hours ago, cmk4pres said:

Just hire Ivey or Miller and be done with it. This is pathetic 

CDC will do better than that imo. 

[CoachBobbyFinstock]

1 hour ago, TexasFanatic said:

Beard was making 5.1M and getting a good NIL pool. (Bigger than Terrys)

CDC loves basketball and Texas is printing money right now. 

He has surprised with every hire and all are paid within the top 5. (Or close to it)

Good post. People should be looking at this more. CDC is the guy now. Quit looking at what Texas has done before him. CDC did go after one of the best coaches and paid him like it. He will do this again. 
 

The Texas won’t commit thing doesn’t compute with me while CDC is AD. 
 

CDC is at his best lurking in the shadows being stealth. He will make a move and get it done. I’m calling this now. 

[Jordan91]

5 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

A lot of Texas fans will say go hire Nate Oates … 

1. I’m sure there will be a feeler

2. Nate Oates may be at a better job long term for him 

3. Getting a Nate Oates level coach would be a basketball investment Texas has never made.

It would take a 10 million buyout of Oates, plus 7.5-8 mill a year, plus a larger assistant pool that now.

Plus a likely 5-6 million commitment in NIL 

And You have RT and staff’s buyout on top of it. 

Texas has never made that level investment in hoops.

If Texas decided to make that type of investment… then the head coaching pool of candidates looks totally different 

 

 

Finally, I seriously doubt this stops the lunacy candidates listed. 

[Gerry Hamilton]

2 hours ago, Hashtag said:

Was Florida a better Job before Donovan? 

Lon Kruger got Florida going (FF in 1994). He didn't have sustained success, but he showed what it could become. 

Then UF made a young unicorn hire and won the 2 NC's and played in 3 NC games. 

So they have been to 5 Final Four's since 1994. 

[bierce]

3 minutes ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Lon Kruger got Florida going (FF in 1994). He didn't have sustained success, but he showed what it could become. 

Then UF made a young unicorn hire and won the 2 NC's and played in 3 NC games. 

So they have been to 5 Final Four's since 1994. 

And they canned Michael White because he didn't keep the program at Donovan's level, but instead of giving up on the idea of young coaches from mid-majors, they went back to that well a third time for Todd Golden. 

I still say Murray, McCollum, Wade, or Pitino is the way to go here. 

Hey, maybe even Eric Olen of UC San Diego.  Not happening, I know.

Edited 2 hours ago by bierce

[Gerry Hamilton]

Just now, bierce said:

And they canned Michael White because he didn't keep the program at Donovan's level, but instead of giving up on the idea of young coaches from mid-majors, they went back to that well a third time for Todd Golden. 

Yep. And now have a guy that eventually will get the 6th Final Four ... who knows maybe this year.

If they keep him 7-8 more years, they may get a couple of FF's out of him. 

[Jordan91]

1 minute ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Yep. And now have a guy that eventually will get the 6th Final Four ... who knows maybe this year.

If they keep him 7-8 more years, they may get a couple of FF's out of him. 

Gerry based of your Nate Oats comments Texas needs somebody passionate about the school (taking a lower salary), and somebody very good at identifying players that can do more for the team at a lower price. 

[Jordan91]

1 hour ago, CoachBobbyFinstock said:

Good post. People should be looking at this more. CDC is the guy now. Quit looking at what Texas has done before him. CDC did go after one of the best coaches and paid him like it. He will do this again. 
 

The Texas won’t commit thing doesn’t compute with me while CDC is AD. 
 

CDC is at his best lurking in the shadows being stealth. He will make a move and get it done. I’m calling this now. 

Hope you are right but the Nate Oats comments by Gerry suggest otherwise. 

[Jordan91]

4 hours ago, Bevo92 said:

If we can’t get proven home-run like Oates, I like the idea of Royal Ivey as our next HC a lot.   It’s definitely out of the box.   Big upgrade over current situation.  
 

With Ivey, it would be building for long-term.    Proven to be excellent coach, players would love him.   The fan base and donors would quickly get behind Ivey as momentum turns for the better. 

Problem is they took a risk with Terry, do they take another risk? NBA to college almost never works. However, he’s passionate about the school (Will take less money), would most likely unite everybody ( how long is the question) and can talk to any kid wanting to get to the league with credibility. He’s played and coached in the NBA. I worry about his lack of connections with Texas high schools though. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Jordan91

[Jordan91]

6 hours ago, qaertyisthatdude said:

If Texas somehow got Nate Oats, build CDC a statue in Austin ASAP.

Completely agree!

[Jordan91]

3 hours ago, TexasLonghorns said:

Kansas is paying their football coach 7 million a year. Paying their basketball coach 10+ million a year.  Texas can’t match what Kansas is paying in the big 2 sports? 

You do realize Kansas spent millions in the portal last year. They are about to drop out of the top 25. Two of their “best” recruits average six points a piece. 

[Hashtag]

Before 1999 UCONN wasn't much in terms of basketball. All it takes is the right coach IMO.

[Jordan91]

3 hours ago, bierce said:

I've gotten a few good answers to this question, but I'll give you my list

UConn, Alabama, Arizona, Duke, ISU, and Florida hiring:

Hurley, Oats, Lloyd, Scheyer, Otzelberger, and Golden

I don't think it is too early to put Scheyer on the list.  He had to work with a rebuilt roster in year one at Duke, and this year's team starts three freshman, a transfer, and a junior who never played for Shuh.  Yes, he inherited a recruiting network, but he was a large part of that network for years. 

May might make the list soon, but I think it is too soon to make the call on him.

None of these guys had any P5 head coaching experience at the time UConn, Alabama, Arizona, Duke, ISU,and Florida (and Michigan) hired them.  Tommy Lloyd was the oldest of the bunch at 46. 

There have been other good hires like Cronin and Buzz, but I don't think they are quite the success the guys on my list are proving to be. 

Some mid-major hires flopped.  Smart changed his identity and was snake-bit here but is doing well at Marquette now.  Prohm was a disaster at ISU.  Holtmann went the wrong way in year 5.  Moser is on the verge of his 4th straight year without a tournament appearance. 

I don't have any input with CDC.  I'm just a guy who watches a ton of basketball.

But I think the lesson here is that great coaches are there at the lower level.  A smart AD will find one and get him full support. 

I'll support the team no matter who we hire (short of Dave Bliss), but I will always think we should go with a young guy who is brilliant at strategies and tactics.  

Finally, I actually do have a floor. I am a supporter whoever it is, but I stop at Bliss as well. Even if he coached for free. 

[TexasLonghorns]

11 minutes ago, Jordan91 said:

You do realize Kansas spent millions in the portal last year. They are about to drop out of the top 25. Two of their “best” recruits average six points a piece. 

NIL allocation and coaching salaries have nothing to do with one another. In regards to Kansas and their NIL use/roster construction, Self and staff have obviously struggled as of late with that. That has nothing to do with them paying their football coach 7 million and basketball coach 10.5 million. If they can afford to spend that kind of money, I’d like to believe Texas can pony up 7ish for a basketball coach.